JERUSALEM IS FALLING

[Montana Marv]

30 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Try answering this question, 

Ex 33:20, says that no one can see His face in His glory and live.

So if Jesus returned to this planet in His glory,

Every human life on this planet would end.

So how is it possible that He returns in His glory, as some say, to rule in His glory, on planet earth? Every human would die. 

Can you answer?

All of them.

Ex 33:20 has to do with Sin.  As long as there is Sin, there is a barrier.  But after Death and Hades has been cast into the Lake of Fire and there is a New heaven and a New earth and the New Jerusalem has descended upon this earth.  All have Christ like bodies.  Rev 21:5 - He who was seated on the Throne said. "I am making everything new". 21:3 - Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them.  They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

All will die.  Again False  Zech 12:10b - They will look on me, the one who they have pierced, and they will mourn. (not die)  On that day there will be no light, no cold, no frost.  When evening comes there will be light.  Onset of the Mill.  The Lord will be king over the whole earth.  On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the ONLY name.  Zech 14:16 - Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty and celebrate the Feast of tabernacles.  This proves you wrong.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

 

[abcdef]

30 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

All of them.

Ex 33:20 has to do with Sin.  As long as there is Sin, there is a barrier.

agree

 

30 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

  But after Death and Hades has been cast into the Lake of Fire and there is a New heaven and a New earth and the New Jerusalem has descended upon this earth.

No, this material planet Earth and material heaven universe, fly away at the judgment throne in Rev 20:11.

After the material is gone, everything is spirit.

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Think about this,

God the Father is the new living "heavens"

Jesus is the new living "earth"  

The kingdom is the new living city, spiritual Jerusalem.

The spiritual Jerusalem is completely surrounded by God, and in the heart of God.

There is no material universe, no dark void of space as we know it now.

There is no night there, no darkness, shadows, changing.

We become one with Jesus, in His unspeakable glory. 

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This material universe will have lost it's purpose.

God does not change, He is the same everyday (love),

But this material universe does.

That is why this planet and universe must fly away, because they are not "unchanging" as the eternal state of God is.

 

30 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

  All have Christ like bodies.  Rev 21:5 - He who was seated on the Throne said. "I am making everything new". 21:3 - Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them.  They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God." 

Yes, after death is destroyed, but not on this material planet.

 

30 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

All will die.  Again False  Zech 12:10b - They will look on me, the one who they have pierced, and they will mourn. (not die)

This scripture is about the death of Jesus in 33 AD, it is not future.

In John 19:36-37, 36, it absolutely confirms that the scripture was fulfilled at that time.

 

30 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

  On that day there will be no light, no cold, no frost.  When evening comes there will be light.  Onset of the Mill. 

Why is it the onset of the mill?

 

30 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

The Lord will be king over the whole earth.  On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the ONLY name.

This is true now.

The true spiritual Israel, the people of the new Pentecost covenant kingdom, they worship Jesus only, there is no other name.

The earth spoken of here is not the planet earth, but the earth of the believers, the spiritual earth, as shown in Heb 12:18-23, and Rev 13:11.

 

30 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

  Zech 14:16 - Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty and celebrate the Feast of tabernacles. 

This proves you wrong.

In Christ

Montana Marv

In heaven yes, but not on this planet.

 

[Montana Marv]

12 hours ago, abcdef said:

agree

 

No, this material planet Earth and material heaven universe, fly away at the judgment throne in Rev 20:11.

After the material is gone, everything is spirit.

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Think about this,

God the Father is the new living "heavens"

Jesus is the new living "earth"  

The kingdom is the new living city, spiritual Jerusalem.

The spiritual Jerusalem is completely surrounded by God, and in the heart of God.

There is no material universe, no dark void of space as we know it now.

There is no night there, no darkness, shadows, changing.

We become one with Jesus, in His unspeakable glory. 

----

This material universe will have lost it's purpose.

God does not change, He is the same everyday (love),

But this material universe does.

That is why this planet and universe must fly away, because they are not "unchanging" as the eternal state of God is.

 

Yes, after death is destroyed, but not on this material planet.

 

This scripture is about the death of Jesus in 33 AD, it is not future.

In John 19:36-37, 36, it absolutely confirms that the scripture was fulfilled at that time.

 

Why is it the onset of the mill?

 

This is true now.

The true spiritual Israel, the people of the new Pentecost covenant kingdom, they worship Jesus only, there is no other name.

The earth spoken of here is not the planet earth, but the earth of the believers, the spiritual earth, as shown in Heb 12:18-23, and Rev 13:11.

 

In heaven yes, but not on this planet.

 

I rest my case.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[iamlamad]

13 hours ago, abcdef said:

agree

 

No, this material planet Earth and material heaven universe, fly away at the judgment throne in Rev 20:11.

After the material is gone, everything is spirit.

----

Think about this,

God the Father is the new living "heavens"

Jesus is the new living "earth"  

The kingdom is the new living city, spiritual Jerusalem.

The spiritual Jerusalem is completely surrounded by God, and in the heart of God.

There is no material universe, no dark void of space as we know it now.

There is no night there, no darkness, shadows, changing.

We become one with Jesus, in His unspeakable glory. 

----

This material universe will have lost it's purpose.

God does not change, He is the same everyday (love),

But this material universe does.

That is why this planet and universe must fly away, because they are not "unchanging" as the eternal state of God is.

 

Yes, after death is destroyed, but not on this material planet.

 

This scripture is about the death of Jesus in 33 AD, it is not future.

In John 19:36-37, 36, it absolutely confirms that the scripture was fulfilled at that time.

 

Why is it the onset of the mill?

 

This is true now.

The true spiritual Israel, the people of the new Pentecost covenant kingdom, they worship Jesus only, there is no other name.

The earth spoken of here is not the planet earth, but the earth of the believers, the spiritual earth, as shown in Heb 12:18-23, and Rev 13:11.

 

In heaven yes, but not on this planet.

 

One might wonder what planet you are on.

[abcdef]

Brothers and Sisters, Friends,

 

Now I am going to challenge you.

This challenge is so easy that a child could do it, but will be too hard for some of you.

Just a few simple words, but some will refuse to speak them.

A simple request, that some will not do.

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But first,

God bless you for believing that Jesus died and rose from the grave.

God bless you for believing in the resurrection.

God bless you for believing that Jesus confirmed His word to Adam, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Moses and the Prophets.

God bless you for your love of God's Word, the scriptures.

God bless you for sharing your faith and witnessing to others.

God bless you for your courage against false teachings.

God bless you for the harvest of souls that you have brought to Jesus.

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Now the challenge,

The next time that you are in prayer,

The next time you are in the worship service, filled with the Holy Spirit,

The next time that you are in the quiet of your study with your Bible open,

Do this,

Ask Jesus, say these words,

Lord Jesus, this abcdef guy, is he telling the truth or not?

If he is, show me,

If he is not, show me that too.

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Perhaps, if you will not believe me,

Then maybe you will believe Him.

 

 

[abcdef]

Jerusalem is falling,

Jesus is calling,

Into the Ark,

Into the Ark,

Gather the harvest,

Into the Ark of Jesus.

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Ok, you know how prophecy works, right?

Long before the events that are shown take place, the prophecies are made.

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Right now, many believe that Jerusalem will not fall.

But even pretrib says that Jerusalem falls midtrib.

Some even say that it falls mid trib and at the end of a 7 year trib.

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Among the most terrible mistakes that are being made by pretribs is that there is a time for salvation after the resur/rapt happens.

It is not recognized that when Jesus comes for the kingdom that this planet is destroyed by fire.

There will be no second chances.

All the souls that say, "I will just wait to become a Christian until after the resur/rapt when I have proof that the Bible is true".

Delaying and Loosing their souls because of a false teaching.

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The 7th/last trumpet is not halfway through the time of the end,

It is the end.

There is only a planet of fire with no human life after the trumpet.

 

[abcdef]

Not long from now, we will be standing in front of the throne.

And you may say to me,

"Why didn't you scream and holler at me, jump up and down, and make me listen, make me understand?"

And I will say the same thing that I will say to you now,

"What is it that I could say or do to have you understand?"

And you will say, "Nothing, there was nothing that you could have said or done to make me understand, because I was so sure that I knew the truth that I would not have an open mind and listen."

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So this is the answer,

Maybe no one will understand until Jerusalem is falling.

Maybe no one will see until Israel loses in the battle of Armageddon.

Then it will be too late to save souls, if you haven't born fruit already.

It will be too late to get more oil for your gospel Holy Spirit lamp.

The door to the Ark of Jesus will be shut, forever.

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This is the call,

The Bridegroom is Coming, Wake up, wake up!

Jerusalem is restored to Israel!

The armies from across the Euphrates are the winds of destruction headed for Jerusalem!

The armies of Magog are assembling to cross the broad plain to Jerusalem!

After Jerusalem falls the Bridegroom will come for the kingdom!

Then this planet will be destroyed by fire!

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Wake up!

He is at the door!

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, abcdef said:

Not long from now, we will be standing in front of the throne.

And you may say to me,

"Why didn't you scream and holler at me, jump up and down, and make me listen, make me understand?"

And I will say the same thing that I will say to you now,

"What is it that I could say or do to have you understand?"

And you will say, "Nothing, there was nothing that you could have said or done to make me understand, because I was so sure that I knew the truth that I would not have an open mind and listen."

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So this is the answer,

Maybe no one will understand until Jerusalem is falling.

Maybe no one will see until Israel loses in the battle of Armageddon.

Then it will be too late to save souls, if you haven't born fruit already.

It will be too late to get more oil for your gospel Holy Spirit lamp.

The door to the Ark of Jesus will be shut, forever.

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This is the call,

The Bridegroom is Coming, Wake up, wake up!

Jerusalem is restored to Israel!

The armies from across the Euphrates are the winds of destruction headed for Jerusalem!

The armies of Magog are assembling to cross the broad plain to Jerusalem!

After Jerusalem falls the Bridegroom will come for the kingdom!

Then this planet will be destroyed by fire!

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Wake up!

He is at the door!

Patience, my friend. Start at the 5th seal - where the church is now - and notice what has to happen before these things you are saying:

Rapture of the church

6th seal start of the DAY.

7th seal start of the 70th week

first 6 trumpet judgments in the first half of the week.

Second half starts with the abomination

the Beast and FP rise up, and the days of GT begin.

God pours out the vials of His wrath to shorten those days.

All these things have to happen first.

[abcdef]

11 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Patience, my friend. Start at the 5th seal - where the church is now - and notice what has to happen before these things you are saying:

Rapture of the church

6th seal start of the DAY.

7th seal start of the 70th week

first 6 trumpet judgments in the first half of the week.

Second half starts with the abomination

the Beast and FP rise up, and the days of GT begin.

God pours out the vials of His wrath to shorten those days.

All these things have to happen first.

Understand, Jerusalem will fall soon, there is not really time to be patient anymore.

We can resolve these issues.

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Everything that you have listed has already happened except for the resur/rapt.

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You believe that the resur/rapt happens at the 6th seal?

Show me a resur/rapt at the 6th seal.

Show me the scripture in Rev 6:12-17 that indicates a resur/rapt.

I believe that the 6th seal took place at the destruction of Jerusalem in 67-70 AD.

 

[iamlamad]

9 hours ago, abcdef said:

Understand, Jerusalem will fall soon, there is not really time to be patient anymore.

We can resolve these issues.

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Everything that you have listed has already happened except for the resur/rapt.

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You believe that the resur/rapt happens at the 6th seal?

Show me a resur/rapt at the 6th seal.

Show me the scripture in Rev 6:12-17 that indicates a resur/rapt.

I believe that the 6th seal took place at the destruction of Jerusalem in 67-70 AD.

 

Are you denying the book of Revelation? 

Read 1 thes 4 &  5: Paul's rapture: it comes JUST before wrath. 

Where does WRATH start in Revelation? 6th seal

Then as final proof, John saw the raptured church in heaven as the great crowd too large to number just after the 6th seal. 
SO it all does not HAVE to be written in Rev. 6 to be truth. We form docrine from ALL end times scriptures. 

You can be wrong about the timing of the 6th seal. We are not there yet. The church is still at the martyrs: there are still people being murdered because they love Jesus.