JERUSALEM IS FALLING

[douggg]

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

I believe that the passages in Ezek 38-39, were fulfilled long ago. The reason is that the weapons are bows, arrows, spears, etc..

The Magog war of Rev 20 is here now. It will not be fought swords, bows, and arrows.

In the text of Ezekiel 38, Gog/Magog is latter days, latter years.   Ezekiel 38:8, Ezekiel 38:16.

And no mass grave site in Israel of Gog's army, proving that it has not happened yet.

The Revelation 20 referral to Gog/Magog is at the end of the thousand years of Jesus's rule on this present earth, the same nations as before will participate in that final attack upon the camp of the saints, i.e. Israel.     A different event from the latter days, latter years of Ezekiel 38/39.

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

I agree with you that the covenant confirmed in Dan 9 is the OT covenant.

Jesus confirmed the covenant with Israel for 7 years.

He is the prince.

The Dan 9 passage is about the 67-70AD destruction of Jerusalem, not a future event.

While the destruction of the city and temple were the 70 AD event, Jesus is not the one who will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years.    

The confirmation of the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years will be by the little horn>Antichrist>beast person acting on Moses' instructions in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 for all future leaders of Israel.     It will be a big speech from the temple mount.

[douggg]

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

I believe that the passages in Ezek 38-39, were fulfilled long ago. The reason is that the weapons are bows, arrows, spears, etc..

The Magog war of Rev 20 is here now. It will not be fought swords, bows, and arrows.

In the text of Ezekiel 38, Gog/Magog is latter days, latter years.   Ezekiel 38:8, Ezekiel 38:16.

And no mass grave site in Israel of Gog's army, proving that it has not happened yet.

The Revelation 20 referral to Gog/Magog is at the end of the thousand years of Jesus's rule on this present earth, the same nations as before will participate in that final attack upon the camp of the saints, i.e. Israel.     A different event from the latter days, latter years of Ezekiel 38/39.

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

I agree with you that the covenant confirmed in Dan 9 is the OT covenant.

Jesus confirmed the covenant with Israel for 7 years.

He is the prince.

The Dan 9 passage is about the 67-70AD destruction of Jerusalem, not a future event.

While the destruction of the city and temple were the 70 AD event, Jesus is not the one who will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years.    

The confirmation of the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years will be by the little horn>Antichrist>beast person acting on Moses' instructions in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 for all future leaders of Israel.     It will be a big speech from the temple mount.

[douggg]

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by douggg

[douggg]

2 hours ago, abcdef said:

What about Rev 12:6?

Isn't it part of the past of John in the 85-96 AD ish time period?

You believe that vs. 1-5 are in John's recent past in 96 AD.

Wouldn't v 6 be in the same past time period? Showing the 70 AD ish scattering of the woman Israel into the wilderness gentile nations?

Revelation 12:1-5 verses are historic.    The remainder of Revelation 12 is end times, and contain the 7 years.     I address the 7 years being in Revelation 12 and Revelation 7 in this video of mine.

 

 

[Biblican]

13 hours ago, abcdef said:

No? It takes time to study and find the answers for yourself.

In this day and age, few souls do find the time.

 

You are just going to accept everything they say without question because.......?

You don't have the time?

I believe you.

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The book I am referring you to took me six years to write. I work from scratch. When you asked me those questions I was tired and immediately saw the amount of work it would take to answer them properly.  But to summarize them (I've had a good night's sleep), the passages that would refer to the past would be those that relate back to Daniel, Zechariah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel predominately, Rev. thirteen and eleven being two of them. The application to the present would be the admonishments to the churches in chapters two and three and the future would be all the chapters that precede Jesus' second coming in chapter 19 and afterward. I need another nap.

[abcdef]

On 1/17/2021 at 11:40 PM, Josheb said:

Perhaps but the statement in dispute is wrong. Nothing about modern Jerusalem is a fulfillment of prophesy. Nothing. Neither is 1967 relevant prophetically at all. 

 

The rest of the post is irrelevant and it looks like you're not practicing what you preach. 

Perhaps, but this post to which I now reply proves much of it correct and you appear to have done the same. 

 

Neither 1967 nor modern Jerusalem have anything to do with prophesy.

Rom 11:25, "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in."

When was this prophecy fulfilled?

If it has not been fulfilled, then it is future.

If it is future, then there must be an Israel, after the flesh, to fulfill it.

If the unbelieving broken branches are to repent and turn to Jesus, then there must be an unbelieving Israel first, before they can repent.

 

[abcdef]

On 1/18/2021 at 12:42 AM, douggg said:

In the text of Ezekiel 38, Gog/Magog is latter days, latter years.   Ezekiel 38:8, Ezekiel 38:16.

"Latter" just means "later".

In this case, it just means after Ezekiel's time. Not the end of time.

Where we are now.

 

On 1/18/2021 at 12:42 AM, douggg said:

And no mass grave site in Israel of Gog's army, proving that it has not happened yet.

Where are all the other mass graves of those times? The millions of people who died in wars, plagues, and famines? Greek, Persian, Roman, Egyptian, armies and peoples, where are their mass graves?

Turned to dust.

 

On 1/18/2021 at 12:42 AM, douggg said:

 

The Revelation 20 referral to Gog/Magog is at the end of the thousand years of Jesus's rule on this present earth, the same nations as before will participate in that final attack upon the camp of the saints, i.e. Israel.    

This is happening now.

 

On 1/18/2021 at 12:42 AM, douggg said:

 

A different event from the latter days, latter years of Ezekiel 38/39.

Ezek 38/39, Is not describing the details of a conflict that is future to us. The days of bows and arrows are far away history now.

It is still an "image" of the final victory of God over evil, Rev 20. The same as the 7 trumpets of Jericho and other battles that were fought.

It is an image of the Rev 20 battle, not all the same details of the final battle, just an image.

 

On 1/18/2021 at 12:42 AM, douggg said:

 

While the destruction of the city and temple were the 70 AD event, Jesus is not the one who will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years.

Jesus has already confirmed the covenant and fulfilled the prophecy  when He was here, by His death, resurrection, and the bringing the new Holy Spirit covenant kingdom. 

7 years after Jesus began His ministry, Israel rejected the kingdom, the unbelieving branches were broken off, and the gentiles entered in.

It is not the Antichrist who fulfills this, the prince of the people is Jesus. 

It tells us in Dan 9:25 that Jesus is the one who is identified as the Prince Messiah. There is no reason to assume that the identity of the prince changes in the next verse (26).

 

On 1/18/2021 at 12:42 AM, douggg said:

    

The confirmation of the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years will be by the little horn>Antichrist>beast person acting on Moses' instructions in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 for all future leaders of Israel.     It will be a big speech from the temple mount.

 

[abcdef]

On 1/18/2021 at 11:20 AM, Biblican said:

The book I am referring you to took me six years to write. I work from scratch. When you asked me those questions I was tired and immediately saw the amount of work it would take to answer them properly.  But to summarize them (I've had a good night's sleep), the passages that would refer to the past would be those that relate back to Daniel, Zechariah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel predominately, Rev. thirteen and eleven being two of them. The application to the present would be the admonishments to the churches in chapters two and three and the future would be all the chapters that precede Jesus' second coming in chapter 19 and afterward. I need another nap.

Thanks for letting me know. I will be reading it more closely now. May God bless you for your love for the scriptures and sharing them.

Just read what I have to say, you may not agree, but I know that you will enjoy learn from the interaction.

It will give you another perspective to view.

 

[abcdef]

On 1/18/2021 at 12:50 AM, douggg said:

Revelation 12:1-5 verses are historic.    The remainder of Revelation 12 is end times, and contain the 7 years.     I address the 7 years being in Revelation 12 and Revelation 7 in this video of mine.

 

 

Hi douggg,

I watched your video. May God bless you for your love of God's Word. 

Now I will give you a new time line to consider. This time line has only been understood for about 20 years. You won't hear it anywhere else because it is new. I will give you an overview. It is really very simple. 

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The 7 times, are not 7 years. The 7 times are actually over 2500 years.

The 7 times are showing the same time period as the statue of Dan 2, over 2500 years.

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The statue gold begins when Jerusalem falls and the people are taken to Babylon.

The toes end when Jerusalem is restored to the people of Israel and the people return. (1967)

We are in the period after the toes end, and just before the stone strikes.

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The way the pieces fall together is based in Dan 12:7. 

The angel says that it will be 3 1/2 times until the scattering of the power of the holy people is finished.

That happened in 70 AD when Jerusalem fell to Caesar and Rome. Israel was scattered and the power of their testimony was shattered into pieces.

So the angel was saying, that from Babylon until 70 AD was the first 3 1/2 times. The first part of the statue.

Then the second 3 1/2 times, would be from 70 AD until Israel is restored to control of Jerusalem, completing the 7 times and the statue of Dan 2. 

The statue is showing the authority of the gentile nations over the people of Israel. When that authority is ended, Jerusalem is restored to the people of Israel and the toes of the statue end. (The stone is about to strike.)

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The other examples of the 3 1/2 times are focused on the second half of the 7 times, from 70 AD until 1967.

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The iron of the Dan 2 statue is Rome and parallels the 4th beast nation of Dan 7. The statement about the 3 1/2'ts in Dan 7:25 shows that the 4th beast/iron legs/toes, rules the people of Israel for the second 3 1/2'ts, not 3 1/2 years, but centuries, from 70 AD until Jerusalem is restored and the iron toes end, completing the 7 times.

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When the 3 1/2 times are expressed as months or days, they are showing that the time periods are the same, that is, the same amount of time, the second 3 1/2 times.

This is because the two 3 1/2 periods, that make up the 7 times are not the same length. The first 3 1/2 times, from Babylon until 70 AD, is a much shorter time than the second 3 1/2 'ts from 70 AD until the restoration of Jerusalem.

When expressed as days or months in the Revelation, this is to show that the text is referring to the 2nd 3 1/2 and not the first 3 1/2'ts.

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The Antichrist who the rules the people of Israel from 70 AD until 1967 is Caesar and the Bishop of Rome.

The 2 entities are united in Caesar worship. Man is God. There is only one Holy Father and He is in heaven, how dare any man, call himself Holy Father. He is the false prophet.

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The two witness Rev 11, and the woman in the wilderness Rev 12, are both focused the second 3 1/2 times from 70 AD until 1967. 

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This theory is also based on 1 Cor 15:23-28, which states that there are only 2 resurrections.

1st resurrection, Jesus and the OT saints.

2nd resurrection, those who are His, the kingdom resur/rapt.

Then it is the end, no more resurrections after Jesus comes for the kingdom.

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[douggg]

2 hours ago, abcdef said:

The Antichrist who the rules the people of Israel from 70 AD until 1967 is Caesar and the Bishop of Rome.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

 

The Antichrist....

Bishop of Rome?

or

King of Israel, coming in his own name?

Edited January 19, 2021 by douggg