This November 3rd...

[LadyKay]

2 hours ago, Chicken coop2 said:

We need a mature  professional acting adult for president. 

Well I can agree with that. 

[David1701]

4 hours ago, Chicken coop2 said:

We need a mature  professional acting adult for president. 

I'm just an observer in all this, since I'm Scottish; but the outcome will affect us strongly too. 

What if you have a choice between a man who lacks self-control and maturity, but somewhat supports Christianity and Israel, as well as light government, and a man who is almost entirely anti-Christian and anti-Israel (even if he pretends otherwise, to obtain votes), along with supporting controlling, interventionist government; but who is a bit more mature and professional in his approach?

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[David1701]

Just now, David1701 said:

I'm just an observer in all this, since I'm Scottish; but the outcome will affect us strongly too. 

What if you have a choice between a man who lacks self-control and maturity, but somewhat supports Christianity and Israel, as well as light government, and a man who is almost entirely anti-Christian and anti-Israel (even if he pretends otherwise, to obtain votes), along with supporting controlling, interventionist government; but who is more a bit more mature and professional in his approach?

I would vote for the former, unless there is a credible independent candidate.

[LadyKay]

4 hours ago, Ray12614 said:

Christians who vote for the party of abortion

It seems to me that as long as a political party proclaims to be "Pro-Life". Christians will be told to vote for them. No matter what other evil acts they do. Take away health care, cut social security, or whatever else. Just as long as they wave that "pro-life" flag. Everything else they do gets a pass.    Even though abortions will take place regardless if they are legal or not. The programs that are there to help desperate people care for their families and their children are the ones first to be cut by these so called Pro-Life politicians.  The programs that keep people from having a need for abortion.   

[Mozart's Starling]

If republican candidates were sincere about hating abortion, I'd imagine it'd be their biggest issue. Oddly though abortion remains untouched even when they hold power. Strange that. I think they mostly let it stand to hold the Christian vote hostage. That'd be my best guess.

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[David1701]

1 hour ago, LadyKay said:

It seems to me that as long as a political party proclaims to be "Pro-Life". Christians will be told to vote for them. No matter what other evil acts they do. Take away health care, cut social security, or whatever else. Just as long as they wave that "pro-life" flag. Everything else they do gets a pass.    Even though abortions will take place regardless if they are legal or not. The programs that are there to help desperate people care for their families and their children are the ones first to be cut by these so called Pro-Life politicians.  The programs that keep people from having a need for abortion.   

You make it sound as if the default position is that it is the government's job to provide health care and social security.  Where does the Bible say that?

Apart from things like ectopic pregnancies, there is never a "need" to kill unborn children!

[David1701]

4 hours ago, Mozart's Starling said:

If republican candidates were sincere about hating abortion, I'd imagine it'd be their biggest issue. Oddly though abortion remains untouched even when they hold power. Strange that. I think they mostly let it stand to hold the Christian vote hostage. That'd be my best guess.

I seem to remember George W. Bush cutting funding to abortion clinics, as one of the first things he did when he came to office.  Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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[Mozart's Starling]

8 minutes ago, David1701 said:

I seem to remember George W. Bush cutting funding to abortion clinics, as one of the first things he did when came to office.  Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I'd have to so some research on that to be honest. But cutting funding even if he did so is not ending it. I think republicans just pay lip service to Christians and make a bunch of largely symoblic gestures. Now keep in mind I am not what I'd consider a "liberal" Christian. Also, interesting fact if you want to look it up, during Roe V Wade it was a republican stacked supreme court that made abortion legal. Also believers tend to bring up the "all leaders are chosen by God" (paraphrasing) passage from the Bible. If you believe that logically dems have a place in God's plan too, not just republicans.

Edited October 5, 2020 by Mozart's Starling

[Peterlag]

4 hours ago, WayneS said:

I would add to that someone who isn’t mean spirited or lies. Unfortunately, that means I couldn’t vote for either candidate. 

I wish for an honest and humble candidate. Again, neither fit this job description. 
Peterlag’s comment of choosing between two bad choices is true. 

I follow Trump very closely via twitter, his speeches and many of his videos along with what he does and I don't see or hear a mean spirit or lies in him at all.

[David1701]

5 minutes ago, Mozart's Starling said:

I'd have to so some research on that to be honest. But cutting funding even if he did so is not ending it. I think republicans just pay lip service to Christians and make a bunch of largely symoblic gestures. Now keep in mind I am not what I'd consider a "liberal" Christian. Also, interesting fact if you want to look it up, during Roe V Wade it was a republican stacked supreme court that made abortion legal. Also believers tend to bring up the "all leaders are chosen by God" (paraphrasing) passage from the Bible. If you believe that logically dems have a place in God's plan too, not just republicans.

I'm not Republican or Democrat (we don't have those parties in the UK); but my politics would be centre-right.

Yes, Democrats have a place in God's plan too, not a good place, but a place nevertheless.