Fine Linen is the Righteousness of Saints

[Diaste]

8 hours ago, Uriah said:

Of course it is the church being persecuted. Those who say the word "church" is not seen in Revelation are stuck in a word game. The point I make is about the armies of heaven following Jesus as He returns to conquer. Many say that because they are arrayed in white ti must be the church and it is supposed to mean they have been raptured years earlier. With THAT, I disagree.

Correct, as it is written. It's why I posted this as I haven't seen a thread that examines the relationship between ALL the mentions of hagios in Revelation. Sure, some people are all about what they feel are the positives but stop short of realizing the full picture.

A movie quote paraphrase: "And do you know why you don't care about that future? Because it doesn't ask anything of you, today." 

 

[Revelation Man]

On 6/22/2020 at 5:51 AM, Diaste said:

"fine linen is the righteousness of saints." - Rev 19:8

An obvious reference to the saints, holy ones, set apart people unlike the world and like God, or the Church.

"just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints." - Rev 15:3

Same here. The saints from Rev 19 are the church. Translated from the word 'hagios' and in Rev 19 it's the redeemed church.

Beside these two times 'hagios' occurs 11 more times in Revelation.

We see the prayers of hagios 3 times in Rev 5 and Rev 8. We see the rewards to the hagios in Rev 11. In Rev 13 and 14 we see the patience and faith of hagios. Again in Rev 20 we see the hagios surrounded in the city at the end of the Millennium.

In Rev 16, 17 and 18 we the punishments meted to those who have shed the blood of the hagios and the prophets.

In all these we see our Father hears us, rewards us, lauds patience and faith, protects us and avenges us. Now that is great stuff. Our God, our Father is indeed mighty beyond compare and He cares for us, deeply and eternally. And he defeats His enemies and ours every time. I like that. Personally I'm weary of the enemy ruling in the heart and mind of man and destroying everything.

So all these times we see hagios it's the saints of God, the church of Jesus Christ, the set apart ones in the righteousness of Christ.

So then this one mention must be the same group, yes?

"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them." - Rev 13:7

Same sub-set, the Church AS YOU SAY, are seen in Rev. 5, BEFORE the Seals are opened, an Rev. 19 we see them BEFORE Rev. 5 even, because they haven't yet married the Lamb to get their White Robes, in Rev. 4 and 5 we see they have on White Robes/Raiment. So, those seen in Heaven in Rev. 4, 5, 7, and 19 are the Church indeed, in Heaven, having been Raptured. Those seen in the other chapters you mentioned are the Remnant Church seen in Rev. 12 and called the Remnant that keeps the Commandments of God. 

The Church is thus in Heaven AND the Remnant Church is on earth, having made their conversion AFTER the Rapture. I don't get why some people can't see this in the scriptures. Of course of you have a loved one who misses the Rapture God will continue accepting those who want to come unto Him, God is a God of love, He desires that all men turn from Sin unto Him. 

[Revelation Man]

On 6/22/2020 at 9:02 PM, Uriah said:

I concur. And I don't want to leave out the fact that the bride in Rev. 19 is given the white to wear only at this late hour- when Jesus is seen coming for her on the white horse with the armies of heaven clothed in fine linen. THEN we will be, "like unto the angels" even in our attire. 

She is seen in Rev. 4 and 5 with WHITE on so Rev. 19 happens before Rev. 4 and 5, the difference is Rev. 19 is about the Marriage AND Return of the Lamb and his Bride. It thus covers a 7 year period, just like Rev. 14 does, which is The Harvest Chapter. Rev. chapter 11 is the Two-Witnesses Ministry Chapter. Rev. 12 is the Woman Fleeing Chapter, Rev. 13 is the Beast Arising Chapter, Rev. 17 is the Harlot Chapter, Rev. 18 is the world {Babylon} being judged Chapter. They are all Parenthetical Citation Chapters.

Rev. 8,9, 15&16 are the only Judgment Chapters, they cover the true 42 moths of Gods Wrath. 

Edited June 25, 2020 by Revelation Man

[Diaste]

56 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Same sub-set, the Church AS YOU SAY, are seen in Rev. 5, BEFORE the Seals are opened, an Rev. 19 we see them BEFORE Rev. 5 even, because they haven't yet married the Lamb to get their White Robes, in Rev. 4 and 5 we see they have on White Robes/Raiment. So, those seen in Heaven in Rev. 4, 5, 7, and 19 are the Church indeed, in Heaven, having been Raptured. Those seen in the other chapters you mentioned are the Remnant Church seen in Rev. 12 and called the Remnant that keeps the Commandments of God. 

The Church is thus in Heaven AND the Remnant Church is on earth, having made their conversion AFTER the Rapture. I don't get why some people can't see this in the scriptures. Of course of you have a loved one who misses the Rapture God will continue accepting those who want to come unto Him, God is a God of love, He desires that all men turn from Sin unto Him. 

Sure, scripture can say anything when you make stuff up.

Remnant church is not an idea found in the Word.

 

[Diaste]

55 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

She is seen in Rev. 4 and 5 with WHITE on so Rev. 19 happens before Rev. 4 and 5, the difference it Rev. 19 is about the Marriage AND Return of the Lamb and his Bride. 

So the following occurs before the seals open?

 I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood,c and His name is The Word of God.

14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter.d He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:

 

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

Defeat of the Beast and False Prophet

17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of everyone slave and free, small and great.”

19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. 20But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.

And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

[Revelation Man]

2 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Sure, scripture can say anything when you make stuff up.

Remnant church is not an idea found in the Word.

 

Yes it is, but I guess it isn't when you you don't understand Eschatology in full, its just not everyone's calling. Of course it can't be with you because there can be no pre trib Rapture even though it is pre trib. Rev. 12:17 PROVES the remnant can only be the Church, it can not be Jews. And when I show that you, then there is nothing you can do but accept it, because its factual, and the scriptures confirm it. 

The 1/3 Jews who REPENT are PROTECTED.......The Remnant Can't be them because it clearly states the Dragon goes after the Remnant because he CAN'T GET AT the Women who is fleeing, and the 1/3 Flee Judea. The 2/3 who don't repent can't be the Remnant spoken of because they don't have the TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ. As usual, it takes me about two minutes to prove your understanding is not the proper one on this brother, its in the scriptures. You can keep saying its not the Gentile Church all you want to, but it can only be the  Remnant Church brother. You guys just have a hard time dealing with the reality of being wrong it seems. Its OK to be wrong, because then we move on to being right. Pride is what made Satan fall, being wrong is just admitting we are being led by the Holy Spirit from darkness unto truth. I don't get the false pride when we are in error. I have been in  error many times over 35 years, but I pretty much have now seen all that I can see, I understand the issues on all these end tie Subjects. I have put 35 years of hard study and prayer in. I have been wrong many times, that is why I am now right on all these things, I am like a dog with a bone, I keep on seeking truth from God until He shows me His truths. God rewards persistence. 

[Uriah]

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

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She is seen in Rev. 4 and 5 with WHITE on

There is no bride mentioned in these two chapters. The word "white" is not even in ch. 5.

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so Rev. 19 happens before Rev. 4 and 5, the difference it Rev. 19 is about the Marriage AND Return of the Lamb and his Bride.

Chapter 19 is mostly about Jesus conquering His enemies. The bride is in 3 verses. Nowhere in ch. 4 or 5 is any mention of Jesus and His army slaying anyone. 

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Its thus covers a 7 year period

NO time marker for 7 years in those chapters OR ch. 14........

, just like Rev. 14 does, which is Te Harvest Chapter. Rev. chapter 11 is the Two-Witnesses Ministry Chapter. Rev. 12 is the Woman Fleeing Chapter, Rev. 13 is the Beast Arising Chapter, Rev. 18 is the Harlot Chapter, Rev. 18 is the world {Babylon} being judged Chapter. They are all Parenthetical Citation Chapters.

Rev. 8,9, 15&16 are the only Judgment Chapters, they cover the true 42 moths of Gods Wrath. 

Why go on? Let's stick to what the bible SAYS............

Edited June 25, 2020 by Uriah
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[Diaste]

9 hours ago, Uriah said:

Why go on? Let's stick to what the bible SAYS............

That will be nearly impossible with him.

[Diaste]

15 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Yes it is, but I guess it isn't when you you don't understand Eschatology in full, its just not everyone's calling. Of course it can't be with you because there can be no pre trib Rapture even though it is pre trib. Rev. 12:17 PROVES the remnant can only be the Church, it can not be Jews. And when I show that you, then there is nothing you can do but accept it, because its factual, and the scriptures confirm it. 

The 1/3 Jews who REPENT are PROTECTED.......The Remnant Can't be them because it clearly states the Dragon goes after the Remnant because he CAN'T GET AT the Women who is fleeing, and the 1/3 Flee Judea. The 2/3 who don't repent can't be the Remnant spoken of because they don't have the TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ. As usual, it takes me about two minutes to prove your understanding is not the proper one on this brother, its in the scriptures. You can keep saying its not the Gentile Church all you want to, but it can only be the  Remnant Church brother. You guys just have a hard time dealing with the reality of being wrong it seems. Its OK to be wrong, because then we move on to being right. Pride is what made Satan fall, being wrong is just admitting we are being led by the Holy Spirit from darkness unto truth. I don't get the false pride when we are in error. I have been in  error many times over 35 years, but I pretty much have now seen all that I can see, I understand the issues on all these end tie Subjects. I have put 35 years of hard study and prayer in. I have been wrong many times, that is why I am now right on all these things, I am like a dog with a bone, I keep on seeking truth from God until He shows me His truths. God rewards persistence. 

 

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Romans 11:5 [Full Chapter]

So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.

Romans 9:27

Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be saved.

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Romans 11:1

[ The Remnant of Israel ] I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.

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Romans 11:5

So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.

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The only occurrences from Matthew to Revelation and both in the context of the Jewish people. The example from Romans 11:1 is a heading and not scripture. These examples speak to natural Jews of the 12 tribes and not the grafted in ones.

So again, no concept as 'remnant church' in scripture. But the 'church' idea is flawed as well. The congregation is a whole. There aren't saved Jews and saved Gentiles, there are just saved people. Those saved people are in Christ and are the seed of Abraham, and that's it. Not two groups, only one; and they are of every nation of earth. But this doesn't answer the OP.

"So all these times we see hagios it's the saints of God, the church of Jesus Christ, the set apart ones in the righteousness of Christ.

So then this one mention must be the same group, yes?

"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them." - Rev 13:7"

17 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Church is thus in Heaven AND the Remnant Church is on earth, having made their conversion AFTER the Rapture. I don't get why some people can't see this in the scriptures.

The idea you struggle with is the word remnant in Rev 12 and it's not the same idea as in Romans. In Romans it's a part of a whole, it's a group named 'Remnant'. In Rev 12 the idea is the left over and describes the seed. And it's the seed of the woman who is Israel. You can lurch about claiming it's  a portion of the church if you like but it isn't.

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

That's the seed of Israel that has the testimony of Jesus, not some portion of the church that fits a pretrib narrative. And that means it's everyone that has the testimony of Jesus so again, no pretrib.

 

[Revelation Man]

On 6/24/2020 at 1:20 PM, Diaste said:

So the following occurs before the seals open?

 I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood,c and His name is The Word of God.

14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter.d He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:

 

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

Defeat of the Beast and False Prophet

17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of everyone slave and free, small and great.”

19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. 20But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.

And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

You seemed to have missed the point where I stated Rev. chapter 19 covers the FULL SEVEN YEARS of the 70th week. I will COPY & PASTE it right HERE....It thus covers a 7 year period, just like Rev. 14 does...So, it starts out BEFORE Revelation 4 and 5 because we see the Church has not yet received their White Robes {Raiment} in Rev. 19, they need to Marry the Lamb first, but in Revelation 4 and 5 we see they already have on their White Robes/Raiment. THEN.....time moves forward and the Church/Bride thus Return with Jesus at the Second Coming which sees Armageddon as the Marriage Super. So, Revelation chapter 19 happens both BEFORE Revelation 4 and 5 and AFTER Rev. 6 the 6th Vial because Armageddon is the 7th Vial. That is why I wrote.........It thus covers a 7 year period, just like Rev. 14 does, because in Rev. 14:14 we see the Rapture of the Church in a mid chapter SOLILOQUY, whilst we are being told about the Harvest of the Wheat {Jews/144,000} and the Wicked Tares, who grow together until the very end, one is seen on the Mountain with Jesus the others are being placed in the Wine-press of  God's Wrath all in chapter 14. So its the Harvest Chapter that covers 7 full years also. 

You seemed to have missed the fact that time is not stationary as pertaining to the events on earth. The Church is RAPTURED Pre-trib and Returns with Jesus at the Second Coming. Doesn't that add up to 7 Years? Just like I qualify in my post, you just seemed to have missed all this brother.

Edited June 26, 2020 by Revelation Man