The Jezebel Spirit and the Rapture

[Biblican]

I know a pastor who does not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. I told him, “The church in Philadelphia is promised to be kept from the “hour” (Rev. 3:10). No matter how God chooses to do this, it’s your job to make sure your congregation is in that Philadelphian category.”
     He said, “I got it.”
     If you are one of those pre-tribulation rapture disclaimers, I hope you get it, too.
     Jesus told us to pray that we are worthy to escape (Luke 21:36). We have an option.
     Jesus tells the Jezebel infected church of Thyatira to repent or else they would go through “great tribulation” (Rev. 2:22). It is obvious that we are being shown here, that the church has the option of being protected from the great tribulation. That option is based on obedience to the Lord’s commandment to repent and change their ways.
     We are shown that the spirit of Jezebel in the church does not want to repent. Therefore she does not teach repentance. Because she knows that obedience to God’s word is the key to being kept from the hour, she does not teach that either. Therefore in regards to the rapture, this spirit operates in two ways. She tells her followers that they all will go in a pre-tribulation rapture, but does not inform them of a vital clause; only a remnant of them who are found cleaving to God’s word like the Philadelphians will be qualified. To others she hides the fact that there is an option and does not teach a pre-tribulation rapture at all. In either case, she does not provide the means for escape and does not counsel her followers to pray to qualify for it as Jesus instructed; because again, this spirit does not preach repentance. She does not counsel against sin, especially sexual sin, which is a guarantee that one cannot expect protection from the “great tribulation.”
     So in the church today we are hearing two voices, all coming from the same source. One claims that there is no pre-tribulation rapture and all believers must be prepared to go through the great tribulation. The other voice claims that the entire church will go in a pre-tribulation rapture. Both claims are wrong because they are not based on the whole counsel of scripture on this issue.
     The word of God promises protection from this last time devastation for the Philadelphian remnant, just as He delivered Noah from the flood and Lot from the fire. It is obvious that it is not God’s will for His church to endure this particular latter day affliction, or we would not have been counseled by Jesus to pray for our deliverance from it.
     We can be among those whom God will raise up above the devastation to come if we heed His word and follow the example of that faithful and obedient Philadelphian remnant.
     Pray that the Lord will make you worthy to escape.

 

[Diaste]

Yeah well, kept from the hour doesn't mean forcibly abducted from one place and taken to another.

Kept from the hour is to set a watch over or guard. 

Pretrib fails miserably here. 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Its amazing how people will take scriptures out of context to fit a preconceived doctrine that is not taught in the bible and at that same take scriptures that states the obvious and distort it to mean something completely different.  

[Keras]

Rapture to heaven’ believers say that people who dispute their theory; just cannot see or understand that belief.

 

It’s what we don't see in the Bible, where the difference lies. Nowhere does scripture say God intends to take His people to heaven. In fact Jesus Himself says such a thing is impossible. John 3:13, John 7:34, Revelation 2:25-26, +

 

People who read the whole Bible can establish the truth for themselves, that God's purpose is to have a people who will be His faithful believers, doing His will on earth. THAT is our purpose and our destiny!

But a lot of people don't bother to find out this truth, they listen to teachers and read fictional books that say we can just be good people, churchgoers and tithers, and God will remove them to heaven. They are told this fantastic and incredible event will happen before any Judgement or testing of their faith. They are told it is the Jewish people who must face tribulation, not them.

 

This scenario is not found anywhere in the Bible. It is made up from assumptions and making scriptures mean something they do not. 

So the 'rapture to heaven' believers will never convince anyone who seriously reads their Bible. 

The lazy people who accept doctrines from anywhere except the Bible, are deceived and because they choose to believe lies, the Lord has locked them into their delusions. Isaiah 29:9-12, and stopped their ears to the truth; 2 Timothy 4:4

 

[Michael37]

4 hours ago, Biblican said:

    So in the church today we are hearing two voices, all coming from the same source. One claims that there is no pre-tribulation rapture and all believers must be prepared to go through the great tribulation. The other voice claims that the entire church will go in a pre-tribulation rapture. Both claims are wrong because they are not based on the whole counsel of scripture on this issue.

What is certain upon the Lord's Return is His gathering of the saints to Himself, both those deceased and those still living.

1Th 4:16-17  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:  (17)  Then we which are alive and remain shall be harpazō, caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

2Th 2:1  Now we beseech you, brethren, by the parousia,  the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our episunagōgē, our gathering together unto him,

Mat 24:29-31  Immediately after the thlipsis, the  tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:  (30)  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  (31)  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall episunagō, gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

[Biblican]

You are missing the point of the whole post.  God says He will keep a remnent from the hour. It doesn't matter how He does that, the point is as the scripture says, only those who are faithful like the Philadelphians will be kept. That is why Jesus said we are to pray to be made worthy to escape. Are you doing that?

[Biblican]

Yeah well, kept from the hour doesn't mean forcibly abducted from one place and taken to another.

Kept from the hour is to set a watch over or guard. 

Pretrib fails miserably here. 

Diaste,  you missed the point. This post is not about the rapture, it's about what Jesus instructed us to do to be worthy to escape. He obviously does not want His children to go through the tribulation if it can be avoided. Only the Philadelphians will qualify and we have to make sure we are in that category. He can move His people around, hide them and He can call them up to heaven if He chooses as He does in Chapter 11:12 with the 144, 000. These candlesticks/churches are in heaven in chapter fourteen before the blood bath occurs at the end of that chapter.

The point is, the Jezebel spirit does not teach that there is an option.

Edited September 29, 2020 by Biblican

[Biblican]

By the way, a rapture is taught in the Apocrypha in II Edras. The concept originates in Hebrew prophecy.

[Biblican]

I will say it again, Jesus said to pray that we are worthy to escape. We need to obey Him in this area. It's apparent to me that the Jezebel spirit is in control. This spirit does not teach that God wants to protect His people from the great tribulation. She knows that her followers are not humble enough to pray for God to make them worthy.

[Keras]

2 hours ago, Biblican said:

By the way, a rapture is taught in the Apocrypha in II Edras. The concept originates in Hebrew prophecy.

Chapter and verse, please.