PETER AND PAUL

[Jedi4Yahweh]

18 minutes ago, Don19 said:

Rom 8:9:

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Paul calls his gospel "my gospel" (Rom 2:16); Peter didn't preach Paul's "my gospel" in Acts 2.

Listen what Messiah told his apostles:

And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of ALL NATIONS (Jew and Gentile), baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe ALL that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age." - Mat 28:18-20 ESV

He did not say go teach Jews one way and teach the Gentiles a different way.  No, he said go teach ALL NATIONS to observer (Keep) what I have commanded you.

If your gospel is different than what Messiah commanded then your following a false gospel.  

[Your closest friendnt]

 

 

10 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Listen what Messiah told his apostles:

And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of ALL NATIONS (Jew and Gentile), baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe ALL that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age." - Mat 28:18-20 ESV

He did not say go teach Jews one way and teach the Gentiles a different way.  No, he said go teach ALL NATIONS to observer (Keep) what I have commanded you.

If your gospel is different than what Messiah commanded then your following a false gospel.  

There must be one Gospel for all...

"The Son of God who takes away the sin of the world "...

"The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world "

"From the beginning God's plan was to have children through Jesus Christ..." in the name of Jesus Christ...

Is this the Gospel Jesus Christ commanded his disciples to preach? 

Fifty days had pass from the day of the condemnation of Jesus Christ, and his death on the Cross..

We read how Jesus Christ gathered his disciples back to him and not just the twelve...and he continued to teach and explain a handful of things...till the day of his ascension....

We do not have a daily journal..

[douge]

44 minutes ago, Josheb said:

18 hours ago, douge said:

Only Paul says that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and rose for our justification.

That too would be a Fail. 

1 Peter 3:18-22
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;  in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,  who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.  Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,  who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him."

The KJV does not say all in 1 Peter 3:18

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Christ died for the new testament for the sins of Israel, but as I said Paul revealed it was applied for all.

[douge]

57 minutes ago, Josheb said:

18 hours ago, douge said:

None of the verses given say anything about being justified by the cross.

Fail. You just moved the goalposts. I was asked specifically show you, and I quote you, "a verse where Jesus or Peter say the gospel hinges on his death, burial and resurrection," and I did exactly that. 

All these verses only speak to Israel of believing on Christ, believing on his name.

The twelve did not understand when he spoke of his death and resurrection, which was to redeem Israel (Mark 9:32) so how could they preach it for salvation as does Paul.

[Don19]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

False equivalency. It has been demonstrated - repeatedly - they taught the same things. Peter did preach the same gospel in Acts 2; he preached Christ resurrected and enthroned, the prophesies of Joel and David fulfilled. 

Of course Peter preached that. And that’s Paul’s gospel, too. The difference, as I’ve pointed out repeatedly, is in the role of water baptism. I don’t know why this is so difficult to accept. 

[TheBlade]

Douge the only way your view works and this can apply to many of your posts is if we take the 12 and Christ and keep them on the earth still alive vs Paul where Christ has died rose AMEN PRAISE GOD GLORY TO JESUS.

The problem here is how your looking at all this. Hindsight is 2020. When they walked this earth there was no NT. All they had was the Torah and no one had that in their backpack.

And posting what 16 verses some out of context and you think you made some case for "different gospels"? Matt-John was not written until what 66-1110AD.  You think they were during that time only talking to Israel? I think we know different. Salvation is not of this earth. Not going to be in heaven and say..ooh look there's the Americans, the Chinese etc. The new man is not flesh its spirit. That spirit is not of this earth. One body.. Christ is the head. And since we are grafted in...every promise made to Israel is ours also. The WORLD being saved is always what GOD wanted.

Just playing now.. "Peter and the twelve preached the gospel of the earthly kingdom. " so theres 13 now? If just the twelve.. whos the 12th? Judas is back?

[Don19]

3 hours ago, Josheb said:

I don't know why it's so difficult to accept water baptism is not the gospel. 

Water baptism is not Paul’s gospel. It was Peter’s. The promise of the Spirit required water baptism prior to Acts 10. The promise of the Spirit is salvation itself- Gal 3:14, Rom 8:9. And Peter preached water baptism. How can you deny Peter conditioned the gift of the Spirit on water baptism?
 

Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

Please don’t tell me you think the word “for” here means, “with a view towards” or “because of” or “in consideration of”!

But thanks be to God we receive the Spirit now by faith alone, not water, just like Cornelius!

Edited September 4, 2020 by Don19

[Don19]

6 hours ago, Josheb said:

No, that is incorrect. Baptism is not a gospel. It is merely a ritual performed after the conversion from life to death.

In Paul's gospel, it is indeed something that happens after conversion, after we've already received the Holy Spirit, and therefore it has nothing to do with our salvation. However, concerning what Peter preached in Acts 2, water baptism was a necessary condition for remission of sins and the gift of the Spirit. Why do you keep disregarding this point?

I assume when you wrote, "from life to death," you meant it the other way 'round... but actually, it's still true that way around too.

Col 3:3: For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Romans 6:3-4:

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

The baptism Paul speaks of here in Romans 6 is Holy Spirit baptism, not water baptism (and Col 2:12, and Gal 3:27). In (Spirit) baptism, we die to self, because in it we are given the earnest of the Spirit (Eph 1:13-14, 2 Cor 1:21-22) - the personal, divine, experiential promise of eternal life (see also Rom 1:16-17, 8:16). Dead to self - that is, dead to sin. Just as the unregenerate man is dead in sins and trespasses, and unable to do righteousness, so is the regenerate man dead to the law by the Body of Christ and married to Another (Rom 7:4).

Now, many people leave the Holy Spirit out of their theology, but the New Testament has quite a lot of say about the Holy Spirit. Jesus promised the ministry of the Comforter for all who believe on Him. We don't receive the Holy Spirit before we believe. I know a lot of folks say regeneration precedes faith. Not sure if you would hold that view, but it is false - and plainly shown to be false by verses such as John 7:37-39 and Eph 1:13. By one Spirit are we all baptized into one Body (1 Cor 12:13). The question of whether this happens before or after water baptism is quite important, but I have shown that it happens before water baptism, according to Paul's gospel. Water baptism itself is a picture of Holy Spirit baptism, as the washing of water represents the Spirit's washing of the conscience.

 

6 hours ago, Josheb said:

 

The gospel is Christ crucified and resurrected. The gospel is Christ crucified and resurrected whether anyone believes and is baptized or not. You are conflating gospel and baptism and that is exegetically, rationally, and theologically incorrect. I have explained the gospel to all the readers here. I have shown how Jesus, Peter, and Paul all taught the same content (whether the label "gospel" was used or not). I have asked REPEATEDLY for scripture's report of two distinct and entirely different gospels and there is none. Proof-texting Galatians 2:7 is exegetically and rationally flawed  and it flies into direct contradiction with what God Himself told Ananias, 

Acts 9:Acts 9:10-19
"Now there was a disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and the Lord said to him in a vision, "Ananias." And he said, "Here I am, Lord."  And the Lord said to him, "Get up and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying,  and he has seen in a vision a man named Ananias come in and lay his hands on him, so that he might regain his sight."  But Ananias answered, 'Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem;  and here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name.'  But the Lord said to him, 'Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel;  for I will show him how much he must suffer for My name's sake.'  So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.  And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized;  and he took food and was strengthened. Now for several days he was with the disciples who were at Damascus..." 

Paul was sent by God to the Gentiles AND the sons of Israel. Peter worked with both Jew and Gentile. The same God worked effectually through both individuals for the sake the (singular) gospel and both Jew and Gentile were proselytized.  

Water baptism is not a gospel. Trying to make it a gospel is a red herring. 

I already proved this point. Gal 2:7 says what it says: gospel of the circumcision and gospel of the uncircumcision. That's what it is in the Greek. Paul calls his gospel "my gospel" (Rom 2:16, 16:25; 2 Tim 2:8). So that's four examples in Scripture I've just given you. Paul called his gospel "my gospel," and he did so by the inspiration of God. He was the apostle to the Gentiles; he said so himself (Rom 11:13).

[Your closest friendnt]

The correction of Peter and the disciples.. 

****How Jesus teach Peter through his visit to Cornelius family how anyone is saved...

Acts 11

New International Version

Peter Explains His Actions

11 The apostles and the believers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2 So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him 3 and said, “You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them.”

4 Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story: 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision.(E) I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6 I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and birds. 7 Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’

8 “I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’

9 “The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’ 10 This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.

11 “Right then three men who had been sent to me from Caesarea stopped at the house where I was staying. 12 The Spirit told me to have no hesitation about going with them. These six brothers also went with me, and we entered the man’s house. 13 He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, ‘Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. 

 

****  14 He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.’****

 

15 “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. 16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with[a] water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”

18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.”

******Peter's message. 

Acts 10:34 to 43 

........43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

[SisterWells]

On 8/24/2020 at 12:41 PM, Josheb said:

 

This was written by someone Paul corrected after he had been corrected, submitted to Paul's correction AND repentantly adjusted his own behavior!  This was written by an apostle who reports no conflict with Paul's writings even though he has implied familiarity with those writings. He affirms Paul's writings. I encourage everyone to do the same. 

 

Can you please provide the verse where Peter submitted to Paul's correction.