The New World Order in the Book of Revelation and the people preparing it

[Don19]

On 7/31/2020 at 8:08 AM, David1701 said:

In biblical imagery, a beast is a kingdom (or its ruler, as representing that kingdom).  Examples are Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome, which are all typified as different beasts, in the book of Daniel.

The beast that arose from the ten toes of the statue that Nebuchadnezzar dreamed was Roman Catholicism (it arose from the ten kingdoms into which the Roman Empire was split, after it had been defeated) and the so-called "Pope" is the "little horn".

The beast suffered a "deadly wound", when Napoleon arrested the Pope and removed his political power, in 1798.  This "deadly wound" was healed, in 1929, when Mussolini signed an agreement with Romanism, restoring its political power and giving it the status of a country (Vatican City).  This was even called, at the time, "healing the wound".

This beast (Roman Catholicism) claims authority over every country, every religion and every person in the world.

 

On 7/31/2020 at 8:21 AM, R. Hartono said:

It was the Justinian Decree in 538 AD which empowered them with absolute power n Absolute Power corrupt absolutely with their bloody  Inquisition and wars, This Justinian Decree has changed the pagan Roman Empire to become the Holy Roman Empire n history always repeats itself if the Beast of Revelation is decreed to rule the world by mutual consent in the UN.

 

And I would point out 538 to 1798 is exactly 1260 years. Using the day = year principle, 1260 days also equals 42 months, using 30 days for a month.

[David1701]

13 hours ago, Don19 said:

 

And I would point out 538 to 1798 is exactly 1260 years. Using the day = year principle, 1260 days also equals 42 months, using 30 days for a month.

Exactly so; and this also fits in with several Scriptures.

[R. Hartono]

Thank you, i have made a post regarding this :

 

 

[R. Hartono]

On 8/3/2020 at 10:01 PM, iamlamad said:

I am saying these three, war, famine, pestilences, have been what God has allowed Satan to use to try and stop the church (Seal 1) from advancing the gospel to the world. They have been ongoing. OF COURSE they caused destruction: how many died in two world wars? How many died of the Black Plague?  But God limited these three to 1/4 of the world. 

That will look like a picnic when the seals are opened n antichrist is launched to conquer the world at the 1st seal opening after the rapture of wise virgins.

[iamlamad]

On 4/5/2021 at 7:44 PM, R. Hartono said:

That will look like a picnic when the seals are opened n antichrist is launched to conquer the world at the 1st seal opening after the rapture of wise virgins.

Please allow me to correct: 

That will look like a picnic when the trumpets are sounded after the rapture of wise virgins, and when the  antichrist is launched to conquer the world after the 7th trumpet.

What you missed: John is in the church age up to and to include the 5th trumpet - the martyrs of the church age. The first seals were opened when Jesus ascended.

WHEN did this verse take place?

Rev. 5:⁶ And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth..

[R. Hartono]

6 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Please allow me to correct: 

That will look like a picnic when the trumpets are sounded after the rapture of wise virgins, and when the  antichrist is launched to conquer the world after the 7th trumpet.

What you missed: John is in the church age up to and to include the 5th trumpet - the martyrs of the church age. The first seals were opened when Jesus ascended.

WHEN did this verse take place?

Rev. 5:⁶ And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth..

If the 1st seal is abt Jesus Ministry John would not weep so much as he knew that already.

Edited April 8, 2021 by R. Hartono

[iamlamad]

On 4/7/2021 at 6:45 PM, R. Hartono said:

If the 1st seal is abt Jesus Ministry John would not weep so much as he knew that already.

Sorry, but this is a mistaken idea. John wept because "no man was found" (at that time) who was worthy to take the book and begin opening the seals. It seems John knew the great importance of getting that book opened. Indeed, it is what is written inside the book that gets Satan kicked off his throne as the god of this world.

By the way, when one is "in the Spirit," knowledge in the flesh may be suspended.

 

You still did not answer the question:

 

WHEN did this verse take place?

Rev. 5:⁶ And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth..

Edited April 10, 2021 by iamlamad

[R. Hartono]

On 4/10/2021 at 11:48 PM, iamlamad said:

Sorry, but this is a mistaken idea. John wept because "no man was found" (at that time) who was worthy to take the book and begin opening the seals. It seems John knew the great importance of getting that book opened. Indeed, it is what is written inside the book that gets Satan kicked off his throne as the god of this world.

By the way, when one is "in the Spirit," knowledge in the flesh may be suspended.

 

You still did not answer the question:

 

WHEN did this verse take place?

Rev. 5:⁶ And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth..

The first seal is antichrist to conquer the world as Jesus had alrdy conquered death.

[iamlamad]

On 8/26/2021 at 8:05 PM, R. Hartono said:

The first seal is antichrist to conquer the world as Jesus had alrdy conquered death.

Sorry, you are mistaken, for several reasons. That first seal was opened as soon as Jesus ascended and took the book into His own hands. 

Second, there is not one word about the first seal that would hint of anything evil.

Third, John used the color white 17 times in this book: every other time to represent righteousness or Godliness. God would NEVER use a word 16 times in one way, they reverse its use one time. We can be sure that the white horse represents Righteousness - so a righteous overcoming - a righteous conquering.

The only righteous entity on earth around 32 AD when Jesus ascended was the infant church. Therefore, without a doubt, this first seal is to represent the church, sent out with the gospel.

Was Satan, the god of this world, just going to step aside and allow the gospel into his kingdoms? Not a chance! That is why there had to be conquering for the gospel to leave Jerusalem. Just look at the Apostle Paul for evidence. 

The next three seals is to represent the devil, Satan, the dragon, trying to stop the advance of the gospel. He was allowed to use war, famine, pestilence and wild beasts. But God limited them in their theater of operations to only 1/4 of the earth.  Of course, this warfare or battle between good and evil as the gospel advanced, caused martyrs. 

Seal five is the first hint of a long time of waiting. It is the martyrs of the church age. They were told that judgment will not start until the final church age martyr is killed.

Seal six starts that judgment that the martyrs were told could not start. Therefore, the final church age martyr was killed just before the 6th seal. Of course, these things are FUTURE: there are still church age martyrs being added to the number. Soon the rapture will end the church age, and Judgment will begin: the Day of the Lord will come.

[R. Hartono]

11 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Sorry, you are mistaken, for several reasons. That first seal was opened as soon as Jesus ascended and took the book into His own hands. 

Second, there is not one word about the first seal that would hint of anything evil.

Third, John used the color white 17 times in this book: every other time to represent righteousness or Godliness. God would NEVER use a word 16 times in one way, they reverse its use one time. We can be sure that the white horse represents Righteousness - so a righteous overcoming - a righteous conquering.

The only righteous entity on earth around 32 AD when Jesus ascended was the infant church. Therefore, without a doubt, this first seal is to represent the church, sent out with the gospel.

Was Satan, the god of this world, just going to step aside and allow the gospel into his kingdoms? Not a chance! That is why there had to be conquering for the gospel to leave Jerusalem. Just look at the Apostle Paul for evidence. 

The next three seals is to represent the devil, Satan, the dragon, trying to stop the advance of the gospel. He was allowed to use war, famine, pestilence and wild beasts. But God limited them in their theater of operations to only 1/4 of the earth.  Of course, this warfare or battle between good and evil as the gospel advanced, caused martyrs. 

Seal five is the first hint of a long time of waiting. It is the martyrs of the church age. They were told that judgment will not start until the final church age martyr is killed.

Seal six starts that judgment that the martyrs were told could not start. Therefore, the final church age martyr was killed just before the 6th seal. Of course, these things are FUTURE: there are still church age martyrs being added to the number. Soon the rapture will end the church age, and Judgment will begin: the Day of the Lord will come.

If the 1st seal is Jesus then its not a prophecy but a look back, not a Revelation of end Times.

Edited August 30, 2021 by R. Hartono