What are these spirit things that are inside of us?

[Wesley L]

12 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Continue on reading:

You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. - 1Jo 3:5-9 ESV

I can't know it for you or other christians. God knows.

But I know it of myself, although I hate sin, although I belief in Christ as my Lord and Savior, although I belief His words are true, although I desire following His will and not my own, although I know the Holy Spirit is in me, although I experience sanctification in my life, I am still prone to sin and I have sinned. Not having any excuses for it, not being proud of it, being convicted of it, being disciplined for it, having repented of it, being forgiven for it, having learned from it and being freed from it. I know, with the help of the Holy Spirit and faith in His words, I walk towards righteousness.

2 Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?
What is this test? To be sinless? If that is the test, then I certainly fail.
Do I practice sin? Certainly not.
Have I conquered old habitual sins? Certainly yes, thanks to the Holy Spirit and His words!
Do I sometimes slip and sin? unfortunately, yes.

I long for the day to be without sin. But I would be a liar if I told you I have no sin.
I long for the day of Jesus' return, so that we can become complete again, without sin.

 

[JohnR7]

On 8/21/2020 at 1:40 PM, Peterlag said:

 We are not on the same page. Breath life has nothing to do with the spirit of Christ that came into the believer at the time of their new birth.

Oh I see, your getting the physical confused with the spiritual. John 3:8 talks about the wind: "The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” So John is using the wind to help us understand the Spirit of God.  This is the same in Job 32:8 "But it is the spirit in a person, the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding. In Job the letter Vav is added and this shows the connection between the physical breath as we draw oxygen into our body and the spirit that gives us understanding. Clearly Adam and Eve had understanding that no one before them had. This is not because they had oxygen in their lungs. It is because God breathed HIS understanding into them. Actually lots of people have trouble understanding the man that God created in Genesis chapter one and Adam and Eve in Chapter two. This all comes down to one word: Nephesh.  The letters in our alphabet have symbolic meaning. They should teach this in kindergarten but they don't. They just teach phonics. This maybe why people get confused because they do not understand what letters represent and so they do not understand the meaning of words.  Even in Bible school they teach that we are to attempt to determine the meaning of a word by context or the way it is used. There is another word: Ruach but that is another lesson - so I will not go into that here. We are just talking about the word Breath in Genesis 2:7 and what that word means. You thought this was talking about oxygen in the lungs and you did not seem to be aware that this is a reference to understanding as we see in Job 32:8. The letter Vav is important to show how the physical and the spiritual connect but that is a lesson all in itself. 

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, Wesley L said:

I am still prone to sin and I have sinned.

1John5:3 "his commands are not burdensome". I was just reading the The Didache and that leads me to believe that it is not that difficult to live free from sin. Because this means doing no harm to ourself or others. There was a book called: "What would Jesus do" that challenged people not to harm others in order to make money. I was a carpenter as Jesus was a carpenter. This job is easy to do without harming people. I would not work a job where you are harming people or helping them to harm themselves. Like selling junk food, alcohol or smoking materials. Perhaps it is to easy for some to love the money more than they love the people. So they are willing to harm people to gain money. I am not saying we should not give people alcohol. There is a point where it becomes excessive and you need to know when to cut them off. 

[Peterlag]

2 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Oh I see, your getting the physical confused with the spiritual. John 3:8 talks about the wind: "The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” So John is using the wind to help us understand the Spirit of God.  This is the same in Job 32:8 "But it is the spirit in a person, the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding. In Job the letter Vav is added and this shows the connection between the physical breath as we draw oxygen into our body and the spirit that gives us understanding. Clearly Adam and Eve had understanding that no one before them had. This is not because they had oxygen in their lungs. It is because God breathed HIS understanding into them. Actually lots of people have trouble understanding the man that God created in Genesis chapter one and Adam and Eve in Chapter two. This all comes down to one word: Nephesh.  The letters in our alphabet have symbolic meaning. They should teach this in kindergarten but they don't. They just teach phonics. This maybe why people get confused because they do not understand what letters represent and so they do not understand the meaning of words.  Even in Bible school they teach that we are to attempt to determine the meaning of a word by context or the way it is used. There is another word: Ruach but that is another lesson - so I will not go into that here. We are just talking about the word Breath in Genesis 2:7 and what that word means. You thought this was talking about oxygen in the lungs and you did not seem to be aware that this is a reference to understanding as we see in Job 32:8. The letter Vav is important to show how the physical and the spiritual connect but that is a lesson all in itself. 

I don't get confused at my level. I'm looking at "pneuma hagion" and you're looking at "nephesh". I'm looking at the new covenant and you're looking at the old.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

6 hours ago, Bob Carabbio said:

SO - why do YOU continue to SIN as a Born Again Christian??

Who says you have to continue in sin?  God has given us the power and grace to live a life with out sin.  Jesus/Yahshua has given us victory over sin.  A person who willfully continues to live in sin and disobedience to God has either never been truly born-again or they fallen away from the truth.   Does this mean a believer can not sin, No.   Our faith will be tried and tested and if we sin we will be convicted by the Holy Spirit to confess and repent.  If we repent they will be forgiven.

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; - 1Jo 2:1 NASB

Edited August 31, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Sharky and George]

Just had a thought guys. Not sure if your doing it as I have not read all this thread but I wonder how many Christians argue on forums about the definition of sin. Arguing and not debating is sin IMO.

Bless you guys.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

2 hours ago, Peterlag said:

I don't get confused at my level. I'm looking at "pneuma hagion" and you're looking at "nephesh". I'm looking at the new covenant and you're looking at the old.

No that would be greek vs. hebrew.

[Bob Carabbio]

7 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Who says you have to continue in sin? 

That wasn't the question.  Of course we (as Born Again and Spirit indwelled Christians) "don't have to continue in sin".  But YOU sin as a Christian, and so do I. It's a simple FACT of life.  I John 2:1 is the solution.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

1 hour ago, Bob Carabbio said:

That wasn't the question.  Of course we (as Born Again and Spirit indwelled Christians) "don't have to continue in sin".  But YOU sin as a Christian, and so do I. It's a simple FACT of life.  I John 2:1 is the solution.

Its not a fact.  Its a lie that Satan has sold you on.  If you are born of God you do not continue to sin. Yes we are all born in sin, but Jesus/Yahshua came to save us from sin and set us free from sin.  If you continue reading 1 John just a few verses later:

No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. - 1Jo 3:6-9 ESV

Edited September 1, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Peterlag]

11 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

No that would be greek vs. hebrew.

No that would be new testament vs. old testament.