Another Hell Topic

[Guest happywisdom]

I take issue on the comment that there is something wrong with a person who turns to God because that person only wants to escape from hell.

Before I begin, and I may be mistaken in my understanding, but I see hell as a concept that represents a condition endured by any individual that has not completely let go and turned to God in the here and now, while alive in the individual mind body organism. What we see in the world today and that has been true throughout history are individuals filled with evil thoughts and actions and one doesn't just turn to God without first admitting that their current situation is a never ending struggle that is in need of improvement. The light of Christ would never been seen or felt unless it is contrasted against the darkness.

So, my own experience of living within the body of Christ has taken the "hell" out of my everyday life and removed the confusion and doubts. The words of Jesus fill me with harmony and there simply is no room left for "hell" to exist.

I sense individuals who are filled with fear of a hell that exists somewhere in the unknown that gathers souls to forever torment and this type of thought process or any thought process for that matter that is judgemental or critical or based on fear completely astounds me and makes me wonder the sincerity of their surrender to a life filled with love for others as enumerated so beautifully over and over by the words of Jesus.

The point I am making is that hell is the torment that one endures until the choice is made to sincerely surrender and let go all thoughts and empty the glass so to speak, and this then allows the empty glass to be filled with the Love that we truly are. It may appear admireable to surrender without concern about escape from hell but perhaps recognizing hell as what the mind body is going through provides the stimulus and uncovers or exposes all that needs to be included.

Finally, if one is to consider the concept of hell as what is experienced in the material world while alive, how much life changes when one is beyond all fear and doubt and regardless of the "hell" outside in the material world, it is all peace inside and events are accepted as they are and bad stuff is encountered but it is recognized as bad stuff and discarded, automatically and effortlessly.

My own experience is all I know and letting go completely is not easy but for me, the realization that I needed to escape hell required full undivided attention and it also makes sense that it took experiencing a lot of bitterness before I became ready to go a different route and more fully realize how bright the light.

[ayin jade]

I thought it was Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle? I read it Gerioke.

[Gerioke]

I thought it was Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle? I read it Gerioke.

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You are correct.

Beg your pardon

[Gerioke]

I take issue on the comment that there is something wrong with a person who turns to God because that person only wants to escape from hell.

Before I begin, and I may be mistaken in my understanding, but I see hell as a concept that represents a condition endured by any individual that has not completely let go and turned to God in the here and now, while alive in the individual mind body organism.  What we see in the world today and that has been true throughout history are individuals filled with evil thoughts and actions and one doesn't just turn to God without first admitting that their current situation is a never ending struggle that is in need of improvement.  The light of Christ would never been seen or felt unless it is contrasted against the darkness.

So, my own experience of living within the body of Christ has taken the "hell" out of my everyday life and removed the confusion and doubts.  The words of Jesus fill me with harmony and there simply is no room left for "hell" to exist.

I sense individuals who are filled with fear of a hell that exists somewhere in the unknown that gathers souls to forever torment and this type of thought process or any thought process for that matter that is judgemental or critical or based on fear completely astounds me and makes me wonder the sincerity of their surrender to a life filled with love for others as enumerated so beautifully over and over by the words of Jesus.

The point I am making is that hell is the torment that one endures until the choice is made to sincerely surrender and let go all thoughts and empty the glass so to speak, and this then allows the empty glass to be filled with the Love that we truly are.  It may appear admireable to surrender without concern about escape from hell but perhaps recognizing hell as what the mind body is going through provides the stimulus and uncovers or exposes all that needs to be included.

Finally, if one is to consider the concept of hell as what is experienced in the material world while alive, how much life changes when one is beyond all fear and doubt and regardless of the "hell" outside in the material world, it is all peace inside and events are accepted as they are and bad stuff is encountered but it is recognized as bad stuff and discarded, automatically and effortlessly.

My own experience is all I know and letting go completely is not easy but for me, the realization that I needed to escape hell required full undivided attention and it also makes sense that it took experiencing a lot of bitterness before I became ready to go a different route and more fully realize how bright the light.

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If hell is defined as separation from God , wouldn't those people realistically want to be saved from separation from God? That would mean that they want to be with God. No problem

[Artemus Prime]

Agreed, Ger...I do think at times people get so wrapped up in proving themselves right that they tend to over-complicate certain topics, e.g. this...

AP

[his-servant-too]

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Well as usual forum hyjacked! Can't anyone stay on topic? If you want to discuss other things why don't you start your own thread?

[WayneB]

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Well as usual forum hyjacked! Can't anyone stay on topic? If you want to discuss other things why don't you start your own thread?

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I agree HST. I deleted all the silly posts that I saw. Report it if it continues.

[his-servant-too]

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Well as usual forum hyjacked! Can't anyone stay on topic? If you want to discuss other things why don't you start your own thread?

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I agree HST. I deleted all the silly posts that I saw. Report it if it continues.

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THX