How many resurrections are there?

[iamlamad]

14 minutes ago, TMarcum said:

No, I am Amillennialism, but I use the term "a thousand years" as written in the text to discuss the events in Revelation 20.

There is no 1000 year period after the 2nd coming of Christ. The term "a thousand years" is a term, which is figurative language pertaining to the span of time ranging from the resurrection of Christ from the tomb until the time Satan is loose from the pit. You miss interpret Rev 20:1-6, since this is only belief you know.

The whole bible supports this, and gives no reverences to a period after the 2nd coming of Christ.

There is no 1000 year period after the 2nd coming of Christ.

² And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

 

³ And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

⁵ But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

⁷ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

John tells us 6 times there WILL BE a thousand years. RM, I am going with John here. You are not only disagreeing with John, but disagreeing with the Holy Spirit that caused John to write.

If one does a little research:

 

“It was declared in the academy or rather Elijah’s house, that the world is to subsist six thousand years, and then for one thousand it is to remain waste…”

Ancient Jewish sage wrote: "God created in 6 days and rested on the 7^th: “The meaning of this, that in six thousand years the Lord Go0d will bring all things to an end. And what is that he saith “and he rested the seventh day?” He meaneth this: that when his Son shall come, and abolish the season of the wicked one, and judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the stars, then He shall gloriously rest in that seventh day.”

From the talmud: “R. Katina said, “Six thousand years the world will exist and one [thousand, the seventh], it shall be desolate (haruv), as it is written, ‘And the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day’ (Isa. 2:11)... R. Katina also taught, “Just as the seventh year is the Shmita year, so too does the world have one thousand years out of seven that are fallow (mushmat)”

 Zohar VaYera  119a Ramban on Genesis 2:3 maintain that the 7 days of creation correspond to the seven millennia of the existence of natural creation. The tradition teaches thath the seventh day of the week, Shabbat or the day of rest, corresponds to the Great Shabbat, the seventh Millennium (years 6000 – 7000)

 From the web:  "For example, in the apocryphal book of 2 Enoch (32:2-33:2), written by an Alexandrian Jew in the first century A.D., the world exists for a total of seven days of a thousand years each, and the Lord decrees that the seventh constitutes a penultimate sabbath, to be followed by the endless eighth day of eternal bliss. No Messiah is integrated into this millennial picture, but the implicit use of the canonical theme that “a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday” (Ps. 90:4), with the consequent specification of a future era of explicitly millennial dimensions, is noteworthy."

5 J. W. Montgomery, “Millennium,” The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Geoffrey W. Bromiley, ed. (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1986), 3:357. R. H. Charles, The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1913), 451, translates this passage as follows: “And I blessed the seventh day, which is the Sabbath, on which he rested from all his works. God shows Enoch the age of this world, its existence of seven thousand years, and the eighth thousand is the end, neither years, nor months, nor weeks, nor days. And I appointed the eighth day also, that the eighth day should be the first-created after my work, and that the first seven revolve in the form of the seventh thousand, and that at the beginning of the eighth thousand there should be a time of not-counting, endless, with neither years nor months nor weeks nor days nor hours.”

Irenaeus Against Heresies:

“a summing up of the whole of that apostasy which has taken place during six thousand years.

3. For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: "Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works."(6) This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years;(7) and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year. “

 

 

[iamlamad]

32 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, TMarcum.

No! You must spin a LOT of prophecy to deny the 1,000 years of Yeshua`s reign! Quit resorting to allegorical thinking. It'll bite you every time! If you have to say, "This means that," you're on the WRONG TRACK!

The correct way to interpret Scripture is to use the grammatical, historical method of interpretation. It's not precisely a "literal method," as some claim, but it does interpret the Scriptures most often literally. If the Scriptures are talking about history, past or FUTURE, accept these Scriptures as accurate about that history! And, get back to the grammar of the Scriptures! I'm talking about learning the GRAMMAR of Hebrew and Greek, not just the vocabulary! If you don't know it, use something like BibleHub.com! It will give you much of the grammar, even if you don't understand it!

You can't whitewash the prophecies of the TANAKH (the Jewish Scriptures, the OT) and say that they somehow apply rather to the Church and Christianity! God is working THROUGH the Christians today to restore His nation Israel! We are to be the MEANS for them to return to YHWH! That's what Romans 9-11 is all about!

Romans 11:11-32 (KJV)

11 I say then, Have they (the children of Israel) stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? (RESURRECTION!) 16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou (Gentile), being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then,

"The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in."

20 Well (Okay); because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written,

"There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:"

27 "For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' (the patriarchs') sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance! (God does not renege on His gifts and calling!) 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

God is NOT going to change His mind about having His Messiah reign over Israel and Jerusalem!

He is NOT going to undo His prophecy and re-write it for Gentile Christians!

We are NOT currently in the reign of Christ (the Greek word for Messiah)! We are looking for the Messiah's Return because it is THEN that He will begin His reign (Luke 19; Matthew 25), and He will reign from His ancestor David's throne IN ISRAEL! IN JERUSALEM!

LISTEN AGAIN TO GABRIEL'S WORDS!

Luke 1:30-33 (KJV)

 30 And the angel said unto her,

"Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob FOR EVER; and of his kingdom THERE SHALL BE NO END."

It's not just a "literal 1,000-year reign"; it shall be a literal ETERNAL reign! Not in "Heaven," as FAR TOO MANY "Christians" believe, but it will be a PHYSICAL, LITERAL, EARTHLY, SOLID, CONCRETE REIGN RIGHT HERE on this planet after it has been "renovated!" But, it STARTS while haSatan is imprisoned in the bottomless (unsounded) pit for that first 1,000 years that are STILL TO COME!

Good post Retrobyter.

[TMarcum]

1 hour ago, luigi said:

I agree that much of Zechariah 14 is prophesy regarding the battle of the great day of the Lord Almighty, which correlates with the events in Revelation 16:14. However, as the battle of the great day of the Lord Almighty is Armageddon in Revelation 16:15; I then do not see how you cannot see the time frame after Armageddon not representing the millennium reign.

The actual battle of Armageddon is being fought in (Rev 19:1-21). The time frame after (Rev 19:21) is a continuation picking up again in (Rev 20:8) with the destruction of the dragon. Remember in (Rev 16:13-14), there were 3 evil spirits that went out of the dragon, beast, and FP, to gather kings of the earth and "the whole world" to the battle of Armageddon. The dragon is with the beast and FP during the gathering of kings. The dragon is still being seen gathering nations in Rev 20:8 and is seen being destroyed in Rev 20:10. Just as the beast and FP were destroyed in Rev 19:20.

There is no 1000 year period, as some interpret (Rev 20:1-6). This section of scripture is a recapitulation of the history of the dragon and relationship with the martyred saints. You see recapitulations of history all throughout the book of Revelation. In (Rev 12:1-7) is a recapitulation of the history of the dragon seen trying to kill Jesus before his time. Then in Rev 12:8, the timeline continues. The same thing in (Rev 11:1-2) leads into the 42 months that the gentiles will trodden under foot the holy city, then their is a recapitulation in (Rev 11:3-6), that tells the story of the 2 witnesses. Then in Rev 11:7, the timeline of the beast that ascended out of the bottomless pit continues. There are 2 whole chapters (Rev 17) & (Rev 18) that is a recapitulation of chapter 16 when the 6th vial is poured out on the whore (city of Babylon) and the waters she stood upon.

[Sister]

1 hour ago, TMarcum said:

Isaiah 65 is not pertaining to 1000 year MK period. This is prophecy related to the gentile race being brought into the fold of God.

The term wolf and lamb feeding together is reference to the clean and unclean. The reference goes forward to the vision that Peter saw on the housetop praying and saw a vision of a sheet being let down, knit at all 4 corners with all manner of 4 footed beasts and unclean animals. The Lord said slay and eat. Peter said no, nothing unclean will enter my mouth. The Lord told Peter to call nothing that I have cleaned common or unclean.

All of chapter of Isaiah 65 is reference to the gentiles, in a time when Babylon were wasting the children of Israel, and putting them into great distress in captivity. Letting them know, one day they will not be a threat and will be at peace together in worship of the Lord in spirit and in truth.

TMarcum

The wolf and the lamb feeding together is a glimpse of the Kingdom of God inside Jerusalem during that thousand years.  Nothing will destroy nor hurt inside the kingdom's boundaries.  Neither will the animals attack each other for food.  It's going to be that peaceful (inside the kingdom area)

The gentiles who took part in the 1st Resurrection are already there.  They are already accepted.  They are not living in the flesh however, and they do not die ever again because they are spirit now, and quickened, just like their King. 

Those living to a hundred are the remnants of the Jews and Gentiles who were not in that resurrection.  These are survivors of the nations.  They must follow the new laws, for there is a NEW KING and a NEW KINGDOM ruling.  The old one has gone.  Babylon is destroyed, and her king is put away in prison, so the truth can come out unhindered.

If those nations do not follow or obey THE KING, they get no rain, and they get plagues.  Any sinner who does not obey the laws of the New Kingdom will die cursed.  He will still live to a hundred, but cursed.  If he obeys he will die blessed.  He will still live to a hundred.  You see there is still death there, because death has not been destroyed yet.  All these missed out on that first resurrection, the reward of everlasting life, and there are new generations to be born.  God is not finished yet.  He has many more children to bring into his kingdom.  See how much mercy he has? 

 

Isaiah 28:12   To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
 

Those that will convert will get their day also in the 2nd resurrection.

[Dennis1209]

9 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Dennis1209.

You are so VERY close! However, remember that the Beast and the False Prophet are IMMEDIATELY consigned to the Lake of Fire. HaSatan, however, is imprisoned in the Abyss (Greek: abussos = the pit with "no bottom"). He will be released from there after the 1,000 years and after inciting a rebellion against God and His Anointed, he will be thrown likewise into the Lake of Fire.

LoL... It's called "hermeneutic hygiene", accuracy in the Bible. Yep, I was off just a bit in my memory [I'll blame it on my age], thanks for the correction. The point I wanted to make was, the world hasn't seen the last of Satan when he is cast and confined in to the bottomless pit.

Revelation 20:3 (KJV) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. [emphasis added to correct my memory :-)]

It appears there's different levels of Hell and punishment, all of them currently underfoot. The bottomless pit implies the center of the earth; where there is no down, only up? The Lake of Fire is a different and special place the Lord created for the devil and his angels; so logically I would assume it's probably not 'in the earth'? Which leads me to...

1 Corinthians 6:3 (KJV) Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Ever think on the above verse? That angels are numbered innumerable? If we are still in "time", how much 'time' it's going to take to do that? Will it be done corporately, individually, jury, etc.? Yeah I know, we'll have an eternity to do it. 

 

[Sister]

TMarcum

And the saints are not at rest yet.  Not completely.  The devil does not rest for even one day.  We are at constant war with him.  Even the apostles had their dose.  The more we come closer to Christ, the more the devil will try to make us fall.  We are his main targets and he sends a flood after us.  This is why we have to keep the commandments of Christ, and use those tools he gave us.  We are not reigning now over anyone, but only reigning over our own souls, in training to keep it well guarded.

 

[TMarcum]

26 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

 

² And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

 

³ And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

⁵ But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

⁷ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

John tells us 6 times there WILL BE a thousand years. RM, I am going with John here. You are not only disagreeing with John, but disagreeing with the Holy Spirit that caused John to write.

If one does a little research:

 

 

 

The point of time in Johns vision is the judgment. He saw thrones and they that sat upon them and judgment was given to them. This is the setting of his vision, which is regarding the judgement of the dragon and all the wicked nations being judged by the saints.

Then he saw souls of those beheaded. He did not see resurrected body's. We all know that in the resurrection, we will be made perfect. We will not be walking around in heaven being beheaded and maimed. Therefore, it was only their souls that John saw. This is exactly what the text states. He also saw that they "lived" and 'reigned" with Christ for a thousand years. This is past tense. The time period that John saw the thrones, the time the saints reign with Christ was already over. The text does not say they were living or reigning with Christ. The text states that they "lived" and "reigned". And please don't attempt to say, that they didn't translate the bible correctly.

Again, Rev 20:1-6 is a recapitulation of the history of the dragon and the reign of the martyrs of Christ. The range beginning with the apostles and disciples of Jesus, all the way until the martyred saints of the beast.

I am not disagreeing with what John said or what the bible says. It not about agreeing or disagreeing with the text. It's about rightly dividing the word of truth. The book of Revelation is not written like a story book. There are segments and chapters of recapitulation all throughout the book.

[Sister]

Isaiah 11:1   And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

Isaiah 11:2   And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Isaiah 11:3   And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

 Isaiah 11:4   But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

 Isaiah 11:5   And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

 Isaiah 11:6   The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

 Isaiah 11:7   And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

 Isaiah 11:8   And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

 Isaiah 11:9   They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

 Isaiah 11:10   And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

 Isaiah 11:11   And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

 Isaiah 11:12   And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

 Isaiah 11:13   The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

Isaiah 11:14   But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

Isaiah 11:15   And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

Isaiah 11:16   And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

[TMarcum]

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, TMarcum.

No! You must spin a LOT of prophecy to deny the 1,000 years of Yeshua`s reign! Quit resorting to allegorical thinking. It'll bite you every time! If you have to say, "This means that," you're on the WRONG TRACK!

The correct way to interpret Scripture is to use the grammatical, historical method of interpretation. It's not precisely a "literal method," as some claim, but it does interpret the Scriptures most often literally. If the Scriptures are talking about history, past or FUTURE, accept these Scriptures as accurate about that history! And, get back to the grammar of the Scriptures! I'm talking about learning the GRAMMAR of Hebrew and Greek, not just the vocabulary! If you don't know it, use something like BibleHub.com! It will give you much of the grammar, even if you don't understand it!

You can't whitewash the prophecies of the TANAKH (the Jewish Scriptures, the OT) and say that they somehow apply rather to the Church and Christianity! God is working THROUGH the Christians today to restore His nation Israel! We are to be the MEANS for them to return to YHWH! That's what Romans 9-11 is all about!

Romans 11:11-32 (KJV)

11 I say then, Have they (the children of Israel) stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? (RESURRECTION!) 16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou (Gentile), being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then,

"The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in."

20 Well (Okay); because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written,

"There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:"

27 "For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' (the patriarchs') sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance! (God does not renege on His gifts and calling!) 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

God is NOT going to change His mind about having His Messiah reign over Israel and Jerusalem!

He is NOT going to undo His prophecy and re-write it for Gentile Christians!

We are NOT currently in the reign of Christ (the Greek word for Messiah)! We are looking for the Messiah's Return because it is THEN that He will begin His reign (Luke 19; Matthew 25), and He will reign from His ancestor David's throne IN ISRAEL! IN JERUSALEM!

LISTEN AGAIN TO GABRIEL'S WORDS!

Luke 1:30-33 (KJV)

 30 And the angel said unto her,

"Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob FOR EVER; and of his kingdom THERE SHALL BE NO END."

It's not just a "literal 1,000-year reign"; it shall be a literal ETERNAL reign! Not in "Heaven," as FAR TOO MANY "Christians" believe, but it will be a PHYSICAL, LITERAL, EARTHLY, SOLID, CONCRETE REIGN RIGHT HERE on this planet after it has been "renovated!" But, it STARTS while haSatan is imprisoned in the bottomless (unsounded) pit for that first 1,000 years that are STILL TO COME!

You diminish the importance and significance of the prophecy relating to the coming of the Messiah, and the shedding of his blood, to whom the children of Israel awaited all their lives for the day their souls would be redeemed. In your attempt, you take these prophecies and twist them and re-shape them, to make then apply to a time period after Christ has already come and delivered up the kingdom to God for eternity, to a time period of another life on earth.

This is not what the scriptures teach my friend. We will agree to disagree.

[Sister]

Isaiah 14:1   For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

  Isaiah 14:2   And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

  Isaiah 14:3   And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

  Isaiah 14:4   That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

  Isaiah 14:5   The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

  Isaiah 14:6   He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

  Isaiah 14:7   The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

  Isaiah 14:8   Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

  Isaiah 14:9   Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

  Isaiah 14:10   All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

  Isaiah 14:11   Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

  Isaiah 14:12   How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!