The first of the seven warnings of plagues the earth will see.

[luigi]

5 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

First, God put the fossil fuels in the ground, then gave the wisdom to use them. Why is to say anyone has any EXCESS use? Are you falling for the lie that WE as humans are causing global warming? Yours is a silly question, because ONLY GOD could say "excess use." 

We don't have to wonder who will believe the big lie: it will be all whose names are not written in heaven. It is harvest time and God is not going to leave any "harvest" out in the field, or along the fence. God has designed what is coming to force all fence sitters OFF THE FENCE - forcing them to make decision. 

Remember the guy in the wheelchair: the theoretical physicist who made predictions of black holes? He would be a prime example of someone who refused to receive the love of the truth. But many many others, refuse to receive it because they want to do things THEIR WAY. In other words, burning fossil fuels has NOTHING to do with not receiving the truth. 

In a way you are correct about the fence sitters, as the Lord is now shaking the earth, and those whose faith is made up of falsehoods that deny the Word, and are thereby shakable, will be shaken out, along with the devil and his angels from heaven.

Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. 27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

[iamlamad]

Just now, luigi said:

In a way you are correct about the fence sitters, as the Lord is now shaking the earth, and those whose faith is made up of falsehoods that deny the Word, and are thereby shakable, will be shaken out, along with the devil and his angels from heaven.

Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. 27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

My idea of a fence sitter is someone who wants JUST ENOUGH of God to make it to heaven, but wants enough of the world to enjoy their life. God will force such people to choose sides. 

[luigi]

8 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

My idea of a fence sitter is someone who wants JUST ENOUGH of God to make it to heaven, but wants enough of the world to enjoy their life. God will force such people to choose sides. 

So then if someone wants more of the Lord than just enough to make it to heaven, they would study the Word, and be able to divide the Word correctly, and not come up alternate theories that are made by man, and that contradict the Word.

And yes, I do agree with you that the Lord will force people to choose whether to live a spiritual life or a carnal life. This choosing is what I recognize being the big shake out in Hebrews 12:26-27.

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, luigi said:

So then if someone wants more of the Lord than just enough to make it to heaven, they would study the Word, and be able to divide the Word correctly, and not come up alternate theories that are made by man, and that contradict the Word.

And yes, I do agree with you that the Lord will force people to choose whether to live a spiritual life or a carnal life. This choosing is what I recognize being the big shake out in Hebrews 12:26-27.

No, I was talking during the days of GT. There it will be cut and dried: either take the mark and end up in the fire, or refuse the mark and lose the head. Perhaps someone will escape the head hunters, but if so, it will be only a few. 

[luigi]

9 hours ago, iamlamad said:

No, I was talking during the days of GT. There it will be cut and dried: either take the mark and end up in the fire, or refuse the mark and lose the head. Perhaps someone will escape the head hunters, but if so, it will be only a few. 

The GT is the shakeout in Hebrews 12:26-27 that on earth will shakeout the man made (feigned) on earth, and will shakeout the devil and his angels from heaven. And yes a few of the truly faithful will escape the head hunters. These are often referred to as the remnant, like in Revelation 12:17.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

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[iamlamad]

26 minutes ago, luigi said:

The GT is the shakeout in Hebrews 12:26-27 that on earth will shakeout the man made (feigned) on earth, and will shakeout the devil and his angels from heaven. And yes a few of the truly faithful will escape the head hunters. These are often referred to as the remnant, like in Revelation 12:17.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

In another place Paul explained that man's works would be "tried by fire." If all of a man's works is burned up, then all of his work was in vain. He was not doing God's will on earth. I have not settled it yet, just where or when in Revelation God will purge the earth with fire.

By the way, there is a difference between "her" and "her seed." Her seed loves Jesus. "Her" as in the woman as in the Jews and Hebrews, at this time in Revelation still won't know Jesus is their Messiah. 

Edited September 21, 2020 by iamlamad

[luigi]

25 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

In another place Paul explained that man's works would be "tried by fire." If all of a man's works is burned up, then all of his work was in vain. He was not doing God's will on earth. I have not settled it yet, just where or when in Revelation God will purge the earth with fire.

 

If we're anywhere now, it is where the four angels who had been restraining the damage due the earth, have now ceased their restraining, and we are now rapidly approaching where the earth will soon see 1/3 of its trees burn. I wonder when the second sign in which 1/3 of earth's seas turn to blood, which probably represents a massive increase in red tides, will occur. 

[Revelation Man]

On 9/10/2020 at 10:54 AM, JohnR7 said:

In Bible college they teach that first we look at who the Bible was written for. Then we look at how the Bible applies to us today. If one third of the people under the Old Covenant were saved how much more will God save one third of the people today that have a better covenant based on better promises. (Hebrews 8:6) The issue has to do with "many are called but few are chosen" ( Matthew 22:14) This suggests a remnant but when it comes to salvation many and few can also mean majority and minority. We see that in the political arena today. A candidate may just barely win the majority but they will claim it was overwhelming and a landslide.  If they had to have two thirds of the votes then there is not much of a chance on that happening. They would most likely pack up their bags and go home if that were the case. 

This is specifically about the Jews who are to flee Judea as Jesus asked them to do, when they see the AoD. In Malachi 4:5-6 we are told this happens just before the Day of the Lord. (Rev. 8 asteroid strikes). The original Covenant was the PROMISE, not the Law which came 430 years later (Gal. 3 says so). Everyone is called, but they can't be chosen unless they apply the blood of Jesus unto their Sin Nature, and few do. That has nothing per se to do with whom this 1/3 specifies, except they do chose Jesus and apply the blood as Zechariah 13:1 says. 

Edited September 22, 2020 by Revelation Man

[Revelation Man]

On 9/12/2020 at 8:14 AM, iamlamad said:

Sorry, but to rearrange Revelation is to be wrong, plain and simple. Revelation 6 must be finished (the 6th seal) before chapter 7 comes into play. And the 6th seal cannot be opened until the last church age martyr has been killed and then the rapture of the church takes place. The "hurt" in question will be the trumpet and then the vial judgments. 

Again, you error way to much brother. Rev. 6 is not an ACTIONABLE CHAPTER, the Trumpet Judgments is where the ACTION FORCAST in Rev. 6 happens. The Church is in Heaven (see Rev. 4 and 5.....you can't defeat my argument and you know it) before any Seals are opened. The Martyrs of the 5th Seal are all the Martyrs from the 42 month rule of the Beast which only starts at the Rev. 8 Trump asteroid strike. You are going to be ashamed at how bad you preached the word to everyone when you get to heaven and find out you allowed the enemy to whisper lies into your mind brother. 

Edited September 22, 2020 by Revelation Man

[Revelation Man]

On 9/14/2020 at 1:20 PM, luigi said:

The two witnesses show up at the midpoint of the week after the sacrifice of human lives has been stopped by the Abomination of desolation as described in Daniel 9:26-27; 11:31, & Isaiah 28:18-20. If you note, there is a covenant and agreement made with death and hell in Isaiah 28:18-20, where we also see death and hell under the fourth seal in Revelation 6, thereby possibly indicating the events in the first half of the week correlating with those under the fourth seal.

As for Revelation 12, I see this also returning in retrospect to the beginning of the week in which much tribulation is occurring, which then causes Satan and his angels to be cast down unto the earth, whereupon he will then open the bottomless pit and vest the beast with his power. As such, I would think that Revelation 12 would correlate with the events under the first four seals, along with the plagues of the first four angels sounding warnings in Revelation 8. The 1,260 days in Revelation 12, however, would also I think represent the second half of the week, and so the whole week is in Revelation 12.

The Two-witnesses show up 75 days BEFORE (1335) the coming Anti-Christ Conquers the Jewish peoples to become THE BEAST. This is simple math. Malachi 4:5-6 tells us Elijah is sent back BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord (which lasts 3.5 years) so, they show up and start their Ministry (OFFICE of 1260 days) before the BEAST who shows up at the 1260 event, which is 1260 days until Jesus' Second Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS. Thus the BEASTS OFFICE of 1260 days ends with Jesus' Return, OF COURSE, but the Two-witnesses 1260 days ends BEFORE the Beasts reign ends, so they have to start or BEGIN BEFORE the Beasts 1260 day office begins, its SIMPLE MATH. The AoD happens at the 1290, not the 1260, Daniel 12:11 tells us that, thus it can't be the Beasts doings, except he causes it by asking it of the False Prophet, his right hand man, who will be a Jewish High Priest after the order of Jason.

So, they show up 75 days before the Midway point, and die 75 days before the Second Coming kills the Beast via Jesus' speaking victory. There is no Sacrifice of human lives, THE SACRIFICE that the False Prophet stops is Jesus Worship, Gabriel and the Man in Linen (Jesus) were never speaking about a profane meat sacrifice, nor Human sacrifices (NEVER even heard that one) profaning the Temple, its the False Prophet (Jewish High Priest) ordering Jesus Worship to be STOPPED and then he places an IMAGE of the E.U. President in the Holy of Holies, which is an abomination, but only because the Jews worshiping Jesus CLEANSED the Temple.......REMEMBER, Elijah is sent back BEGORE the DOTL to turn Israel back unto God. The DOTL starts at the exact MIDWAY POINT, so the 1290 is 30 days before the MIDWAY POINT. Why would God give the Jews a SIGN to Flee Judea as the Anti-Christ was Conquering them ? He doesn't, the SIGN gives them a 30 day head start to GET OUT of Jerusalem and to head to the Mountainous area of Petra/Bozrah. 

 

Edited September 22, 2020 by Revelation Man