The wrath of the lamb versus the wrath of God.

[luigi]

12 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

I know you keep saying "fossil fuels" but I know such a thing is simply not in scripture.  It is not a sin to drive a car. It is not a sin to cook with natural gas. I suspect it as been the Holy Spirit's wisdom that has helped men invent many of the things we enjoy today. 

No, I certainly will not accept anything NOT IN SCRIPTURE. You shouldn't either. 

How would you 1900 years ago describe to people 1900 years in the future the rampant destruction to the earth by those who are destroying the earth being through industry burning fossil fuels? Answer: You would use metaphors. What do you think the sorceries are in the end times that people will not repent from ceasing? Answer: Technological wonders. 

 Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

[luigi]

17 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Just show us a SCRIPTURE: if you can't find a scripture to back this up, it is ONLY imagination. I don't follow human imaginations. Find a scripture.

Are you suggesting that the Word describing a countless number from around the world who are among the 144,000 of Israel who are sealed are not sealed? If you are, you then are either being obtuse, or you have very little understanding of context. 

[revv]

On 9/16/2020 at 5:53 AM, luigi said:

In Revelation 6 the Lord opens the first 6 of seven seals that concludes with everyone on earth hiding themselves, and wishing themselves dead, in order to hide from the face of God, and from Christ's wrath, which has arrived. During this period in which the wrath of the lamb has arrived, four angels restrain the winds from blowing on the earth, and are told to keep the earth from being damaged until the Lords servants are sealed with the Lords seal of truth. Once the sealing of truth is complete throughout the earth in Revelation 7, the seventh seal is then opened in Revelation 8:1, whereupon in which chapter, four angels sound, and 1/3 of earth's environmental resources is destroyed. At the end of the chapter an angel flying in the midst of heaven declares in a loud voice, Woe, Woe, Woe, by reason of the last three angels who are yet to sound. The first of these last three woes is that of a star who falls from heaven who is given the key to the bottomless pit and opens it. It is from this bottomless pit from which the beast of seven heads and ten horns shall ascend according to the angel in Revelation 17:8, thereby indicating the bottomless pit from which the beast shall ascend being another description for the sea from which the beast shall ascend in Revelation 13. Skipping through various details about the beast; the Lord will at some point during the beast's 42 month reign commence His wrath upon the beasts kingdom and those who worship the beast and his image. This wrath of the Lord God Omnipotent upon the beasts worshippers appears in Revelation 11:18-19, and Revelation 16:18 & 21, where there are voices, and thunders, and lightnings, a great earthquake, and great hail. In contrast to the Father's wrath upon the beasts worshippers in which earth's entire environmental resources are destroyed in Revelation 16, the lamb's wrath under the sixth seal, while describing a great earthquake occurring, does not include  the voices, the lightnings, the thunderings, and great hail, as do the wrath descriptions in Revelation 11 & 16.  As such, the wrath of the Lamb under the sixth seal would appear to precede the more dire wrath of the Father at the conclusion of the beast 42 month reign in chapter 16.

I would also speculate that the lambs wrath commencing under the 6th seal represents the commencing of the day of the Lord that appears throughout the bible. 

 

Trumpets 1-4 are judgments upon Babylon.  The 5th Trumpet is the start of judgment of "Israel" and the start of 3 woes/ punishments.

God starts to punish, then relents and stops the punishment.

At the 6th Trumpet, 2nd woe, God starts to punish, then relents again and stops this punishment.

But at the start of the 2 witnesses 1260 days, God decides that he will not relent of this last punishment. God has 1 last 'test' whereby they have 1260 days and then comes the 7th Trumpet with the 7 plagues to finish the punishments.

Read Amos 7.  3 punishments, the first 2 God relents punishment.

Good commentaries here:  https://www.bible-studys.org/Bible Books/Amos/Amos Chapter 7.html

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete/amos/7.html

 

 

[luigi]

19 minutes ago, revv said:

Trumpets 1-4 are judgments upon Babylon.  The 5th Trumpet is the start of judgment of "Israel" and the start of 3 woes/ punishments.

God starts to punish, then relents and stops the punishment.

At the 6th Trumpet, 2nd woe, God starts to punish, then relents again and stops this punishment.

But at the start of the 2 witnesses 1260 days, God decides that he will not relent of this last punishment. God has 1 last 'test' whereby they have 1260 days and then comes the 7th Trumpet with the 7 plagues to finish the punishments.

Read Amos 7.  3 punishments, the first 2 God relents punishment.

Good commentaries here:  https://www.bible-studys.org/Bible Books/Amos/Amos Chapter 7.html

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete/amos/7.html

 

 

Hello revv,

 The Lord provides numerous cross references in His Word, so that we can confirm and divide His Word correctly. To make a claim as to what something means in scriptures without other scriptures to corroborate that claim, is merely unsupported conjecture. There are many on this forum and other bible forums who offer up unsupported by scriptures conjectures as to what something represents. To have faith in unsupported conjecture is blind faith without root in God's Word.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, luigi said:

Are you suggesting that the Word describing a countless number from around the world who are among the 144,000 of Israel who are sealed are not sealed? If you are, you then are either being obtuse, or you have very little understanding of context. 

I am only suggesting we follow what is WRITTEN and not make stuff up! There is a sealing of the 144,ooo in the future. And every time a person is born again, they are sealed by the Holy Spirit in their human spirit. 

You state a different sealing. All I am asking is, show us a scripture for this sealing of truth. 

[iamlamad]

44 minutes ago, luigi said:

Hello revv,

 The Lord provides numerous cross references in His Word, so that we can confirm and divide His Word correctly. To make a claim as to what something means in scriptures without other scriptures to corroborate that claim, is merely unsupported conjecture. There are many on this forum and other bible forums who offer up unsupported by scriptures conjectures as to what something represents. To have faith in unsupported conjecture is blind faith without root in God's Word.

Wow! You said it well! Good job.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, revv said:

Trumpets 1-4 are judgments upon Babylon.  The 5th Trumpet is the start of judgment of "Israel" and the start of 3 woes/ punishments.

God starts to punish, then relents and stops the punishment.

At the 6th Trumpet, 2nd woe, God starts to punish, then relents again and stops this punishment.

But at the start of the 2 witnesses 1260 days, God decides that he will not relent of this last punishment. God has 1 last 'test' whereby they have 1260 days and then comes the 7th Trumpet with the 7 plagues to finish the punishments.

Read Amos 7.  3 punishments, the first 2 God relents punishment.

Good commentaries here:  https://www.bible-studys.org/Bible Books/Amos/Amos Chapter 7.html

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete/amos/7.html

Trumpets 1-4 are judgments upon Babylon.    Show us proof in the scripture. I doubt ANYTHING not backed up with scripture. 

The 5th Trumpet is the start of judgment of "Israel"   Strange: it is "Israel" (A subset) that is sealed for protection.

God starts to punish, then relents and stops the punishment.  Show us proof in the scripture. I doubt ANYTHING not backed up with scripture. 

At the 6th Trumpet, 2nd woe, God starts to punish, then relents  Show us proof in the scripture

they have 1260 days and then comes the 7th Trumpet  How can their 1260 days be up at the 7th trumpet when they just STARTED 3 1/2 days before the 7th trumpet? HOUSTON: we have a problem!

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, luigi said:

How would you 1900 years ago describe to people 1900 years in the future the rampant destruction to the earth by those who are destroying the earth being through industry burning fossil fuels? Answer: You would use metaphors. What do you think the sorceries are in the end times that people will not repent from ceasing? Answer: Technological wonders. 

 Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Sorceries here is taking drugs. Without a doubt, God hates drugs. (Look up the Greek word: it is where we get our word pharmacy.)

[OneLight]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Sorceries here is taking drugs. Without a doubt, God hates drugs. (Look up the Greek word: it is where we get our word pharmacy.)

Are you against all medications, even aspirin and ibuprofen? 

[iamlamad]

45 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Are you against all medications, even aspirin and ibuprofen? 

I suspect God is against mind altering drugs. He probably helped some people invent things like Vaccines. 

I am not against aspirin, but I never get headaches so never need it. No, I am not against all medications. I do trust in God as my healer.