George Floyd

[Figure of eighty]

11 hours ago, LadyKay said:

The cop had his knee on his neck, and  suffocated him to death. Even after he lost consciousness the cop continue to have his knee on his neck.  Even after they called 911 for an ambulance. The cop still had his knee on his neck.  How can anyone be okay with this? 

 

Agreed. 

[Figure of eighty]

I really don't know the point of this thread. Floyd is dead and gone and now the cops that killed him are criminals and murders. Anyone gonna dig up their past?

[Gideon]

13 minutes ago, LonerAndy said:

Yes I agree with everything you said.  Floyd abandoned his kids, to the point that when he died, his kids didn't even know it was him.  Their mother had to tell them 'oh by the way, that was your dad'.

He had a massive criminal history, and he was in fact a huge guy.   If you find the longer video, Floyd is seen being moved by a police officer, and honestly Floyd made him look like a dwarf.

So this guy was no saint.  He was a life long burden on society.  And just to be honest, it doesn't bother me, that he's gone.  He would have continued being a criminal, and victimizing people.

All that said...

The issue with the officer, is simply that he had a knee on the guys neck.  We know that he was already in cuffs, before he ended up with a knee on his neck.

Additionally, officers are trained to put the knee on your shoulder blades, if they need to hold you down.

The only unknown at this point is, what happened in the few seconds, before the video of him with a knee on his neck.

And honestly, that's the problem with these situations.  We don't know.  If the person who made the recording, edited the recording to only include the knee on the neck, or if that is the only when he started recording... either way we have no idea why it went from him being calmly put into the cop car, to being pinned to the ground with a knee on his neck.

I have to assume he started fighting the officers.  I can't imagine why the officers would do that, without cause.

Regardless, the officer will likely be convicted.

The only thing that irritates me, is all the people who think that no one should ever be hurt by an officer.   If you don't want to be hurt by police.... stop breaking the law.  Stop fighting with police.  Stop resisting arrest.

People have this weird idea that police can always avoid injuring the other person, when that other person is fighting them.  You can't.

What you said may be true, but those police officers knew only that he had tried to pass a fake $20 bill.  Knees to the neck for almost nine minutes is murder. There is no way to justify it, period. This is not about whether he was a good man or not. It is about the actions by rhe police. Any attempts to change the narrative is simply a smoke screen attempt to try to somehow justify their actions and to deny the depth of the wrongdoing that was perpetrated on an American citizen. 

Once we accept actions like this, the floodgates are open for big government to do it to any group deemed 'contrary to the good of the whole'. At some point, I hope we realize it will be our turn to be rounded up. 

 

blessings, 

Gids

[Figure of eighty]

8 hours ago, SONshine said:

  Well one thing we can be grateful for is that there won’t be any racism in heaven. 

Right. Alot of people won't be there bc of their faulty sinful thinking and treatment of others. 

[LonerAndy]

5 minutes ago, Gideon said:

What you said may be true, but those police officers knew only that he had tried to pass a fake $20 bill.  Knees to the neck for almost nine minutes is murder. There is no way to justify it, period. This is not about whether he was a good man or not. It is about the actions by rhe police. Any attempts to change the narrative is simply a smoke screen attempt to try to somehow justify their actions and to deny the depth of the wrongdoing that was perpetrated on an American citizen. 

Once we accept actions like this, the floodgates are open for big government to do it to any group deemed 'contrary to the good of the whole'. At some point, I hope we realize it will be our turn to be rounded up.

blessings, 

Gids

As I said before, I agree that you don't put a knee to the neck.

Actually they knew Floyd from his many other criminal actions.  So they knew they were dealing with a potentially violent and dangerous man with a long criminal history.

If the last three times you and I met in person, I punched your wife in the face, you would treat me differently, even if at that moment I wasn't doing anything.

You would.  So would I.  So would anyone.

And again, we don't know what happened before the video started rolling.   If I started thrashing you, and kicking you, I can hurt you really bad.  I'm about 300 lbs, and I'm 6 foot 2.  Floyd is a bigger, and stronger guy than I am.

If I'm attacking you, you are going to put me on that ground, until I stop fighting you.

Again... we both agree, the officer should not have put a knee on the neck.  We all agree on this.   But I think you need to step back a minute, and put yourself in the officers shoes a little better.   There is a really sad tendency for people who have never had to try and subdue someone who is attacking them, to claim it should be easy for other people to do it without harming anyone.

A person that is determined to fight the police to the bitter end, can really hurt someone.  You have to pin them down, and in the process people get hurt.  That's why you don't fight the police.

On the other hand, if they really had no reason to put him on the ground, and they can prove Floyd never fought back, then the officer will be convicted, and rightly so.

But don't assume.  

[Gideon]

5 minutes ago, LonerAndy said:

As I said before, I agree that you don't put a knee to the neck.

Actually they knew Floyd from his many other criminal actions.  So they knew they were dealing with a potentially violent and dangerous man with a long criminal history.

If the last three times you and I met in person, I punched your wife in the face, you would treat me differently, even if at that moment I wasn't doing anything.

You would.  So would I.  So would anyone.

And again, we don't know what happened before the video started rolling.   If I started thrashing you, and kicking you, I can hurt you really bad.  I'm about 300 lbs, and I'm 6 foot 2.  Floyd is a bigger, and stronger guy than I am.

If I'm attacking you, you are going to put me on that ground, until I stop fighting you.

Again... we both agree, the officer should not have put a knee on the neck.  We all agree on this.   But I think you need to step back a minute, and put yourself in the officers shoes a little better.   There is a really sad tendency for people who have never had to try and subdue someone who is attacking them, to claim it should be easy for other people to do it without harming anyone.

A person that is determined to fight the police to the bitter end, can really hurt someone.  You have to pin them down, and in the process people get hurt.  That's why you don't fight the police.

On the other hand, if they really had no reason to put him on the ground, and they can prove Floyd never fought back, then the officer will be convicted, and rightly so.

But don't assume.  

He was already subdued, handcuffed from the back and loaded in the police car. He was taken out of the car to be subsequently murdered. Even if he was fighting back, there is no excuse. No taser was used. Just nine minutes of slowly being suffocated. Knee on the shoulder blade, this conversation would not even be happening. The officer knew the difference. There is no way this can be spun to justify it.  

blessings, 

Gids

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LonerAndy]

6 minutes ago, Gideon said:

He was already subdued, handcuffed from the back and loaded in the police car. He was taken out of the car to be subsequently murdered. Even if he was fighting back, there is no excuse. No taser was used. Just nine minutes of slowly being suffocated. Knee on the shoulder blade, this conversation would not even be happening. The officer knew the difference. There is no way this can be spun to justify it.  

blessings, 

Gids

Yeah, as I said, they should not have done that.   I'm still going to reserve judgement for the courts, to find out how it happened.

Maybe you know everything.... but I don't.  I'm not going to say "I'm sure this is how it happened", when I'm not.

G-d knows.  I'll let him be the real judge.

[Gideon]

7 minutes ago, LonerAndy said:

Yeah, as I said, they should not have done that.   I'm still going to reserve judgement for the courts, to find out how it happened.

Maybe you know everything.... but I don't.  I'm not going to say "I'm sure this is how it happened", when I'm not.

G-d knows.  I'll let him be the real judge.

I agree. God bless. 

Gids

[Coliseum]

11 hours ago, Addy said:

WELL... I think I will allow this to speak for itself... NO one is saying this man was an ANGEL..... this issue was and still is POLICE brutality... it is a THING... a very REAL thing... and I agree that these men in uniform have a difficult job... a very dangerous job... but they are none the less public servants... To make this into something it is NOT is a dis-service... It's time for ALL of us to RISE up and SAY... THIS is WRONG...and NO MORE. 

Christ saved us all when we were yet in terrible sin.... NOT one of us deserved to be SAVED... but we WERE by HIS GRACE... 

Situations like this should be ENRAGING Christians everywhere.. but they are not... WRONG is WRONG... and in this instance.. the issue is a COP murdered a man... in cold blood... 

All the rioting and looting is a separate issue... and it's ALL WRONG.... I don't know how to solve that problem.. there seems to be a lot of unrest in the United States at this time... but let's INDEED look at the whole picture.... and decide how we are going to FIX it... but first we have to be honest about it. 

One thing is certain. He is dead. If he was not a Christian, his life was snuffed out of him before there was any hope he could have been. That is what is truly sad. Some on Death Row have at least that opportunity to receive Christ before they die. Paul killed Christians; was this man any less able to receive Christ than Paul? Of course no one knows whether, in his suffocation, he may have asked anything of the Lord. Jesus does not waver in saying to those who are alive, without Christ. "Today is the day..." It is urgent---and this could not have been a greater illustration why. All of these arguments whether what happened was right or wrong pale into insignificance when we are talking about a man's eternal destiny.

[Gideon]

5 minutes ago, Coliseum said:

One thing is certain. He is dead. If he was not a Christian, his life was snuffed out of him before there was any hope he could have been. That is what is truly sad. Some on Death Row have at least that opportunity to receive Christ before they die. Paul killed Christians; was this man any less able to receive Christ than Paul? Of course no one knows whether, in his suffocation, he may have asked anything of the Lord. Jesus does not waver in saying to those who are alive, without Christ. "Today is the day..." It is urgent---and this could not have been a greater illustration why. All of these arguments whether what happened was right or wrong pale into insignificance when we are talking about a man's eternal destiny.

Excellent post.

blessings, 

Gids