Who is this prostitute ?

[Revelation Man]

10 hours ago, David1701 said:

Roman Catholicism is THE continuation of Babylonian false religion.  It is also the direct descendant of Caesar worship, the bishop of Rome having had the pagan title of Pontifex Maximus  (one of his titles of blasphemy, meaning "greatest bridge-builder", in the sense of a bridge between God and man) conferred upon him, which the later Roman emperors had.

Romanism claims authority over ALL religions (and contains many elements of pagan religions) and pronounces that they can all be saved, while remaining in their religions, as long as they live according to the light they supposedly have and acknowledge the claimed primacy of the "Pope" (another title of blasphemy, meaning "Father").

Of course Romanism (a.k.a. Babylonian occult religion) also has many "harlot daughters" (other false religions and offshoots).

Look at this or type it in on YOUTUBE...."Nimrod & Alexander Hislop DEBUNKED (THE TRUTH about Nimrod, Hislop & Semiramis) The Underground #109"......

Hislop made up almost everything he spoke about in the 1800s, there is zero proof for anything he said, he was a RCC hater. Watch the video, Joel even has free books now in his site, I don't agree with the Islamic Anti-Christ or his post 70th week or mid 70th week Rapture (whichever it is), but his book about Babylon is pretty good. Hes made all his books FREE........Pretty cool.

 

FREE BOOK Mystery Babylon

https://joelstrumpet.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Mystery-Babylon.pdf

 

Edited July 15, 2020 by Revelation Man

[David1701]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Look at this or type it in on YOUTUBE...."Nimrod & Alexander Hislop DEBUNKED (THE TRUTH about Nimrod, Hislop & Semiramis) The Underground #109"......

Hislop made up almost everything he spoke about in the 1800s, there is zero proof for anything he said, he was a RCC hater. Watch the video, Joel even has free books now in his site, I don't agree with the Islamic Anti-Christ or his post 70th week or mid 70th week Rapture (whichever it is), but his book about Babylon is pretty good. Hes made all his books FREE........Pretty cool.

 

FREE BOOK Mystery Babylon

https://joelstrumpet.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Mystery-Babylon.pdf

 

You'll have noticed (or maybe not) that I did not even MENTION Alexander Hislop.  The Reformers all realised that Romanism is the Whore of Babylon and that the "Pope" is the anti-Christ.  They were all centuries before Hislop.

[Diaste]

8 hours ago, David1701 said:

The Reformers all realised that Romanism is the Whore of Babylon and that the "Pope" is the anti-Christ. 

You think so? I have thought so as well. As of 2020 I'm of the opinion the Pope is the one depicted on the back of the beast and is symbolic of the mystery religion. The center of evil practices just moved from Iraq to Italy. History seems to show the parallel between false worship, fornication with the kings of the earth, death of saints, the Inquisition a remarkable example, the exalted lives of the top leaders, etc., with the practices of the Roman Catholicism.

I'm just unsure about Rev 18 and the apparent city that's described in amazing detail. Seems to me it's a physical city that's a global hub of commerce. I don't know if that's a valid parallel for Vatican City.

[Diaste]

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Babylon is just one of three descriptors of the Harlot, its a MYSTERY....1. Babylon the Great and 2 and 3 everyone knows by now. So, Babylon is the Government side of the whole picture. The Harlot [False Religions] RIDES the [Government] Beasts down through the ages, Egypt had their false gods, as did Greece and Rome, but Babylon was noted for that,

thus Babylon is used to describe or paint the picture. The Harlot is co=-mingled with these anti-god Beast Governments whom Satan rules as Luke 4 tells us. 

Right. So the conclusion is the RCC. Got it.

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Thus, Babylon stands for the Whole World, Jesus and John new they couldn't say in the book of Revelation that the world was going to be judged, so they used a dead city, Babylon, thus the Romans laughed at their writings, they used code words for Israel because Rome had sacked Israel 20 years earlier, not only was WOMAN used in Rev. 12 bit I think the 144,000 simply refers to the fleeing Jews who flee unto Petra. In Rev. 18:4 God says come out of her MY PEOPLE {Israel}. The key to unlocking this is Rev. 16:19 IMHO.

Your 'ergo' doesn't fly. "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" is the wellspring of evil practice in the world. The prima facie dominator of the governments depicted in the beast in Rev 17, and probably can be construed to cover all governments; the evidence here doesn't lead to that. 

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts (Jerusalem/Jesus splits Mt. Olives), and the cities of the nations fell (Babylon falls): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So, God calls the Nations Jesus defeats at Armageddon Babylon the Great, so who fell? Lets look at the 6th Vial.

Not really. The text clearly delineates the difference; 'the cities of the nations fell', then 'also great Babylon came to mind'. This doesn't equate Babylon with the entire physical world. Babylon at the core is the spiritual evil that permeates the mind of mankind all over the world. 

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Rev. 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

So, God defeats Babylon or the Kings of the WHOLE WORLD. So, God sees this whole evil world as Babylon. And since Babel means confusion what better way to describe men who go to war against their own Creator !! Babylon the great. So, Babylon in Rev. 18 is the whole world, the chapter is prose for the whole world getting judged over a 42 month period of time.

If you can find scripture that equates Babylon with the world please post it. 

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

We can see Rev. 18 for what it truly is once we get the parameters down pat. 

Your personal parameters aren't convincing.

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

In verse 2 it states Babylon (World) is a habitation of devils, and we know Satan is cast down to earth and Apollyon and his Demon hordes are released from the Bottomless Pit. In verse 4 we see God calls His people {Israel} to come out of her lest she partake in her sins and receive of her Plagues. We know that 1/3 of the Jews flee Judea and go to Petra at this time.

And this is a good example: "Apollyon and his Demon hordes are released from the Bottomless Pit." 

"And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power."

"And they had a king over them, [which is] the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue [is] Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath [his] name Apollyon."

Only the locusts come out of the pit. Abaddon is said to be the king of the locusts and is not said to come out of the pit. You can make that stuff up if you like but it's incorrect.

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

In verse 8 we see Babylon (World) is Judged in ONE DAY, well that means the Day of the Lord, which lasts 42 months. then in verse 10 we see Babylon is judged in ONE HOUR and in Rev. 17:12 we see the Kings rule ONE HOUR (42 Months) with the Beast. So, Babylon in Rev. 18 is the Whole World getting Judged by God over a 42-month period of time, the Prose is meant to show that via the Merchants that loved this world and their riches more than they loved God !!

So plain, everyday language is meant to say something other that what is written?

Prose:

"a form or technique of language that exhibits a natural flow of speech and grammatical structure. Novels, textbooks and newspaper articles are all prose."

" the ordinary language people use in speaking or writing."

" Here are some different formats that prose comes in: Casual dialogue: “Hi, how are you?” “I'm fine, how are you?” “Fine, thanks.”"

 

[Michael37]

34 minutes ago, Diaste said:

If you can find scripture that equates Babylon with the world please post it. 

Will these do?

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels that had the seven bowls, and spake with me, saying, Come hither, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot that sits upon many waters;

Rev 17:5 and upon her forehead a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Rev 17:15 And he said unto me, The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
(Isa 57:20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea; for it cannot rest, and its waters cast up mire and dirt.)

[Diaste]

19 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Will these do?

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels that had the seven bowls, and spake with me, saying, Come hither, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot that sits upon many waters;

Rev 17:5 and upon her forehead a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Rev 17:15 And he said unto me, The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
(Isa 57:20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea; for it cannot rest, and its waters cast up mire and dirt.)

I appreciate that but those verses support what I see.

The whore sits on MANY waters and the waters are the people of the world. The whore is a dominant force over many people, not all, but many.  

And the language really says the whore sits (domination) on the world and the people (waters) are the world and she only influences the greater portion of those people.

Babylon has always represented spiritual evil given the proper context. Still, Babylon was a physical city where Meschah, Shadrach and Abednego were thrown in the fire and where Nebuchadnezzar, Darius Xerxes, and Alexander all ruled. I don't see why Babylon cannot and will not be both once again.

[David1701]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

You think so? I have thought so as well. As of 2020 I'm of the opinion the Pope is the one depicted on the back of the beast and is symbolic of the mystery religion. The center of evil practices just moved from Iraq to Italy. History seems to show the parallel between false worship, fornication with the kings of the earth, death of saints, the Inquisition a remarkable example, the exalted lives of the top leaders, etc., with the practices of the Roman Catholicism.

I'm just unsure about Rev 18 and the apparent city that's described in amazing detail. Seems to me it's a physical city that's a global hub of commerce. I don't know if that's a valid parallel for Vatican City.

I don't normally discuss end-times prophecies, because there are details that I'm unsure about as well.  Having said that, I will propose that the Vatican, as representative of the Roman Catholic organisation, does an enormous amount of commerce.  They have the world's business leaders in the palms of their hands (along with politicians, bankers and religious leaders).  They are involved, often behind the scenes, in the most important decisions taken by, e.g., the E.U. and many other organisations.

[Diaste]

39 minutes ago, David1701 said:

I don't normally discuss end-times prophecies, because there are details that I'm unsure about as well.  Having said that, I will propose that the Vatican, as representative of the Roman Catholic organisation, does an enormous amount of commerce.  They have the world's business leaders in the palms of their hands (along with politicians, bankers and religious leaders).  They are involved, often behind the scenes, in the most important decisions taken by, e.g., the E.U. and many other organisations.

Yes. I have heard that as well. The church is very rich and for some reason the pope has a lot of influence.

[Revelation Man]

18 hours ago, Diaste said:

Right. So the conclusion is the RCC. Got it.

 

Negative, that's not my thinking at all. The RCC has nothing to do with the Harlot save some of her hierarchy may be a part of the Harlot False Religions, just like Mormons, SDA or JW types, but she is all of the false religions of all time, in these end times mainly Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism by the sheer multitude of numbers.

19 hours ago, Diaste said:

Your 'ergo' doesn't fly. "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" is the wellspring of evil practice in the world. The prima facie dominator of the governments depicted in the beast in Rev 17, and probably can be construed to cover all governments; the evidence here doesn't lead to that. 

 

MYSTERY is the header like this

MYSTERY

1. Babylon the Great

2. Mother of Harlots

3. Abominations of the Earth

These descriptors are on her head like an old time Harlots name would have been on her head to identify her to her clientele. Thus, Babylon is where she was at her Zenith, Babylon was noted for false religion, the Birthplace of false religion, or as Saddam would say, the Mother of all religious idolatry. And of course false religion is an Abomination to God. The Harlot is getting Judged by the 10 Kings, by the way, 10 just means complete, not 10 per se. If God is giving a prophesy about Iron Legs of the Fourth Beast and the Fourth Beast has a Mortal Wound and goes away, thus its shown as Fragmented feet of Iron and Clay, and it can't come back together even via wars or Royal Marriage until the VERY END {10 toes are the very end}, then God's 10 toes or his 10 horns are speaking about the Fourth Beast Kingdom down through the ages, from the time Rome fell, or Israel was no more, either way its been nigh 2000 years, maybe 1600 its irrelevant, but God mentions those kingdoms and says 10, because sometimes it will be just one, see Rome, then it might be 8, then maybe 35 nations in the region, now its 26 minus England. So the number 10 is meant to show the complete number thereof, especially in long ranging prophesies. Anyway, the 10 Kings [Government kings/Beast} kill off the False Religions in Rev. 17:16.

19 hours ago, Diaste said:

Not really. The text clearly delineates the difference; 'the cities of the nations fell', then 'also great Babylon came to mind'. This doesn't equate Babylon with the entire physical world. Babylon at the core is the spiritual evil that permeates the mind of mankind all over the world. 

 

Yea, its telling you God sees them as Babylon, else He wouldn't have stated that. Babylon is speaking about World Governments, who was the Head of Gold? Babylon. 

19 hours ago, Diaste said:

If you can find scripture that equates Babylon with the world please post it. 

 

I just did, its obvious. also in Rev. 18:2, Babylon has become a Habitation of devils. Well who gets cast down to earth? Satan and his Demons, and Apollyon is released from the pit. Its not about a city, its about the world. Gods going to judged the whole world. 

19 hours ago, Diaste said:

Your personal parameters aren't convincing.

 

Your understandings as usual are off, you say you don't understand, then you try to say you do, so which is it? 

19 hours ago, Diaste said:

And this is a good example: "Apollyon and his Demon hordes are released from the Bottomless Pit." 

"And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power."

"And they had a king over them, [which is] the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue [is] Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath [his] name Apollyon."

Only the locusts come out of the pit. Abaddon is said to be the king of the locusts and is not said to come out of the pit. You can make that stuff up if you like but it's incorrect.

 Rev. 11 says the Beast from the Bottomless pit kills the two-witnesses, not Demons but a BEAST, which means the most powerful demon there, you do the math. The Beast that WAS........IS NOT.........YET IS, is Apollyon. God locked him in the pit just like he dispersed Israel nigh 2000 years ago. Apollyon is the Demon who resisted Micheal for 21 days in Daniel 10. He was over the region, hes what Ephesians 6:12 calls a Principality in High Places. The reason there has been no Beast in nigh 2000 years is God locked him up. Thus he will be OF THE SEVEN............Hes not THE 8TH of the Region, it just says he is an 8th, meaning his Kingdom is not of this world. 

 

19 hours ago, Diaste said:

So plain, everyday language is meant to say something other that what is written?

Prose:

"a form or technique of language that exhibits a natural flow of speech and grammatical structure. Novels, textbooks and newspaper articles are all prose."

" the ordinary language people use in speaking or writing."

" Here are some different formats that prose comes in: Casual dialogue: “Hi, how are you?” “I'm fine, how are you?” “Fine, thanks.”"

 

Seems you have not read much of the bible then if you can't recall all of Psalms, and the Song of Solomon. Much of Revelation is written in this fashion also. Rev. 17 is nothing but a retelling of the Daniel 5 story of Mene, Mene, Tekel, GO LOOK. God uses prose to cover what has come and what will come. 

[Diaste]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Seems you have not read much of the bible then if you can't recall all of Psalms, and the Song of Solomon. Much of Revelation is written in this fashion also. Rev. 17 is nothing but a retelling of the Daniel 5 story of Mene, Mene, Tekel, GO LOOK. God uses prose to cover what has come and what will come. 

Yes, the scriptures are a collection of regular old everyday language. The occasional foray in to poetry and allegory aside scripture is written like normal people talk. That's the definition of prose, normal everyday speech!!

This is one of the reasons I don't find you credible.