JERUSALEM IS FALLING

[Justin Adams]

6 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Revelation is a book in question as well. Readers keep in mind, the same man that wrote John 3 wrote Revelation!

The Greek and syntax is quite different in Rev from the other books attributed to John.

[Sister]

8 hours ago, iamlamad said:

This is something everyone should know! Where will Jesus return and touch down at? He, the Beast, is coming as if he is the long awaited messiah - so of course he will come to the same city. 

Dan. 11:⁴⁵ And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

He will touch down at the same place he used take his apostles and where he went for privacy to pray.  The same mountain where he was captured, is where he will return to.  The Mt of Olives.

[Sister]

 Zechariah 14:4   And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

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On 3/13/2021 at 11:15 AM, Justin Adams said:

He is no more a preterist than I am a girl.

The anti-my-ideas is very strong. Revelation is a book in question as well. I tend to think Daniel is more relevant and most of that is past. A done deal. So I do not worry overmuch since my ten cents worth will not change the realities anyway.

Side note: allegory, and symbol is just as real as anything else. How can we mortals understand the visions of another person anyway? 
We are told to wait and not set dates.
Already there has been enough date changing and perversion to scripture and when it comes the Augustine and the RCC, well that takes the cake for making changes. They get the first prize for the most scrambling of the scriptures that I have witnessed. And the 'reformers' get second prize!

 

There is a question, that people have thought about, for 1900 years, since 70 AD,

Will the people of Israel, be restored to control of Jerusalem?

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This is the question that, Dan 2, the NT, and the Revelation answers, over and over again. The prophecy has come true since 1967. The control of Jerusalem was the final piece of completing of the restoration process.

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In Dan. 2, the statue begins when Israel is taken to Babylon. 

The statue is completed when the people of Israel are restored to Jerusalem and the toes end.

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This story of the people of Israel is repeated over and over in the Revelation.

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The seals and trumpets, the scroll/book of Rev 10:8,

Seals, the seals begin in 37 AD when Israel rejected the gospel kingdom and end after the 70 AD destruction of the 6th seal and 7th seal of completion.

The trumpets, the trumpets begin after Jerusalem falls until Jesus comes for the kingdom at the 7th trumpet. That is the end of the story of the scroll.

So the scroll and trumpets are one continual time line that show what happens to the unbelieving broken flesh branches until and after they are restored to Jerusalem.

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The 2 witnesses Rev 11, begins in 37 AD (the temple is measured), and ends at the rapt/resur. when Jesus comes for the kingdom, after Jerusalem has been restored.

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The woman of Rev 12 is Israel, the story begins when the dragon nation invades Israel and tries to kill the infant Jesus, Herod.

The story ends when the woman completes her time in the wilderness and returns home to Jerusalem, 1967.

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Rev 13, shows the beast nation that keeps the woman from returning to Jerusalem. The iron nation in Dan. 2.

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Rev 14, the first resurrection, then the grapes of Israel suffer as long as they are outside the city.

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Rev 15 & 16, the same time line, 70 AD until the final event (the stone strikes Dan. 2), except the story centers on the beast nation.

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Rev 17-18, The unbelieving flesh broken branches people of Israel and the beast nation from 70 AD until the time of domination ends with the restoration of Jerusalem.

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Rev 19, The gospel sword fights the Roman beast.

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Rev 20, The 1st resurrection Jesus and OT saints (1 Cor 15:23-24), Ends at the 2nd resurrection after restored Jerusalem (1967) is surrounded.

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The restoration of Jerusalem has been a question for centuries, well, the question has been answered and prophecy fulfilled in our life time.

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The trouble is, that if you look at the events that take place concerning the restoration of Jerusalem, it shows that enemies have Jerusalem surrounded.

 

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On 3/17/2021 at 11:01 AM, Eternally Gratefull said:

How can this be true?

It is a different timeline of events that has not before been fully understood.

 

On 3/17/2021 at 11:01 AM, Eternally Gratefull said:

when did the tribulation start?

The full time of the times of the gentiles, the trib, is the same as the statue in Dan. 2.

The NT is involved with the 2nd part of the statue, from 70 AD until Jerusalem is restored to the people of Israel. 

So the trib that Jesus is talks about in Matt 24 concerns the trouble of the 70 AD fall of Jerusalem and the events that take place after that until Jerusalem is restored.

 

On 3/17/2021 at 11:01 AM, Eternally Gratefull said:

When did the 70th week start

The 70th week started when Jesus began His ministry, say about 30 AD ish.

The 70th week ended when Israel rejected the Pentecost gospel kingdom in 37 AD and the gentiles were allowed into the kingdom.

Jesus confirmed the covenant with Israel, the promises of the OT, for 7 years.

Rom 15:8, "Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:".

 

On 3/17/2021 at 11:01 AM, Eternally Gratefull said:

When did the abomination of desolation occur?

Before the temple was destroyed in 70 AD ish.

 

On 3/17/2021 at 11:01 AM, Eternally Gratefull said:

How can jersualem. Which we are told in daniel will lie desolate until the end of the 70th week, be more destroyed? It lies desolate today, The dome of the rock, and the city is still in sin

The dome of the rock is under the control of the military of Israel. 

Military control of the city is all that is required to say that Jerusalem is restored.

 

On 3/17/2021 at 11:01 AM, Eternally Gratefull said:

finally, How can it be destroyed marking the end, when we are told after the 70th week. God will restor Isreal and he will personally rule in jerusalem for a thousand years?

Jesus will not personally reign in planet earth Jerusalem for 1000 years in the future.

The reason is, that Jesus will be in His glory, and anyone who sees His face will die.

Ex 33:20

[Eternally Gratefull]

1 hour ago, abcdef said:

It is a different timeline of events that has not before been fully understood.

 

The full time of the times of the gentiles, the trib, is the same as the statue in Dan. 2.

The NT is involved with the 2nd part of the statue, from 70 AD until Jerusalem is restored to the people of Israel. 

So the trib that Jesus is talks about in Matt 24 concerns the trouble of the 70 AD fall of Jerusalem and the events that take place after that until Jerusalem is restored.

 

The 70th week started when Jesus began His ministry, say about 30 AD ish.

The 70th week ended when Israel rejected the Pentecost gospel kingdom in 37 AD and the gentiles were allowed into the kingdom.

Jesus confirmed the covenant with Israel, the promises of the OT, for 7 years.

Rom 15:8, "Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:".

 

Before the temple was destroyed in 70 AD ish.

 

The dome of the rock is under the control of the military of Israel. 

Military control of the city is all that is required to say that Jerusalem is restored.

 

Jesus will not personally reign in planet earth Jerusalem for 1000 years in the future.

The reason is, that Jesus will be in His glory, and anyone who sees His face will die.

Ex 33:20

Jesus said the tribulation would start after the abomination in f desolation f Dan 9

 

that was to occur in the middle of the 70th week, 

 

it also was said to be greater than any tribulation before or after (WW1 plus WW2 made 70 Ad look like a picnic,

 

also many f the things of the final beast have yet to occure. 
 

Can you explain these things?

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On 3/17/2021 at 12:52 PM, Biblican said:

The living waters that flow out from Jerusalem in Zechariah represent the Holy Spirit

Zech 14:8, This we agree on.

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When did the waters of the Holy Spirit begin to flow from Jerusalem? Wasn't it when the Pentecost kingdom began?

Perhaps you are still thinking that the "living waters" are turned into some kind of material waters like the oceans, or are associating them with material waters.

The living waters of God's love and continual blessings begin at God's throne and the river of life flows out to all creation. Without this continual flow, all creation would die.

The living Holy Spirit waters flow through God's Word, which flows through Israel, to the souls of people and brings eternal life, the gospel.

There are several places where the waters in the prophetic imagery that tell us that sometimes the waters are people. Rev 17:15, Isa 8:5-8.

So the seas that the living waters flow to could be imagery of the Holy Spirit Pentecost gospel kingdom flowing to the gentile nations, beginning in the 37 AD ish period.

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Jesus already stepped on the mount in 33 AD. After that time the prophecy concerning Zech 14:1-2, comes to pass in 70 AD.

The holy mountain is Jerusalem Dan 9:16.

In the 70 AD time period, when Jerusalem falls, there are 3 groups.

1. Those who are killed. (they are not cut off from the city and are left there.)

2. Those who are taken as slaves.

3. Those who flee.

The dividing of the mount shows #2, the slaves from Jerusalem being taken away into the gentile nations.

Those who flee (v 5) through the valley are those who ran from the 70 AD destruction. They believed what Jesus said.

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If this is Jesus coming to save Jerusalem in the future, why are the people running away from Jesus on the mount into the gentile nations?

They would be running towards Jesus for safety.

Wouldn't Jesus be able to stop a war and eliminate His enemies in an instant?

But this is not what these verses Zech 14:1-5, are showing.

 

On 3/17/2021 at 12:52 PM, Biblican said:

that the Lord sends to restore the oceans that have literally been depleted of oxygen for the sea will have become as a "dead man" without oxygen Rev. 16:3.  We see here that the Bible predicts the oxygenless dead zones we have today in the oceans long before people knew they existed. That is symbolism with a literal explanation. The elimination of fish is a sign of God's judgment Hosea 4:3, which is further evidence of the dead zone prophecy, fish can't live in water that is devoid of oxygen. Today we are seeing massive amounts of dead fish being washed up all over the world and the scientists can't explain the cause. Most likely it is that the fish have encountered one of those ever expanding dead zones.

Jesus  will not return to planet earth except to take possession of the kingdom.

Any one who sees the face of Jesus in His glory will die, Ex 33:20.

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The idea that Jesus will "renew" the planet earth is not supported by scripture.

The images used to support this concept are usually describing the relationship between Jesus, the indwelling gift of the Holy Spirit Pentecost kingdom, and the souls of people during the time of the kingdom on planet earth.

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The earth, seas, rivers, and heavens of the trumpets and vials, are images of the creation Rev 14:7.

The trumpets apply to the unbelieving broken branches of Israel, who suffer the withdrawing of God's blessings of protection after 70 AD.

The vials apply to the people of the beast nation, also after 70 AD.

Both are showing the result of the rejection of the Pentecost gospel kingdom by the souls of people, who should know better, putting guilt on their souls.

The result of this rejection is the blessing flow from the throne of God and the river of life becomes polluted with the blood of Israel and their souls are tormented.

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It might be explained like this,

Since the flow of blessings, that leads to a gospel relationship with God/Jesus and eternal life, flows through Israel, when you diminish Israel, you diminish the knowledge that leads to eternal life.

So even though these people who kill Israel, may be seeking eternal life, they are killing the very people who can bring the knowledge of a living relationship with Jesus/God to them.

That is, the blood from the murders, corrupts the flow of blessings from God's throne.

The Rev 14:7 creation, earth, seas, rivers, and heavens are the complete creation. When the consequences of the sins are effected, there is no place to escape from them, they include all creation. (trumpets/vials) Where ever the people of Israel and the beast nation are.

 

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On 3/20/2021 at 8:34 PM, iamlamad said:

I used to think all this was so important, but I am beginning to think that we are all (or should be) brothers and sisters in Christ, and it does not matter on our differences: what matters is we all love Jesus and are commanded to love one another. 

Yes

 

On 3/20/2021 at 8:34 PM, iamlamad said:

I believe those left behind will see the 70th week start and finish, (if they survive) and they will then understand.

Matt 24:40-41,

The one who is taken, is taken by Rome as a slave. 

The one who is left, is dead, killed by Rome.

Lk 17:37, "And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."

 

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On 3/20/2021 at 8:43 PM, iamlamad said:

This is something everyone should know! Where will Jesus return and touch down at?

Jesus will never set foot on this planet again.

 

On 3/20/2021 at 8:43 PM, iamlamad said:

He, the Beast, is coming as if he is the long awaited messiah - so of course he will come to the same city. 

The beast nation is Rome. Caesar destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD ish.

The Roman Caesar beast has now returned to sit on his throne in Rome.

From Rome he is deceiving and manipulating the end of Israel.

He doesn't conquer Jerusalem, he deceives the kings of the east into doing it for him.

 

On 3/20/2021 at 8:43 PM, iamlamad said:

 

Dan. 11:⁴⁵ And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

This is spoken of Antiochus the Greek, and not some future person.

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16 hours ago, Sister said:

He will touch down at the same place he used take his apostles and where he went for privacy to pray.  The same mountain where he was captured, is where he will return to.  The Mt of Olives.

Anyone who sees the face of Jesus in His glory will die. Ex 33:20.