No rapture! Mt 24

[Markesmith]

Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

³⁰ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

³¹ And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

after the second coming He gathers the elect!

[Montana Marv]

3 hours ago, Markesmith said:

Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

³⁰ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

³¹ And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

after the second coming He gathers the elect!

Many of these elect got to the heavens at the rapture 7 years before. Harpozo. Christ never touched the ground. We go up to meet Him in the air.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Markesmith]

What does harpozo mean?

is that a derogatory remark?

am I supposed to be a cross between Groucho‘s brother and bozo?

[Jayne]

4 minutes ago, Markesmith said:

What does harpozo mean?

is that a derogatory remark?

am I supposed to be a cross between Groucho‘s brother and bozo?

Harpazo - Greek for "to pull, pluck, carry away, catch"

It's the rapture.  Different from the second coming.

The saved - the dead in Christ and the living Christians will be "harpazoed" by Christ.  The lost will be left behind.  Read 2 Thessalonians.  [It's short]

The the Great Tribulation occurs.  Millions upon millions will be saved says Revelation.  The 144,000 and the two witness will be the evangelists.

Those will be with Christ at his second coming at the end of those seven years.  We will return with him.  Christ will rule and reign on the earth for 1,000 years with all Christians - those he brings back with him and the new Christians - elect from the Tribulation.

 

[Markesmith]

No rapture 

2 thes says Christians are left behind

 

^{1 thes 4:17} Then we which are alive and remain

2 thes 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

we gather unto Him after He comes?

 

[Markesmith]

¹⁶ For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

¹⁷ Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

 

^{Matt 24:30} And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

³¹ And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

second coming first then the trumpet then angels gather the elect! No rapture!

[Markesmith]

The rapture ain’t biblical!

it was invented in the burned over district in the 19th century

[seeking the lost]

1 hour ago, Markesmith said:

¹⁶ For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

¹⁷ Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

 

^{Matt 24:30} And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

³¹ And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

second coming first then the trumpet then angels gather the elect! No rapture!

There is a rapture as defined by 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4.

1 Cor 15:51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

1 Thess. 4:13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

These are the primary texts for the rapture.  Both of these texts require that the resurrection of the dead in Christ comes before the rapture.  The resurrection of the dead in Christ is at the last day.  We find that resurrection at the end of the thousand years.  The purpose of the rapture is not to take us out of the world but to take us to a new heaven and a new earth.

I would agree with you that there is not a rapture of the church before this time.  Jesus taught that the wheat and the tares would grow together until the end.  The tares are taken out first.  A pre resurrection rapture turns that around.  The wheat is not taken out first.

[Markesmith]

The last trumpet happens after the second coming! Sorry no rapture! The rapture ain’t biblical!

it was invented in the burned over district of nuts like Amy simpleton McPherson 

[Markesmith]

This theory (rapture) grew out of the translations of the Bible that John Nelson Darby analyzed in 1833

novelty! Not apostolic! 
nobody heard of it for 1800 years