Chrislam

[Guest]

I only just became aware of this! Of Tony Blair's influence in it. 

Anybody heard about this hybrid religion being promoted? 

Seems to be part of a process to change the world order - far fetched though that sounds. 

I have no idea what to think any more. Things are so rapidly moving in this crazy world. 

Our lives, our rights, our humanity are being stripped from us. 

My faith is in Jesus Christ and in Him I trust completely. 

 

 

[leah777]

Do you have a link or any details about this?

[Deborah_]

https://www.gotquestions.org/Chrislam.html

Chrislam is a blend of Christianity and Islam that apparently started in Nigeria in the 1970s.

So I don't see that Tony Blair can have had anything to do with it.

Of course the idea appeals to those who want to promote interfaith movements.

I once had a Muslim colleague who believed that Christianity and Islam were essentially the same (but naturally, where they differed it was Islam that was true!) It's not a "new world order" - it's a well-meaning error promoted by people who don't know enough about either Christianity or Islam.

[Guest]

Blair is definitely involved in promoting it- look at Google. So is Bill Gates. 

[R. Hartono]

1 hour ago, Deborah_ said:

https://www.gotquestions.org/Chrislam.html

Chrislam is a blend of Christianity and Islam that apparently started in Nigeria in the 1970s.

So I don't see that Tony Blair can have had anything to do with it.

Of course the idea appeals to those who want to promote interfaith movements.

I once had a Muslim colleague who believed that Christianity and Islam were essentially the same (but naturally, where they differed it was Islam that was true!) It's not a "new world order" - it's a well-meaning error promoted by people who don't know enough about either Christianity or Islam.

Pope has invited Arab prayer in Vat a few years ago, its been prepared.

[Deborah_]

1 hour ago, Melinda12 said:

Blair is definitely involved in promoting it- look at Google. So is Bill Gates. 

I've looked, and what I find is old stuff (2010, even 2005!) and stuff pumped out by wolf-crying websites that give you 'soundbite' quotes that are never put in context. 

Even if Tony Blair has been promoting Chrislam, he doesn't seem to be achieving very much.

And Bill Gates seems to get blamed for absolutely everything. The more I hear, the less of it I believe. 

[David1701]

3 hours ago, Deborah_ said:

I've looked, and what I find is old stuff (2010, even 2005!) and stuff pumped out by wolf-crying websites that give you 'soundbite' quotes that are never put in context. 

Even if Tony Blair has been promoting Chrislam, he doesn't seem to be achieving very much.

And Bill Gates seems to get blamed for absolutely everything. The more I hear, the less of it I believe. 

Here's something straight from the horse's mouth - a few extracts from an address that Tony Blair himself gave, in 2019.  It's not about Chrislam as such, but it is about ending exclusivism in religion (which would mean that the Lord Jesus Christ could not be promoted as the only way to God).

"Secondly, the research of my Institute has found religious intolerance starts with the education systems of many countries, formal and informal, where either the practices or teaching, even the curriculum, promote a closed and bigoted view of the world in which other faiths are de-legitimised or disparaged."

"And the programme of my Institute – Generation Global – which links up children and students of different faiths and now operates in 30 countries shows clearly that early education works to promote tolerance.

But such thinking should be a part of any modern education curriculum. This is not teaching young people to be religious; but to be culturally aware.

I believe there would be widespread support for such a Commitment. Even those countries with obvious problems in their education system, would welcome it as a means of forcing the more resistant elements within to accept change."

"So, my plea today is very straightforward: it is to give the fight for religious freedom its proper priority. Not peripheral but central; not a fight left to NGOs but taken up by Governments; and not Governments left to campaign on their own but joined together in one effective global movement."

 https://institute.global/policy/tony-blair-speech-2019-ministerial-advance-religious-freedom

The NWO (or "Third Way", as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair liked to call it) is clearly the agenda here - creating a one world religion, in which people can keep different views, as long as they treat other religious beliefs as being legitimate as well.

Edited August 3, 2020 by David1701

[Deborah_]

52 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Here's something straight from the horse's mouth - a few extracts from an address that Tony Blair himself gave, in 2019.  It's not about Chrislam as such, but it is about ending exclusivism in religion (which would mean that the Lord Jesus Christ could not be promoted as the only way to God).

"Secondly, the research of my Institute has found religious intolerance starts with the education systems of many countries, formal and informal, where either the practices or teaching, even the curriculum, promote a closed and bigoted view of the world in which other faiths are de-legitimised or disparaged."

"And the programme of my Institute – Generation Global – which links up children and students of different faiths and now operates in 30 countries shows clearly that early education works to promote tolerance.

But such thinking should be a part of any modern education curriculum. This is not teaching young people to be religious; but to be culturally aware.

I believe there would be widespread support for such a Commitment. Even those countries with obvious problems in their education system, would welcome it as a means of forcing the more resistant elements within to accept change."

"So, my plea today is very straightforward: it is to give the fight for religious freedom its proper priority. Not peripheral but central; not a fight left to NGOs but taken up by Governments; and not Governments left to campaign on their own but joined together in one effective global movement."

 https://institute.global/policy/tony-blair-speech-2019-ministerial-advance-religious-freedom

The NWO (or "Third Way", as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair liked to call it) is clearly the agenda here - creating a one world religion, in which people can keep different views, as long as they treat other religious beliefs as being legitimate as well.

Do you mean to say that you oppose religious freedom? Of course it's legitimate to hold differing religious beliefs! What's the alternative - to force people to convert to Christianity? Just as Muslims would love to force Christians to convert to Islam?

That's not at all the same as saying that all religions lead to God. It's saying that people must be free to make the wrong choices, if they insist.

[David1701]

26 minutes ago, Deborah_ said:

Do you mean to say that you oppose religious freedom? Of course it's legitimate to hold differing religious beliefs! What's the alternative - to force people to convert to Christianity? Just as Muslims would love to force Christians to convert to Islam?

That's not at all the same as saying that all religions lead to God. It's saying that people must be free to make the wrong choices, if they insist.

If you think that is the import of TB's address, then you have not understood it at all.

You are reading your thinking into the article; but the whole thrust of it is to remove the exclusiveness of any religion.  The children are being taught that all opinions are valid, just different; that all religions are valid, just different, etc.

If we preach that Jesus is the only Saviour, then that, by definition, makes all other religions illegitimate and it disparages them.  It is precisely this kind of thinking that they want to remove.

[Deborah_]

20 minutes ago, David1701 said:

If you think that is the import of TB's address, then you have not understood it at all.

You are reading your thinking into the article; but the whole thrust of it is to remove the exclusiveness of any religion.  The children are being taught that all opinions are valid, just different; that all religions are valid, just different, etc.

If we preach that Jesus is the only Saviour, then that, by definition, makes all other religions illegitimate and it disparages them.  It is precisely this kind of thinking that they want to remove.

I could also say that you are reading your thinking into the article...

What on earth do you expect secular schools to teach? They can't privilege one religion over another, nor can we ask them to do our evangelism for us. It's up to us to teach our children what we believe - that Jesus is the only way - but when in school they need to learn what people of other religions believe in a hopefully neutral environment.  

This cuts both ways (and Tony Blair referred to other countries, not just the UK). What about religious education in Muslim and Hindu countries - often far more disparaging and de-legitimising to Christianity than we are to Islam and Hinduism? Religious freedom must apply to all religions equally, otherwise it isn't freedom.

Religious tolerance means allowing others to believe and practise their faith without persecuting them. It means allowing people to convert from one faith to another without fear of the consequences. It doesn't mean that we have to agree with everything they believe or that we don't try to evangelise them. In fact, an atmosphere of openness and tolerance should make it easier to talk about Jesus and what we believe.