Understanding the timing of the rapture is too easy

[DeighAnn]

On 10/23/2020 at 4:38 PM, R. Hartono said:

The test is now not next time in tribulation n foolish virgins fail the test to remain in God Holy Spirit

There is no problem with buying and selling now.  It is about taking the mark or standing for the Lord and that is during the tribulation.

[Revelation Man]

On 10/22/2020 at 3:28 AM, DeighAnn said:

Just because you say it doesn't make it TRUTH.  

But because I speak truth it is truth. Truth is always truth. The funny thing is I can back up all my points via scripture, you cite scripture, I tell why you are in error, NO REPLY, just more scriptures you have interpreted wrongly. Thus posting more scriptures, proves nothing. 

On 10/22/2020 at 3:28 AM, DeighAnn said:

Is is NOT a fact.  It is a "THEORY" or else there would be no need to make void the word of God, SUCH as  

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him....Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

Again, you do not understand the passage. its like a 5th grader trying to teach the teacher, I don't think you even get how wrong you are on this passage. But you are full speed ahead, no brakes at all. A 10 year old tells the teacher 10 x 10 = 700, it doesn't add up, but he insists he's correct anyway. Its really that simple, nowhere in the verses you just cited is "FAITH" ever spoken about, but somehow you have "THE FAITH" as being that which is being DEAPRTED FROM via a FALLING AWAY, when the DEPARTURE is in relation to the "GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO Christ Jesus" in verse 1, it has nothing to a falling away from the faith. MY BLOG DESTROYS THIS NOTION:

Is the Falling Away a false teaching?

I have evolved with much study on this. I used to argue to all that there had to be this great Falling Away also. All because of this one passage. 2 Thessalonians 2:3. I do agree that the world gets far more evil towards the (now) end, as foretold in Romans chapter 1, and as Peter said, there will be scoffers in the last days etc. etc. But I do not think the True Church can "Fall Away", either you are of Christ/God or you are not, and will get left behind by the Bridegroom. Anyway, here is my understanding of 2 Thessalonians 2:3.

“Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction…” – 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NASB) This verse is used by many and they say it implies a "Falling Away" from the faith. But a guy named Tommy Ice has shed some exceptional light on this passage.

Mr. Ice has pointed out that the Greek noun, apostasia, is used only twice in the New Testament. The other occurrence is in Acts 21:21 where it states that an accusation was made against Paul that he was “teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake [apostasia] Moses.”

The word is used in verb form a total of 15 times in the New Testament, and only three of these have anything to do with a departure from the faith (Luke 8:13, 1 Timothy 4:1, and Hebrews 3:12). In other settings, the word is used for departing from iniquity (2 Timothy 2:19), departing from ungodly men (1 Timothy 6:5), departing from the temple (Luke 2:27), departing from the body (2 Corinthians 12:8), and departing from persons (Acts 12:10 and Luke 4:13).

This insight about the use and meaning of the word was certainly compelling, but the argument Mr. Ice presented that was most convicting was his revelation that the first seven English translations of the Bible rendered the noun, apostasia, as either “departure” or “departing.”

They were as follows:

1.The Wycliffe Bible (1384)

2.The Tyndale Bible (1526)

3. The Coverdale Bible (1535)

4. The Cranmer Bible (1539)

5. The Great Bible (1540)

6. The Beeches Bible (1576)

7. The Geneva Bible (1608)

Mr. Ice also noted that the Bible used by the Western world from 400 AD to the 1500s — Jerome’s Latin translation known as “The Vulgate” — rendered apostasia with the Latin word, discessio, which means “departure.” The first translation of the word to mean apostasy in an English Bible did not occur until 1611 when the King James Version was issued. So, why did the King James translators introduce a completely new rendering of the word as “falling away”? The best guess is that they were taking a stab at the false teachings of Catholicism.

One other point Mr. Ice made that I think is significant is that Paul used a definite article with the word apostasia. The significance of this is emphasized by Daniel Davey in a thesis he wrote for the Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary:

Since the Greek language does not need an article to make the noun definite, it becomes clear that with the usage of the article, reference is being made to something in particular. In 2 Thessalonians 2:3 the word apostasia is prefaced by the definite article which means that Paul is pointing to a particular type of departure clearly known to the Thessalonian church.

In light of this grammatical point, Tommy observed that “the use of the definite article would support the notion that Paul spoke of a clear, discernible notion.” And that notion he had already identified in verse 1 when he stated that he was writing about “our gathering together to Him [Jesus].” This interpretation also corresponds to the point that Paul makes in verses 6 and 7 where he states that the man of lawlessness will not come until what “restrains” him “is taken out of the way.”

And what it is that restrains evil in the world today? The Holy Spirit working through the Church. I think when the Church Departs, the Anti-Christ will be free to come to power.

I do not think this has anything to do with a Falling Away. It is the Church Departing before the Anti-Christ is brought forth. The King James Bible changed the known understanding that has been around for 1500 some odd years.

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On 10/22/2020 at 3:28 AM, DeighAnn said:

Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

This is quite simple, the 10 days REPRESENTS the Whole Church Age. There is no debate.

On 10/22/2020 at 3:28 AM, DeighAnn said:

And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit which is given unto us.

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath THROUGH HIM.  (not "through rapture")

Firstly, no one says we are saved by the Raptured BUT YOU, we are Raptured because our mission on earth is finished. The Church Age troubles is nothing more than a SIGN that we are living in a WORLD in which Satan is the god of this world, like Paul stated. Jesus told us we would have continual tribulation in this world. Jesus also told us about the Rapture, but in a vague parable. In Matt. 24:36-51 he tells us ONE will be TAKEN and ONE will be LEFT. Now add up how many of the Virgins make the wedding, 5 out of 10 or 50 percent. 1 out of 2 is also 50 percent. So, Jesus told you, you just ain't see it sister, that's on you and others, not God.

You post so many scriptures I can't answer in one post. I don't get it, if you reference a passage, I already know it, there really is no need in posting so many scriptures tbh.

[Revelation Man]

On 10/22/2020 at 3:28 AM, DeighAnn said:

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

THAT'S THE FURTHEREST ONE OUT.  THE LAST ONE. 

2078 eschatos  last, at the last, finally, till the end.     from esxaton -  end, last – properly, last, final (the furthest, extreme-end).

Something else that must be "CHANGED OR EXPLAINED AWAY" -  instead of just taking it as Gods simple Truth.  It must get easier the more one does it.  

On 10/21/2020 at 11:26 PM, Revelation Man said:

Anyone that thinks the Rapture Trumpets have anything to do with the Judgment Trumpets are just not adding these things up clearly, to be nice about it. Firstly, you do not even understand hes talking about the Trumpet Feasts that ENDS the Harvest (Church Age). So, you are never going to get it tbh. 

On 10/22/2020 at 3:28 AM, DeighAnn said:

646 apostasia  defection, apostasy, revolt,   properly  -  departure IMPLYING DESERTION; apostasy – literally,  A LEAVING FROM A PREVIOUS STANDING


NO ONE YOU SHOULD DECEIVE IN NOT ONE WAY BECAUSE IF NOT SHALL HAVE COME THE APOSTASY FIRST AND  SHALL HAVE BEEN REVEALED THE MAN OF LAWLESSNESS, THE SON OF DESTRUCTION.  

So,  if I am reading you right the "pre trib rapture" is a defection, a revolt, a leaving from a previous standing.

UNLESS, there is to be change to the word of God here also. 
After all the theory demands more and more of Gods Word being made void and replaced with assumptions of man and backing with harvests and feasts

It never says APOSTACY, thats MADE UP, it says DEPARTURE in the first 7 English Translations, and in the Latin Vulgate a word that means DEPARTURE was used for 1000 years before that. Your problem is you refuse to do the grunt work to get at the truth, you have no understanding as to why the KJV tweaked it the way they did, but I do, because I use common sense tactics. In the 1500's we had the Church of England and the RCC and both were basically Government Run State Churches, so each we caught up in "POLITICAL PROPAGANDA" SEE ABOVE POST: I will C&P below.

The first translation of the word to mean apostasy in an English Bible did not occur until 1611 when the King James Version was issued. So, why did the King James translators introduce a completely new rendering of the word as “falling away”? The best guess is that they were taking a stab at the false teachings of Catholicism.

Wow, two Gov. run Churches trying to defame each other and propagandize their Church goers, or their fellow countrymen, that is not radical at all, its Just COMMON WAREFARE. But yet they have EVERYONE saying this is an APOSTACY  because they (RCC) have departed the Faith, when in fact, it is about the Church (body of Christ) DEPARTING (being gathered unto Christ Jesus) and Paul says this DEPARTURE and the MAN OF SIN, must both happen BEFORE this Wrath of God the Thessalonians so feared can come upon mankind. But of course, its "APOSTACY" al because the English King of the day wanted to take a swipe at the RCC 400 years ago.  I know how to read and understand why these things are not always as they seem. Its called GRUNT WORK. Put in the effort in it yields rewards. 

On 10/22/2020 at 3:28 AM, DeighAnn said:

Revelation 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

See, the elders are SPEAKING AND CHRIST has just been slain.  NO TIME FOR THE CHURCH BEFORE THAT IS THERE?  THE CHURCH COMES AFTER THE LAMB SLAIN, NOT BEFORE.  

No, this is PROSE, John is just emphasizing that only the Lamb of God is WORTHY. Read the rest of the Chapter, read chapter 4 first, its about God the Father being all Glorious and Rev. ch. 5 is about Jesus' being WORTHY. And the Church is in Heaven. Jesus has been slain for 2000 years. You have to be one of those that see the Seals opened 2000 years ago. Its not Jesus being slain in Rev. 5, its showing "THE WORTHYNESS" of Jesus being MEASUERED, and thus he was WORTHY because he was SLAIN.

On 10/22/2020 at 3:28 AM, DeighAnn said:

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

Matthew 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

The REDEEMED are in Heaven................................having been Raptured, its the Bride of Christ, not Jewish Saints. In Rev. 17 we see the Jewish Saints AND the Martyrs of Christ Jesus. 

What makes your post hard to reply to is so many scriptures, I understand what you are conveying, just cite the scriptures, that would suffice sister. Its just a waste of space, if you cite it, I know it. In some cases its OK, but with every reply to have 10 verses its a little much tbh.

On 10/22/2020 at 3:28 AM, DeighAnn said:

DOESN'T COME BACK IN 4 AND 5, IT COMES AFTER THE JUDGMENT OF THE WHORE

The Rapture happens BEFORE Rev. 4 and 5..........the Church is in Heaven........the Church marries the Bride..........the Church RETURNS with Jesus in Rev. 19...........that is the SECOND COMING, its on you and others that you can't tell the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming. 

On 10/22/2020 at 3:28 AM, DeighAnn said:

only if by "WE" you mean 

WE is the Church/Bride, and only 50 percent of those who think they are Christians will make it, I guess a lot of those other 50 percent finally come to Christ during the tribulation, I guess a lot of them will be the MARTYRS under the 5th Seal. Thus it may not be WE............it may e ME and the 50 percent. I don't know who the WE will be, but its not going to be at least half of those that call themselves Christians, they have NO Holy Spirit in their LATERN...............Thus they are LEFT, not TAKEN. So, the WE is to be determined, but I will be a part of that WE.

On 10/22/2020 at 3:28 AM, DeighAnn said:

IMMINENT FROM 95AD TILL NOW...still,  DOESN'T say BEFORE THE BEAST.  That "imminent" is Gods Time, not ours.  

Do you know the day or the hour?   Still no?  Just like God said

If you are in the 70th week tribulation, there will be nor can there be any IMMINENCE, you not getting that is like adding up 2 + 2 = 5 sister. How can you have IMMINENCE when we know what day Jesus returns on? The Beast rules EXACTLY 1260 days, so once he comes to power, everyone on earth will now, Jesus is coming back in 1260 days, All one has to do is read Daniel 12:7 and it tells you that. (Time, times and half [time] = 1260 days. The Armies will be gathering around Armageddon just before Jesus comes, the Two-witnesses DIE 75 days before Jesus returns, but its IMMINENT !! No, the IMMINENCE is about the coming Pre Trib Rapture sister.

On 10/22/2020 at 3:28 AM, DeighAnn said:

YES, STAYING IN CHRIST UNTIL THE END OF ONES LIFE, TRIBULATION OR NOT.  END TIMES OR NOT.  HE DIDN'T SAY "EXCEPT FOR" ANYWHERE DID HE?  



Christ only comes as a thief to THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW.  

The Rapture is pre trib. Once you are in heaven you will not deny it then.

On 10/22/2020 at 3:28 AM, DeighAnn said:

CHRISTS RETURN IS WHAT WILL END THE NON BELIEVERS TIME AND EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW.  

I am not reading all that..........my point was CORRECT.

On 10/22/2020 at 3:28 AM, DeighAnn said:

Really?  Which verse did God use to convey that to you???  Or anywhere for that matter?  Just one verse that says that "tribulation is not for you".  And if  "Not to suffer wrath and kept from" are your go to's, please don't bother.  

Doing an Exegesis on Matt. 24 showed me exactly what the timing of each verse was. Matt. 24:4-6 is about the 70 AD sacking of Jerusalem. Matt. 24:7-14 is about the Church Age (verse 14 tells you that the MISSION will be OVER when we have taken the Gospel to ever corner of the world, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, via Evangelism, and TV. Paul speaks of RUNNING THE RACE to the very END, go investigate that verse a little while. I hope you don't think he was talking about RUNNING until the end times. e that ENDUES unto the end can only be thought of as a message about the END TIMES if someone IN ERROR assumers that verses 7-14 is about the End Times, it not, its about the Church Age. Jesus warned what the coming SORROWS (Birth Pangs) were going to be, you have the BABY(70th week) already born, but its just not the case, the SORROWS are telling what leads up to the BABY (70th week tribulations), there will be MANY WARS (Check), there will e much SICKNES/Death via plagues (Check/Black Plague/others)

Then in verse 9 Jesus explains to every Disciple how they will be killed and hated. Verse 11 is about all the Church Age false preachers and teachers. Verse 12 explains how sin will abound during the Church Age tom the point where men will sin with glee, they will WAX COLD against Godliness. Then verse 13 EXPLAINS to the Disciples how one must ENDURE to the END [OF ONES LIFE], of course Jesus would say this, he just told them in verse 9 they would all be hated and killed. Verse 14 tells how the Gospel MUST go unto all the whole world, THEN the END (70th week) would come. So, because you ASSUME those verses are about the tribulation period its east for you to then go there and SAY..........HEY............that is about ENDURING the END TIMES. But your initial assumption has thrown you off, its not about the 70th week, its about the 2000 some odd year Church Age and Jesus is warning the Disciples, you must ENDURE TO THE END [of your life], just like Paul warned we must RUN THE FULL RACE. 

On 10/22/2020 at 3:28 AM, DeighAnn said:

Let's see if I have this right, AS TO your teachings

you believe "thy people" are  the  Jews only and they will be here for this, but

 THE CHURCH will not.
For
the finishing of the transgressions
or the end of sin
or the reconciliation of iniquity
or the bringing in of everlasting righteousness
or for the sealing up of the vision and prophecy 
or for the anointing of the most Holy

I am correct that you believe that THIS is THE WEEK THE CHURCH IS NOT to be A PART OF?
 

NO.......There are Jewish Saints AND Jews in the Bride of Christ. There are Jews who are Raptured to Marry the Lamb in Heaven AND there are Jews who come unto Christ AFTER the Rapture, just like there are Gentiles who are Raptured AND Gentiles who miss the Rapture AND come unto Christ Jesus AFTER the Rapture, only they are the Martyrs, whereas God protects the Jews who repent during the 70th week, because of His promise unto Abraham, and the fact the Jesus will serve from Jerusalem, on earth, for 1000 years. 

The REMNANT CHURCH is a part of the 70th week, the 5 Brides who missed the wedding, many will come to Christ Jesus. If you MISSED the Rapture, would you come unto Christ afterwards?  Most current Christians would, they would realize they were not sold out for Christ thus they were not invited unto the wedding, thus they would repent.

I have a BLOG tat explains the 70th week Prophecy.

[DeighAnn]

On 10/30/2020 at 12:22 PM, Revelation Man said:

Again, you do not understand the passage. its like a 5th grader trying to teach the teacher, I don't think you even get how wrong you are on this passage. But you are full speed ahead, no brakes at all. A 10 year old tells the teacher 10 x 10 = 700, it doesn't add up, but he insists he's correct anyway. Its really that simple, nowhere in the verses you just cited is "FAITH" ever spoken about, but somehow you have "THE FAITH" as being that which is being DEAPRTED FROM via a FALLING AWAY, when the DEPARTURE is in relation to the "GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO Christ Jesus" in verse 1, it has nothing to a falling away from the faith. MY BLOG DESTROYS THIS NOTION:

WHEN THE TEACHER TELLS YOU THAT 1 + 1 + 1 = 30 BECAUSE 2 IS GREATER THAN ONE AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT ONE REALLY MEANS THEN GOES ON TO EXPLAIN
SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE BOOK ON INCONGROUS ANGLES IT SAY THIS AND EVEN THOUGH IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT TRIES TO MAKE YOU MAKE THE LEAP AND ENDS WITH .....SO THEREFORE BELIEVE ME, WELL YOU CAN'T SEE THE PROBLEM, BLOG OR NO BLOG THAT CLAIMS TO DESTROY THE DEFINITION OF A WORD....



LET'S go to the very beginning, THE GREEK, the WORDS WRITTEN THROUGH THE INSPIRATION GOD and read them like we were little children.

No one you should deceive in not one way because if not shall have come THE APOSTASY first and shall have been revealed the man of lawlessness the son of destruction

646 apostasia   apostasy, DEFECTION, revolt. 
departure (implying desertion) apostasy – literally, a leaving from a previous standing.  


ARE YOU SAYING THE 'PRE TRIB RAP' IS "APOSTASY" AND TRYING TO CONVINCE EVERYONE THAT APOSTASY IS NOW TO BE THOUGHT OF AS "GOOD"??   YOU ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO CHANGE THE ENTIRE MEANING OF APOSTASY?  WOW.  
 

THE APOSTASY IS NOT IN ANY WAY SPOKEN OF OR EVEN SUGGESTED AS BEING  "A PHYSICAL LEAVING THE EARTH AND GOING TO HEAVEN"  AS YOU SEEM TO TEACH.  THAT IS JUST PURE SUPPOSITION, CONJECTURE AND HYPOTHESIS ON YOUR PART.   AKA "A THEORY", NOT A FACT.


IT IS ALSO USED Acts 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles TO FORSAKE Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
HOW DOES IT FIT IN HERE?  PRETTY SURE MOSES HAD BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME BY THEN. 
 

AND IF INDEED IT WERE A 'PRE TRIB RAPTURE' AS YOU SUGGEST, THEN WHY WOULDN'T IT

(OUT OF ALL THE PLACES IT WOULD//COULD//SHOULD BE MENTIONED BUT NEVER IS) 

 NOT JUST BE STATED HERE? 


WHY WOULD GOD NOT JUST BE FORTHRIGHT WITH IT? 

WHY WOULD IT BE SO AMBIGUOUS ONCE AGAIN?  EVERY TIME.

WHY ARE "ALL" THE SCRIPTURES EVER USED TO PROVE THIS THEORY AMBIGUOUS ONES AND/OR HAVE TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY ARE FOUND?  DOES THAT SOUND LIKE GOD OR THE ADVERSARY?

GOD TELLS US EVERYTHING ABOUT THE BEFORE DURING AND AFTER OF THE DAY OF VENGEANCE BUT NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING SOLID ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE ONE OF  BIGGEST MIRACLES  EVER PERFORMED?  SOMETHING THAT CHANGES SO MUCH SCRIPTURE IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT ANYONE WOULD EVER PUT IT FORTH.  

SUCH AS
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

 THIS BECOMES NO LONGER TRUE, DOESN'T IT?  ONCE AT THE CHANGE OF AGES OK, BUT NOW IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS AGE IT WOULD NO LONGER BE TRUE.  

PRE TRIB RAP MEANS THAT ALL THOSE OF "THE CHURCH" DON'T DIE,

MAKING MEN NOT DYING, ONCE AT PRE TRIB
AND
MEN NOT DYING AT THE RETURN OF CHRIST.


WITH 'PRE TRIB' STEALING "A SECOND TIME", WE ARE LEFT WITH NO MENTION OF "A THIRD" AND  NOW, SET AT ODDS WITH AND BRINGING INTO QUESTION THE TRUTH GIVEN HERE.

Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

AND WHERE IS THE PROCLAIMING OF THE PRE TRIB RAP THAT WILL CHANGE THE ENTIRE EARTH AND ALL THOSE ON IT AS WE KNOW IT?  NOT EVEN A HINT?  DOES THAT SOUND LIKE GOD?  PREACHING, BINDING, PROCLAIMING, OPENING AND NOT NARRY A WORD?  NOT EVEN A TINY HINT OF WHAT IS TO COME?  NOTHING?  NEVER?  NOT ONE TIME?  WHY DOES GOD LEAVE IT TO MAN TO AFFIX "A TIME" WHEN HE AFFIXES HOURS  AND DAYS AND YEARS AND SEASONS TO EVERYTHING ELSE?  YET THIS, NOTHING 

 

2 The 2

1  We implore now you brothers by the coming of the Lord of us Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto Him

REQUEST AND GIVE SPECIAL CONSIDERATION TO THE ONE ASKING BECAUSE OF HIS PREFERED POSITION WHO IS GIVING US INFORMATION ABOUT THE COMING OF THE LORD AND OUR GATHERING TO HIM AND WHEN THAT WILL BE

2  for not quickly to be shaken you in mind nor to be troubled neither by spirit nor by word nor by letter as if by us as that is present the day of the Lord

NOT IN MIND, NOT BY SPIRIT, NOT BY WORDS, NOT BY THE FIRST LETTER

3  No one you should deceive in not one way because if  NOT shall have come the apostasy first AND SHALL HAVE BEEN REVEALED the man of lawlessness the son of destruction

BECAUSE IF NOT HAVE COME THE APOSTASY FIRST 
(WHICH I ASSUME YOU ARE NOW SAYING IS THE 'PRE TRIB RAP'?)







AND  2532 kaí  (the most common NT conjunction, used over 9,000 times) – and (also), very often, moreover, even, indeed (the context determines the exact sense).

2532 (kaí) is never adversative, i.e. it never means "however" ("but") – unlike the principal conjunction (waw) in OT Hebrew (G. Archer).]

SATAN REVEALED


- NEGATING A PRE TRIB RAP AND PUTTING APOSTASY BACK IN PROPER MEANING AND MAKING THE VERSE SAY EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS.  


WE DON'T GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT WE WANT TO BE TRUTH AND WHAT WE DON'T.  IF EVERYONE HAD TO READ THE WORD THE WAY IT IS PUT FORTH HERE NO ONE WOULD EVER UNDERSTAND ANYTHING BECAUSE EVEN THE SIMPLIEST OF SENTENCES BECOMES SOME COMPLEX ISSUE AND NEVER MEANS WHAT IT SAYS.  

4  the {one} opposing and exalting himself above every so called god or object of worship so as for him in the temple of God to sit down, setting forth he himself that is God

BY SETTING HIMSELF FORTH AS GOD

8  And then will be revealed the lawless whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of the mouth of Him and will annul by the appearing of the coming of Him

WHAT HAPPENS HERE?????  LAWLESS REVEALED LORD JESUS SLAYS BY THE APPEARING OF THE COMING OF HIM.   CHRIST DIDN'T COME RAP THE CHURCH, WHILE WAR RAGED IN HEAVEN AND SATAN GET KICKED OUT, THE WHOLE TRIB HAPPEN AND IS NOW RETURNING.  THAT ISN'T WHAT IS WRITTEN, IT IS ONLY WHAT YOU WANT IT TO SAY SO YOU CAN SUPPORT A THEORY .  THIS IS CALLED ADDING TO THE WORD OF GOD.  AND THERE IS A WARNING ATTACHED RIGHT BELOW THIS

9  WHOSE COMING IS ACCORDING TO {THE} WORKING OF SATAN in every power and in signs and in wonders of falsehood

 

10  and in every deceit of wickedness unto those perishing in return for which the love of the truth not they received in order for to be saved them

11  And because of this will send to them God a working delusion for to believe them what {is} false

12 in order that should be judged all those not having believed the truth but having delighted in unrighteousness

WE ARE SERVANTS OF GOD.  WE HAVE WORK TO DO.  WE ARE TO SUFFER DISTRESS AND TRIBULATION AND ALL THE REST.  WE LEARN THIS WHEN WE FIRST COME TO CHRIST.  WE EXPECT IT.  WE ARE TO TAKE UP OUR CROSS.  WE ARE ALREADY DEAD TO THE FLESH.  HE DOESN'T NEED TO COME GET US.  HIS WILL IS THAT ALL WILL COME TO REPENTANCE.  CHRIST WAS TEMPTED OF SATAN - OUR EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW ON HOW TO GET IT DONE. 

 

Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, THAT YE MAY BE ABLE TO STAND AGAINST THE WILES OF THE DEVIL

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, THAT YE MAY BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND IN THE EVIL DAY AND HAVING DONE ALL, TO STAND. 


WHERE DOES THE WORD TELL US THAT THE JUST GOD, WHO NEVER CHANGES, AND IS NOT A RESPECTER OF PERSONS, 

ALL OF A SUDDEN CHANGES EVERYTHING THAT HAS PERTAINED TO EVERYONE
"EXCEPT FOR THE LAST GENERATION"
WHOM HE WILL TREAT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BECAUSE  "THEY WERE BORN" IN THE FINAL GENERATION? 

I WILL ASK THE SAME QUESTION AGAIN  -  HAVE YOU READ THE DESCRIPTION OF THE CHURCHES? 

DO THEY ALL SEEM READY FOR HEAVEN AND TO BE PRIESTS OF GODS WORD AND TO REIGN WITH HIM FOR THE LORDS DAY NEVER HAVING GONE THROUGH THEMSELVES, THE THINGS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TEACHING TO THOSE WHO  WILL BE GOING THROUGH THEM AT THE END OF THE LORDS DAY? 

HOW MUCH HELP WILL THEY BE??  NOT MUCH.

PLEASE, LIST OFF ALL THE CHURCHES YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT FOLLOW THE WORD OF GOD.  HOW MANY ARE TEACHING WHO "THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN" IS AND WHAT IT IS DOING AND WHEN IT STARTED AND WHAT IT HAS DONE AND WHAT IT HAS TO DO WITH THE TRIBULATION AND ALL THAT IS LEADING UP TO IT?  




I GUESS THIS IS RENDERED VOID ALSO
Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.  

OR IS THERE SOME GROUP RAPTURE MENTIONED ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME IN ALL THE WORD OF GOD?  IF SO, PLEASE LET ME KNOW CAUSE I MISSED IT.  OUT OF ALL WHO HAVE EVER LIVED AND SUFFERED TRIBULATION ON THIS EARTH ONLY 2 HAS GOD TRANSFORMED.  AND HE IS SENDING THEM BACK.  AND WHAT DID THEY DO BEFORE THAT POINT?  YOU THINK THE ENTIRE BODY OF THE CHURCH IS AS THEY WERE?



NOT ONCE DOES GOD MENTION THE CHURCH IN HEAVEN UNLESS HE STOPPED CALLING IT "THE BODY OF CHRIST" AND  STARTED CALLING IT  "THE ELDERS" WITH NO EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER ANYWHERE INDICATING SUCH A CHANGE.  NOT TO MENTION THAT  SINCE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN THE LAST TO ARRIVE, "ELDERS" DON'T FIT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.  NOT TO MENTION IT IS ALL SUPPOSITION, PURE SPECULATION, AND A DOCTRINE NOT TAUGHT IN ANY OF THE WORDS OF GOD BUT ONLY FOUND OUTSIDE THE WORD OF GOD IN THE WORDS OF MAN WHO HAS TO CHANGE AND EXPLAIN AWAY TRUTHS LEFT AND RIGHT FOR ANYONE WITH ANY KNOWLEDGE IN THE WORD TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ALTER AND ADD.

 

13  We however ought to give thanks to God always concerning you brothers beloved by Lord that has chosen you God from {the} beginning unto salvation in sanctification of Spirit and faith of truth

NOT UNTO PRE TRIB RAPTURE


14  to this also He called you through the gospel of us to obtaining of glory of the Lord of us Jesus Christ

15  So then brothers stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught whether by word or by letter from us

16  Himself now the Lord of us Jesus Christ and God the Father of us the {One} having loved us and having given comfort  eternal and hope good by grace

17  may He encourage your hearts and may He strengthen in every work and word good

what for???  won't be here to perform every word and word good, if indeed a rap is real.
 

Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

what ever for???  won't be here so isn't really needed is it???

Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

again, what ever for???

Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

what??  those darts are for THOSE NOT READING THIS GOSPEL, RIGHT???

Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

 strong perseverance which prevails by interacting with God , AND CAN'T BE REALLY FOR ALL SAINTS AS SOME WILL HAVE TO BE LEFT BEHIND, RIGHT?

2  Thessalonians 3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

 

2  Thessalonians 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

ACCORDING TO THE THEORIES TEACHINGS "KEPT FROM EVIL" SHOULD MEAN THERE HAVE BEEN MILLIONS OF "PRE TRIB RAPS" THROUGH OUT HISTORY,  IF INDEED IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO BE KEPT FROM EVIL.  

AND SO ENDS THE FIRST PARAGRAPHS RESPONSE.  IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP IT SHORT I WILL JUST DIVIDE THEM UP.  

[DeighAnn]

On 10/30/2020 at 12:22 PM, Revelation Man said:

This insight about the use and meaning of the word was certainly compelling, but the argument Mr. Ice presented that was most convicting was his revelation that the first seven English translations of the Bible rendered the noun, apostasia, as either “departure” or “departing.”

They were as follows:

1.The Wycliffe Bible (1384)

2.The Tyndale Bible (1526)

3. The Coverdale Bible (1535)

4. The Cranmer Bible (1539)

5. The Great Bible (1540)

6. The Beeches Bible (1576)

7. The Geneva Bible (1608)

Mr. Ice also noted that the Bible used by the Western world from 400 AD to the 1500s — Jerome’s Latin translation known as “The Vulgate” — rendered apostasia with the Latin word, discessio, which means “departure.” The first translation of the word to mean apostasy in an English Bible did not occur until 1611 when the King James Version was issued. So, why did the King James translators introduce a completely new rendering of the word as “falling away”? The best guess is that they were taking a stab at the false teachings of Catholicism.

One other point Mr. Ice made that I think is significant is that Paul used a definite article with the word apostasia. The significance of this is emphasized by Daniel Davey in a thesis he wrote for the Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary:

Since the Greek language does not need an article to make the noun definite, it becomes clear that with the usage of the article, reference is being made to something in particular. In 2 Thessalonians 2:3 the word apostasia is prefaced by the definite article which means that Paul is pointing to a particular type of departure clearly known to the Thessalonian church.

In light of this grammatical point, Tommy observed that “the use of the definite article would support the notion that Paul spoke of a clear, discernible notion.” And that notion he had already identified in verse 1 when he stated that he was writing about “our gathering together to Him [Jesus].” This interpretation also corresponds to the point that Paul makes in verses 6 and 7 where he states that the man of lawlessness will not come until what “restrains” him “is taken out of the way.”

And what it is that restrains evil in the world today? The Holy Spirit working through the Church. I think when the Church Departs, the Anti-Christ will be free to come to power.

I do not think this has anything to do with a Falling Away. It is the Church Departing before the Anti-Christ is brought forth. The King James Bible changed the known understanding that has been around for 1500 some odd years.

THE WISDOM  or shall I say lack of wisdom of man.  Translations, they did their best I am sure.  We can only thank God it is now at OUR VERY OWN FINGER TIPS AND AVAILABLE TO US IN A CLICK OF A MOUSE.  A TIME LIKE NO OTHER FOR KNOWLEDGE TO RUN RAMPANT.  Only problem is, is the "letter of the word/mans wisdom" is once again the topic (just like in the old days) the Spirit of it seems to end at "I am saved, are you?"   The simplicity of Christ and the way it is written, is lost on the wise seeking to change what is clearly written with the many "you don't understands" and all the rest.  

 I am aware of when the Rapture theory came into being and AS far as all my research has gone not until the 1800s.  

You believe "evil" is being restrained today?  Not hardly.  The evil one, is in heaven either about to or presently engaged in war until Michael boots him and his posse out.  THAT is who/what is restraining/being restrained.  The church has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS GOING ON IN HEAVEN.  IT IS WHEN SATAN IS KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN, we best heed the words of Christ when he said "Do not be deceived by any man".  Matthew 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.  

OR AS I SEE IT,  BEHOLD HE IS COMING IN THE AIR TO RAPTURE YOU AWAY, BELIEVE IT NOT.  

The church today hardly studies the Word of God.  People count themselves "in the Word" if they read A FEW of the the NT verses a week and believing the OT doesn't apply to them cause they are not "Jewish".  Go ask many someones something other than the basics and you will find very little to discuss.  

Gods ways and character are described through out the entire book.  PRE TRIB RAPTURE goes AGAINST all God tells us about who He is and how He works. 

To treat ONE generation DIFFERENT means 

He is not just.  He is a respecter of persons.  Not all men die and are appointed to judgment.  There are new things under the sun.  Not everyone has to put on the complete gospel armor to stand in the evil day.  What He has made one is not really one.  The coming and returning of Christ are no LONGER the same thing which calls into question what everything REALLY means opening it ALL UP TO THE WISDOM OF MAN.  The wise of the last generation ONLY will inherit To be kept from evil means different things.  Not to suffer wrath means different things to different people of different times.  Not all will have to endure to the end to receive the gifts, some have to do nothing while others are beheaded for the Word of God aka treated differently.  People of the last generation must be told at some point if they are either gentile or of the House of Israel.  It's ok to be in a church that Christ would just assume spit out of his mouth because that's who is going to be raptured.  Christ DIDN'T fore tell us all things like he said he did.  Much of Gods word is OK to be made void by the final generation as it doesn't apply to them.  The body of Christ isn't really ONE many membered body, at least not once Satan is kicked out of heaven.  Tribulation worketh patience; but only UP UNTIL THE FINAL GENERATION who do not have to endure hardship to be a good soldier of Christ or be treated as a son of God.  We are not to keep those things which are written therein and are not with John companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ for tribulation worketh patience and the last generation shall have none.  


For me, just one of these TRUTHS being made void is enough to make me say no way, never, not me.  Others, doesn't seem to matter how much of Gods Word must be altered or worked out in through the wisdom of man by going to the letter and forsaking the Sprit to the point that much of it doesn't apply.  All the rewards with none of the work.  Like I once heard someone say, Christ is working in me so I don't have to do anything.  Like Christ is going to judge HIMSELF a billion times over.  

Soldier, armor, stand, endure, withstand, overcome, tribulation, distress, those are GODS words and ways of teaching us and for one "group" to not ever be tested, especially when it matters the most....

The battle finally comes to earth and God withdraws His troops????  Who does that?  Who can believe that??  Christ died for us and some how THAT WASN'T ENOUGH???  Now He has to come back and get some because ???????????????????  no faith in that Christ left us power over all our enemies.  That the armor can't withstand the darts?  That God is not in control of where/who His wrath falls upon?

[DeighAnn]

On 10/30/2020 at 12:22 PM, Revelation Man said:

This is quite simple, the 10 days REPRESENTS the Whole Church Age. There is no debate.

And how are we to read our bibles?

[DeighAnn]

On 10/30/2020 at 12:22 PM, Revelation Man said:

Firstly, no one says we are saved by the Raptured BUT YOU, we are Raptured because our mission on earth is finished. The Church Age troubles is nothing more than a SIGN that we are living in a WORLD in which Satan is the god of this world, like Paul stated. Jesus told us we would have continual tribulation in this world. Jesus also told us about the Rapture, but in a vague parable. In Matt. 24:36-51 he tells us ONE will be TAKEN and ONE will be LEFT. Now add up how many of the Virgins make the wedding, 5 out of 10 or 50 percent. 1 out of 2 is also 50 percent. So, Jesus told you, you just ain't see it sister, that's on you and others, not God.

You post so many scriptures I can't answer in one post. I don't get it, if you reference a passage, I already know it, there really is no need in posting so many scriptures tbh.

NOT ME.  I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE PRE TRIB THEORY IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM SO KNOW I WOULD NEVER SAY ANYONE WAS SAVED BY IT.  HARD TO BELIEVE YOU GOT THAT WRONG.  

CHRIST IS COMING TO THE EARTH AS LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS TO REIGN.

GODS FAVORITE PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE IS HERE ON EARTH WHERE HE WILL DWELL WITH US FOREVER.  HEAVEN IS WHERE EVER GOD IS.  

SO "THE MISSION" ON EARTH DOESN'T END.  THE BODY OF CHRIST WILL ALWAYS BE UPON THE EARTH.  ONLY QUESTION IS IS "WHO" MAKES UP THE BODY OF CHRIST.  

ONE IS TAKEN BY THE DECEPTION/DECEIVER WHO IS KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN COMING TO OVERCOME THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE ON THE GOSPEL ARMOR.  THE OTHER IS LEFT WORKING IN THE FIELD (DOING GODS WORK) UNTIL THE TRUE CHRIST RETURNS.  

DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY ANY MAN  -   1ST ONE TAKEN.  TAKEN IN BY DECEPTION AND LIES AND FALSE TEACHING.  TAKEN BECAUSE COULD NOT WITHSTAND THE FIERY DARTS OF SATAN.  TAKEN BY FALLING AWAY FROM GODS TRUTH.  TAKEN BECAUSE HE LET HIS HOUSE BE BROKEN INTO BY THE THIEF BECAUSE HE DID NOT STAY PREPARED.  TAKEN BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH OIL TO STAY IN THE LIGHT WHEN DARKNESS WAS KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN AND SO WENT INTO AND AMONGST THE EVIL TO PARTAKE IN THE BUYING AND SELLING.  

AS OPPOSED TO OVERCOMING THE ONE SENT TO OVERCOME.  THE ONE LEFT TO ENDURE TO THE END. THE ONE LEFT WORKING IN THE FIELD.  THE ONE LEFT TO BE GIVEN UP TO DEATH.  THE ONE LEFT TO SEE THE TWO WITNESSES WORK.  THE ONE LEFT WHO WILL NOT BE DECEIVED BY ANY MAN.  THE ONE LEFT TO BE A GOOD SOLDIER IN THEIR GOSPEL ARMOR.  THE ONE LEFT WHO WILL NOT GO BUY AND SELL.  THE ONE LEFT WHO WILL NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST.  THE ONE LEFT WHO WILL WITHSTAND THE FIERY DARTS.  THE ONE LEFT WHO HAS NOT LEFT THEIR FIRST LOVE AND REMAINS TO DO THE FIRST WORKS.  THE ONE LEFT TO OVERCOME TO EAT OF THE TREE OF LIFE.  THE ONE LEFT THAT KNOWS THE blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.  THE ONE LEFT WHO FearS none of those things which they shalt suffer.  The one left  be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.  The one left to overcome and not be hurt of the second death. 

And one of the most telling ones the one LEFT WHO WILL HOLD fast HIS name, and not deny the faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.I could go on and on but.....


You can tell me a million times how much you don't need or want scripture and it won't change a thing about me and my relationship with the Word of God and how I approach these things.  I love it more and more with every reading and I never have once felt it was "too much or not needed" or whatever YOU feel about it.  If you don't want to then don't respond and you will not have to be burdened with it from me anymore.  What you and I see different,  is you believe you are conversing with me but I am just putting out the truth of the WORD OF GOD.  That's why I use GODS WORDS more than my own, or it is my goal.  This is ALWAYS for one who is searching not for what man says, but what God says.  God uses whoever for His own purposes.  

Vessels of gold and vessels of destruction and all those in between.  Clay in the potters hands.  

[DeighAnn]

On 10/30/2020 at 1:28 PM, Revelation Man said:

Anyone that thinks the Rapture Trumpets have anything to do with the Judgment Trumpets are just not adding these things up clearly, to be nice about it. Firstly, you do not even understand hes talking about the Trumpet Feasts that ENDS the Harvest (Church Age). So, you are never going to get it tbh. 

The theory has now added "rapture trumps".  How will it evolve next??  It reminds me of my science classes.  What once was believed was not really right so it just keeps getting modified to fit what ever is brought up against it.  Well, one way we can tell truth from theory for sure.  

[DeighAnn]

On 10/30/2020 at 1:28 PM, Revelation Man said:

It never says APOSTACY, thats MADE UP, it says DEPARTURE in the first 7 English Translations, and in the Latin Vulgate a word that means DEPARTURE was used for 1000 years before that. Your problem is you refuse to do the grunt work to get at the truth, you have no understanding as to why the KJV tweaked it the way they did, but I do, because I use common sense tactics. In the 1500's we had the Church of England and the RCC and both were basically Government Run State Churches, so each we caught up in "POLITICAL PROPAGANDA" SEE ABOVE POST: I will C&P below.

GO TO THE GREEK TEXT BEFORE IT WAS TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH, THEN GET BACK TO ME. 

FIND YOURSELF DEEPLY IMMERSED A NICE INTERLINEAR, LIKE THE NASB-NIV AND SEE WHAT THERE IS TO FIND IN THERE.  I WOULD SAY SHALL WE BET, BUT YOU KNOW.

ENGLISH

""TRANSLATION"" 

MEANING NOT THE ORIGINAL WORDS USED. 

THE ORIGINALS ARE EITHER TRANSLATED OR TRANSLITERATED INTO ENGLISH FOR US AND FOR A QUICK READING AND GET THE MESSAGE GREAT.  

BUT FOR DEEP STUDY YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE GREEK, (OR HEBREW OR CHALDEE) YOU KNOW THE MANUSCRIPTS,  BEFORE THERE WERE EVER PRINTING PRESSES. 

REMEMBER THE SCRIBES?  (THE GROUP THOSE NOT OF THE BLOODLINE GOT INTO FOR A VERY GOOD REASON?)

OMG, MAYBE I have done a bit of the grunt work after all.  

 

Edited November 2, 2020 by DeighAnn

[DeighAnn]

On 10/30/2020 at 1:28 PM, Revelation Man said:

No, this is PROSE, John is just emphasizing that only the Lamb of God is WORTHY. Read the rest of the Chapter, read chapter 4 first, its about God the Father being all Glorious and Rev. ch. 5 is about Jesus' being WORTHY. And the Church is in Heaven. Jesus has been slain for 2000 years. You have to be one of those that see the Seals opened 2000 years ago. Its not Jesus being slain in Rev. 5, its showing "THE WORTHYNESS" of Jesus being MEASUERED, and thus he was WORTHY because he was SLAIN.

????  maybe I am tired but all I see is explanation by man of what God explains Himself right now.  I think I will continue on tomorrow.  Seals are knowledge.  REMEMBER WRITTEN WORDS.  a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals WHICH ARE OPENED BY THE WORTHY LAMB SLAIN


AND WHAT IS WRITTEN UPON THEM IS REVEALED.

THE WORDS WRITTEN GIVE INFORMATION THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE PUT IN YOUR FOREHEAD, YOU KNOW, YOUR BRAIN.  THAT IS WHY THE FOUR WINDS ARE HELD BACK.  UNTIL GODS ELECT ARE SEALED AKA HAVE RECEIVED THE KNOWLEDGE.  AND THEY THE SERVANTS OF GOD ARE ON EARTH ARE THEY NOT??? 



AND I KNOW HOW YOU LOVE SCRIPTURE

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

SERVANTS OF GOD HERE ON EARTH, ASK YOURSELF ARE YOU A SERVANT OF GOD?  CAUSE IF THE ANSWER IS YES, THIS IS RIGHT WHERE YOU WILL BE WHEN THE FOUR WINDS OF THE EARTH START TO BLOW.