It's Supernatural

[Starise]

5 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

I don't know where to start, to compare our worldviews? Our Bible is chock full of supernatural events and spiritual deities [ʾělō·hîm] at work. Those same entities, the present god of this world, principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, spiritual wickedness in high places [geographical] and demons; are busier than ever, as they know their time is getting short. They are behind the scenes in global governments.

Everyone needs to be aware of the things we do, the games we play, the things we watch; that's an open invitation to summon a demonic spirit into our lives. We need to guard our ear and eye gates and put on the whole armor of God. What and whom does this armor protect us from?

As for Protestants and other religions leaving their denominations and faith; it's called ecumenicalism; a sign of the times in which we are living and the soon coming one world religion with the False Prophet. 

People that are watchmen are well aware of what Pope Francis is saying and doing. He is reconciling and bringing the 'protestor's' back to the fold under the umbrella of the one true church. He is signing agreements with Protestant denominations, Buddhist's, other religions and Muslim sects for peace and unity of faith. Francis has flat out stated, "all faiths and religions worship the very same god, called by a different name". Ask a Buddhist or Muslim who Jesus and the Trinity is?

I won't waste my cyber ink again discussing the Jesuits, RCC bloody history, homosexuality, child molestation, cults within, Babylonian / Pagan practices, saint and Mary worship and intercession, indulgences [pay for pray], purgatory, their daily Eucharist [Christ dying once is not enough], last rites and so much more with the RCC. 

2 Timothy 4:3 (KJV) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [emphasis added]

I see that time as now.

Well said!

[RonaldBruno]

On 10/16/2020 at 3:42 PM, Dennis1209 said:

Lately there have been threads and topics dealing with ouija boards and tinkering with the supernatural spiritual world. What if that tinkering became full blown and is on steroids, with billions spent? I'd like to hear your thoughts and opinions. What do you think the results may produce if they are successful; I'm speaking of The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN. Is it for scientific research or delving into the supernatural spirit world and other dimensions? I propose the latter. The Higgs boson particle; appropriately dubbed "the God particle".

In the tribulation there's going to be angels with keys to the bottomless pit, releasing monster supernatural locusts, four bad, bad angels confined under the River Euphrates, etc.. What if the Lord in part, gave the keys to those angels because of mans efforts in trying to conjure up the spirits? Okay boy's, you tried, now here they are.

In a number of places in the Bible; heaven opened; doors of heaven opened. In modern terms, we would say a 'gate' or 'portal' opened to another dimension. The Lord allowed the Witch of Endor to conjure up Samuel for Saul. The goings on at CERN don't seem to be benign, benevolent, scientific and innocent for more reasons that I'm going to mention. 

There's no doubt they are looking for the key to another dimension. Your thoughts?

 

 

 

 

Sci-fi thinking. They spent lots of money to find a particle linked to the missing part of the equation of what, a causal component of the Big Bang? Theories of quantum physics, origins .... they are all grasping at the unknowns, hidden forces that are not physical. That's just it, the missing components of this physical universe and how it all started and how it is held together lie outside of the physical realm - which is why they will never understand completely. "For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.  And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." Col. 1:16-17

"Consist" can be translated "held together". That means His power holds together this universe from the smallest partial of energy outward to the entire universe, not by something that can be explained physically.

Now as for us being able to open a doorway to the Abyss or another dimension, no. Itz is the angel that cones down and ooens the Abyss physically. It is a physical place within the earth and the entrance to this location exists near the river Euphrates. The Syrian/African Rift goes right through the Dead Sea area (where the ground opened up and swallowed Sodom and Gomorrah with fire.) All through this 3700 miles from Syria to Africa are dozens of dormant and active volcanos. The Dead Sea has evidence and history of volcanic activity. Thus wilderness area is where Jesus cast out demons into pigs, where he was also tempted by Satan and where the Israelites sent out the scapegoats riddled with their sins. It is known to the Jews throughout history to be where demons dwell, beneath the earth, just east of Jerusalem. 

So what actually happens when Jesus returns? A mountains splits in two, a massive earthquake and this very possibly caused by a super volcanic  eruption opening up a fissure in this rift area, a literal and physical crack in the earth, out of which comes demonic locusts and later demonic horsemen. 

It's not a spiritual dimension they are coming out of, it is THE Netherworld, the Bottomless Pit within the earth. IMHO

[Speks]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

The facts and nothing but the facts. The issue is we don't always know all of them.

Very true. You're exactly right there.

And we need to careful how we respond to what we know... and in particular, what we think we know. And some, unfortunately, are much more impressionable than others. That can lead to colourful speculations, flights of fancy and pronouncements that have the ring of authority about them, but are nothing of the kind.

Anyway, I'm sure you would agree that we should aim to be wise and very, very cautious...

Edited October 20, 2020 by Speks

[Dennis1209]

4 minutes ago, RonaldBruno said:

Sci-fi thinking. They spent lots of money to find a particle linked to the missing part of the equation of what, a causal component of the Big Bang? Theories of quantum physics, origins .... they are all grasping at the unknowns, hidden forces that are not physical. That's just it, the missing components of this physical universe and how it all started and how it is held together lie outside of the physical realm - which is why they will never understand completely. "For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.  And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." Col. 1:16-17

"Consist" can be translated "held together". That means His power holds together this universe from the smallest partial of energy outward to the entire universe, not by something that can be explained physically.

Now as for us being able to open a doorway to the Abyss or another dimension, no. Itz is the angel that cones down and ooens the Abyss physically. It is a physical place within the earth and the entrance to this location exists near the river Euphrates. The Syrian/African Rift goes right through the Dead Sea area (where the ground opened up and swallowed Sodom and Gomorrah with fire.) All through this 3700 miles from Syria to Africa are dozens of dormant and active volcanos. The Dead Sea has evidence and history of volcanic activity. Thus wilderness area is where Jesus cast out demons into pigs, where he was also tempted by Satan and where the Israelites sent out the scapegoats riddled with their sins. It is known to the Jews throughout history to be where demons dwell, beneath the earth, just east of Jerusalem. 

So what actually happens when Jesus returns? A mountains splits in two, a massive earthquake and this very possibly caused by a super volcanic  eruption opening up a fissure in this rift area, a literal and physical crack in the earth, out of which comes demonic locusts and later demonic horsemen. 

It's not a spiritual dimension they are coming out of, it is THE Netherworld, the Bottomless Pit within the earth. IMHO

Here's my thoughts: Under the guise of particle physics, in the search of 'the god' particle; dark matter and dark energy they dubbed, which constitutes the majority of the universe which holds things together according to their atheist secular logic and reasoning.

Romans 1:22 (KJV) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

To be brief, as I've previously discussed it in detail a number of times. Adding up public statements CERN has made, the symbolic suggestive imagery both inside and out, there bizzare videoed ceremonies and other unusual circumstances and facts. They're after more than physical physics, science and answering questions. 

[Starise]

26 minutes ago, Speks said:

Very true. You're exactly right there.

And we need to careful how we respond to what we know... and in particular, what we think we know. And some, unfortunately, are much more impressionable than others. That can lead to colourful speculations, flights of fancy and pronouncements that have the ring of authority about them, but are nothing of the kind.

Anyway, I'm sure you would agree that we should aim to be wise and very, very cautious...

I probably know enough of what I need to know in order to  make a sound judgement about what I believe and why. That doesn't mean I really know much at all. Just enough. The rest I'm still attempting to learn. I have been known to speculate about possibilities that might sometimes lead to conclusions. Other times it's just a thought with nowhere to go. 

When I was younger I was probably more prone to find a conclusion where one didn't exist. Now that I'm older I realize it isn't always what seems the most obvious choice or maybe otherwise said, from a theological perspective, it isn't always the denominational line I follow or the most common thoughts on a subject. It's the answer I come to after more critical study. Much of my thoughts are "in process" on many subjects.

I probably should be more careful about some of my more colorful speculations. Caution is wise at all times. Thanks!

[Dennis1209]

6 hours ago, Starise said:

I probably know enough of what I need to know in order to  make a sound judgement about what I believe and why. That doesn't mean I really know much at all. Just enough. The rest I'm still attempting to learn. I have been known to speculate about possibilities that might sometimes lead to conclusions. Other times it's just a thought with nowhere to go. 

When I was younger I was probably more prone to find a conclusion where one didn't exist. Now that I'm older I realize it isn't always what seems the most obvious choice or maybe otherwise said, from a theological perspective, it isn't always the denominational line I follow or the most common thoughts on a subject. It's the answer I come to after more critical study. Much of my thoughts are "in process" on many subjects.

I probably should be more careful about some of my more colorful speculations. Caution is wise at all times. Thanks!

I'm the same way, probably a little reckless at times with my theology. The more I study and learn, my views and hermeneutics shift with it. I've found places in scripture that have dual or more meanings and views. Commentaries with different viewpoints are all correct but not all inclusive [if that makes any sense]. 

The more I study and learn; the less dogmatic I become in my views and present understandings. The views and opinions I hold at present, may not be the ones when I restudy and research the subject matter again. 

Proverbs 25:2 (KJV) It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

In place of "kings" I like to insert "stupid Dennis Bible student".

[Starise]

14 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I'm the same way, probably a little reckless at times with my theology. The more I study and learn, my views and hermeneutics shift with it. I've found places in scripture that have dual or more meanings and views. Commentaries with different viewpoints are all correct but not all inclusive [if that makes any sense]. 

The more I study and learn; the less dogmatic I become in my views and present understandings. The views and opinions I hold at present, may not be the ones when I restudy and research the subject matter again. 

Proverbs 25:2 (KJV) It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

In place of "kings" I like to insert "stupid Dennis Bible student".

We seem to be on the same page  Is that rare around here?

Not sure how it happened for others. For me, I was around godly people I respected so it only follows that being young I would believe what they were telling me. They believed what they were saying was true. I wasn't aware of any disagreement with them or what they were saying. Everyone else was basically the same as me in that regard within that ecosystem.

I think I first noticed something was up when I would read the Bible for myself and use various methods of study, I would often have more questions than answers. TBH I still do. In addition, much of what I heard or was hearing seemed to be conflicting with some of what I was reading. My brain was asking, Is it this or is it that? It can't be both...or why wasn't I ever told about this before? 

I think no less of the people I respected since I knew they believed what they were teaching. They were taught it from people they respected and trusted. The Bible colleges many of them attended had adopted these stances. I shouldn't expect any less from them. To part ways would  probably mean a shunning of their respective establishments. To later find out some of the information was incorrect added to or incomplete would be to admit error on a grand scale. Much the same way large educational institutions have adopted and teach Darwin's "theories" hook line and sinker. The scary thing is when we are younger, we don't know anything, so we depend a lot of others at that stage. We have no choice where we happen to land and with who at that stage. Impressionable minds grow up to be stubborn adults  

In person I tend to keep most of my own thoughts to myself unless it's a subject in a Sunday school class. On  message boards I sometimes let er rip.  The outcome from that is usually highly predictable. 

My perception is that there are systems and people who would like to keep certain discussions "sterile". The rule makers. There are both acceptable and unacceptable considerations. I sometimes feel "steered" away from some thoughts on some subjects by well meaning persons who think they are maintaining the stability of the topic. I'm not implying this is anyone here I've met so far. 

In my thinking all considerations are worth considering lol. The bad ones get thrown out immediately. The ones that aren't Biblical get classified as theories, hunches and "maybes". The things that couldn't have happened or couldn't be happening according to people who weren't there and can't back it up simply because it seems like something that can't happen or shouldn't happen to them mean little to me. I try to consider everything.

In the case of the supernatural in general, I think if we really want to know we will look at it from all angles. That might mean looking into who Alester Crowley was, what he was doing,what he was up to an why. It might mean looking at modern day demon possession. What made Hitler Hitler, White witches, black witches, secret organizations with innocent looking facades. New age teaching,etc etc etc. Secret government programs, UFOs, bigfoot, what lies in caves beneath the earth etc etc etc....What happens on Halloween in secret among real witches. Missing children all over the place. Any soldier going into battle sends out spies to learn about the enemy.

The enemy is busier than ever right now I think too many Christians are oblivious for various reasons. Don't be a Lot, be an Abraham.

 

[Dennis1209]

8 hours ago, Starise said:

We seem to be on the same page  Is that rare around here?

Not sure how it happened for others. For me, I was around godly people I respected so it only follows that being young I would believe what they were telling me. They believed what they were saying was true. I wasn't aware of any disagreement with them or what they were saying. Everyone else was basically the same as me in that regard within that ecosystem.

I think I first noticed something was up when I would read the Bible for myself and use various methods of study, I would often have more questions than answers. TBH I still do. In addition, much of what I heard or was hearing seemed to be conflicting with some of what I was reading. My brain was asking, Is it this or is it that? It can't be both...or why wasn't I ever told about this before? 

I think no less of the people I respected since I knew they believed what they were teaching. They were taught it from people they respected and trusted. The Bible colleges many of them attended had adopted these stances. I shouldn't expect any less from them. To part ways would  probably mean a shunning of their respective establishments. To later find out some of the information was incorrect added to or incomplete would be to admit error on a grand scale. Much the same way large educational institutions have adopted and teach Darwin's "theories" hook line and sinker. The scary thing is when we are younger, we don't know anything, so we depend a lot of others at that stage. We have no choice where we happen to land and with who at that stage. Impressionable minds grow up to be stubborn adults  

In person I tend to keep most of my own thoughts to myself unless it's a subject in a Sunday school class. On  message boards I sometimes let er rip.  The outcome from that is usually highly predictable. 

My perception is that there are systems and people who would like to keep certain discussions "sterile". The rule makers. There are both acceptable and unacceptable considerations. I sometimes feel "steered" away from some thoughts on some subjects by well meaning persons who think they are maintaining the stability of the topic. I'm not implying this is anyone here I've met so far. 

In my thinking all considerations are worth considering lol. The bad ones get thrown out immediately. The ones that aren't Biblical get classified as theories, hunches and "maybes". The things that couldn't have happened or couldn't be happening according to people who weren't there and can't back it up simply because it seems like something that can't happen or shouldn't happen to them mean little to me. I try to consider everything.

In the case of the supernatural in general, I think if we really want to know we will look at it from all angles. That might mean looking into who Alester Crowley was, what he was doing,what he was up to an why. It might mean looking at modern day demon possession. What made Hitler Hitler, White witches, black witches, secret organizations with innocent looking facades. New age teaching,etc etc etc. Secret government programs, UFOs, bigfoot, what lies in caves beneath the earth etc etc etc....What happens on Halloween in secret among real witches. Missing children all over the place. Any soldier going into battle sends out spies to learn about the enemy.

The enemy is busier than ever right now I think too many Christians are oblivious for various reasons. Don't be a Lot, be an Abraham.

 

I can only say, "well said".

[Mike Mclees]

On 10/16/2020 at 1:42 PM, Dennis1209 said:

Lately there have been threads and topics dealing with ouija boards and tinkering with the supernatural spiritual world. What if that tinkering became full blown and is on steroids, with billions spent? I'd like to hear your thoughts and opinions. What do you think the results may produce if they are successful; I'm speaking of The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN. Is it for scientific research or delving into the supernatural spirit world and other dimensions? I propose the latter. The Higgs boson particle; appropriately dubbed "the God particle".

In the tribulation there's going to be angels with keys to the bottomless pit, releasing monster supernatural locusts, four bad, bad angels confined under the River Euphrates, etc.. What if the Lord in part, gave the keys to those angels because of mans efforts in trying to conjure up the spirits? Okay boy's, you tried, now here they are.

In a number of places in the Bible; heaven opened; doors of heaven opened. In modern terms, we would say a 'gate' or 'portal' opened to another dimension. The Lord allowed the Witch of Endor to conjure up Samuel for Saul. The goings on at CERN don't seem to be benign, benevolent, scientific and innocent for more reasons that I'm going to mention. 

There's no doubt they are looking for the key to another dimension. Your thoughts?

 

 

 

 

What does the Hadron have to do with the supernatural. Scientist are more anti supernatural, because God Himself is supernatural