What is a "soul?"

[etymology]

5 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Non sequitur. No one said anything about "rules." 

Just use the term "rules" as a figure of speech! The comment I attached the question to seemed pretty robust as a cumulative direction. They were your expressions and Alive did seem to like them very much. So why would my expression made just prior to his wonder at the male and the female created He man expression not be presumed to arise from his agreement to your own somewhat exhaustive set of things that needed to be discussed? In that vein rules doesn't seem to bad after all. Isn't Alive a Moderator? 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Josheb, enoob57, and etymology.

Gentlemen, please look at the simplicity of Scripture. God's Word doesn't portray a three-part individual; quite the opposite is true in Genesis 2:7.

Genesis 2:7 (KJV)

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

"The MAN" (haa'aadaam in Hebrew, spelled hei-qaamets-alef-qaamets-dalet-qaamets-mem) was "FORMED OF THE DUST FROM THE GROUND!" That's the BODY!

Therefore, the MAN = the BODY!

When the MAN was animated and made to breathe on his own, he was called a "nefesh," a "SOUL," an "AIR-BREATHING CREATURE!" And, he was animated, not directly by the "ruwach" - the "spirit," the "wind" - but by a "nshaamaah" - a "PUFF of air!" This word combined with the next word in a noun construct state, as "nishmat chayyiym," means a "PUFF of-LIVING-thingS." The Hebrew word "nshaamaah" comes from the Hebrew word "naasham," the root verb meaning "to pant." This word implies the RHYTHM of the breathing, like that of panting only slower!

The word "ruwach" means "WIND"; however, it can also mean a "FORCEFUL BREATH" or a "BLOWING." Therefore, it can also imply WHAT the WIND of the person states, further implying what the person THINKS! And, since a person will also express his or her feelings through WHAT he or she says and HOW he or she says it, it also reveals the person's EMOTIONS! However, the mind is not separate from the body anymore than the brain is separate from the body.

This is what Shlomoh ("Solomon") said,

Ecclesiastes 9:7-10 (KJV)

7 "Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works. 8 Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment. 9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.

10 "Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."

(Notice that here, too, he doesn't say "where your body goes," but "where YOU go!")

This is particularly true for the Greek translation of "ruwach," which is "pneuma." The Greek word "pneuma" works the same way, being applicable for thoughts and emotions and their expression through words.

In Greek, we also have the words "psuchee" (spelled "psi-upsilon-chi-eta," often written "psyche"), which also means "an air-breathing creature," and "sooma" (often written as "soma," spelled "sigma-omega-mu-alpha"), which means "a body." In usage, "sooma" refers to the INANIMATE body or a corpse. The Hebrew equivalent is "guwfaah," spelled "gei-shuruq-vav-fei-qamets-hei, meaning "one who has EXPIRED" or "one who has had his senses ISOLATED or CLOSED."

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All those who trust in God and have been justified by Him and have been accepted by God through the blood of the Messiah or by the blood of an animal representing the Messiah, have the promise of a resurrection to new life! We not only read about this in the B'rit Chadashah (the New Covenant or the "New Testament"), but we also find the words of Iyov ("Job") and David:

Job 19:23-27 (KJV)

23 Oh that my words were now written! oh that they were printed in a book!
24 That they were graven with an iron pen and lead in the rock for ever!
25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet IN MY FLESH SHALL I SEE GOD:
27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

Psalm 32:1-11 (KJV)

1 {A Psalm of David, Maschil.}

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
3 When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.
4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.
5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
6 For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.
7 Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.
8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.
9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
10 Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about.
11 Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.

and

Psalm 145:1-21 (KJV)

1 {David's Psalm of praise.} 

א I will extol thee, my God, O king; and I will bless thy name for ever and ever.
ב 2 Every day will I bless thee; and I will praise thy name for ever and ever.
ג 3 Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised; and his greatness is unsearchable.
ד 4 One generation shall praise thy works to another, and shall declare thy mighty acts.
ה 5 I will speak of the glorious honour of thy majesty, and of thy wondrous works.
ו 6 And men shall speak of the might of thy terrible acts: and I will declare thy greatness.
ז 7 They shall abundantly utter the memory of thy great goodness, and shall sing of thy righteousness.
ח 8 The LORD is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy.
ט 9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
י 10 All thy works shall praise thee, O LORD; and thy saints shall bless thee.
כ 11 They shall speak of the glory of thy kingdom, and talk of thy power;
ל 12 To make known to the sons of men his mighty acts, and the glorious majesty of his kingdom.
מ 13 Thy kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and thy dominion endureth throughout all generations.
ס 14 The LORD upholdeth all that fall, and raiseth up all those that be bowed down.
ע 15 The eyes of all wait upon thee; and thou givest them their meat in due season.
פ 16 Thou openest thine hand, and satisfiest the desire of every living thing.
צ 17 The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.
ק 18 The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth.
ר 19 He will fulfil the desire of them that fear him: he also will hear their cry, and will save them.
ש 20 The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.
ת 21 My mouth shall speak the praise of the LORD: and let all flesh bless his holy name for ever and ever.

These psalms speak of being justified by God's grace, being raised up, and being preserved for ever and ever.

Yirmeyahuw ("Jeremiah") also prophesied:

Jeremiah 33:14-26 (KJV)

14 "Behold, the days come," saith the LORD, "that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. 15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land." 16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness. 17 For thus saith the LORD; "David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; 18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually."

19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying, 20 "Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season; 21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers. 22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me."

23 Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying, 24 "Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, 'The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.' 25 Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; 26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them."

And, Ychezqee'l ("Ezekiel") prophesied,

Ezekiel 37:12-14 (KJV)

12 "Therefore prophesy and say unto them,

"'Thus saith the Lord GOD;

"'"Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it," saith the LORD.'"

The Resurrection, which comes at the Return of Yeshua` the Messiah, is our BLESSED HOPE!

Titus 2:9 (KJV)

9 Exhort servants (slaves and employees) to be obedient unto their own masters (and employers), and to please them well in all things; not answering again (not back-talking); 10 Not purloining (stealing), but shewing all good fidelity (trustworthiness); that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

[etymology]

8 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Yep. And if you've read through my posts here in this op then you know I find both his and Nee's exposition useful but seriously flawed and flawed for the reasons I have stated in these posts. Heard, like Nee, was working from a flawed KJV translation and a tradition rooted in Hellenist influences. 

I do but not of the sort commonly asserted. I believe the scriptures to teach a period of tormenting rot or decay that results from separation from God and ends with the cessation of existence. Happy to make the scriptural case for that if you're interested, but 1) there are at least a pair of recent ops on the topic where that discussion has already been had and is there better had and 2) it's a bit off-topic here in this op even though it was previously touched on herein. 

I feel sure that I have read through your posts - at least as many as I can stomach in three days - and being a mere child of just Thursday gone I expect that by the middle of January I will have read everything I need to be finally delivered from the non sequitur label. What an ambition!

Your Annihilationism is Annihilationism. What form it takes seems to be a small point to me. I hold it to be heretical. I was simply trying to understand how that view comes across in your comments or how your theologies are informed by it - and so I asked the question. I didn't want to be held to making any claims (in time) that were baseless - so your own direct comment is clear enough. 

 

 

[etymology]

13 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

These psalms speak of being justified by God's grace, being raised up, and being preserved for ever and ever.

Yet you hold that in the interim the soul of man (in a state of death) ceases to have any sentience and exists only in the mind of God! 

Edited December 27, 2020 by etymology
Added brackets

[Retrobyter]

2 minutes ago, etymology said:

Yet you hold that in the interim the soul of man (in a state of death) is ceases to have any sentience and exists only in the mind of God! 

Shalom, etymology.

Yes, that's EXACTLY right! That's how the Scriptures speak of the state of death, and THAT'S why the Resurrection is so important and FUNDAMENTAL to the faith!

[etymology]

1 minute ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, etymology.

Yes, that's EXACTLY right! That's how the Scriptures speak of the state of death, and THAT'S why the Resurrection is so important and FUNDAMENTAL to the faith!

Delighted that you are animated by my observation. 

The resurrection would be important regardless of what condition the soul were held in - be that in death or a divine spirit - as in the example of Samuel the prophet and Saul. Samuel did speak with Saul did he not!

[Retrobyter]

1 minute ago, etymology said:

Delighted that you are animated by my observation. 

The resurrection would be important regardless of what condition the soul were held in - be that in death or a divine spirit - as in the example of Samuel the prophet and Saul. Samuel did speak with Saul did he not!

Shalom, again, etymology.

YES! And, THAT is why the medium (the witch) was so shocked! This was TOTALLY out of her experience! She was actually spoken to by a vision of Sh'mu'el! This was GOD'S intervention of the situation and is NOT the norm! (Oh, and btw, "did he not" is a question and should be followed by a question mark.)

Let's add to that: For clarification, the soul that no longer breathes air is no longer a soul! He becomes a CORPSE! a "GUWFAAH!" To become a "soul" again, He must be raised to life in the Resurrection of the Just, and be an air-breather, again! All the nonsense that you gentlemen have been spouting for several pages of posts comes STRICTLY from theological philosophy that is NO LONGER ATTACHED to the truth of God's Word! It's off in Never-Never-Land and is just someone trying to make sense of the modern thoughts and philosophies with some vague understanding of God's Word.

We absolutely MUST get back to the Word of God, and leave the empty philosophies to the wanna-be gurus!

[etymology]

18 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, again, etymology.

YES! And, THAT is why the medium (the witch) was so shocked! This was TOTALLY out of her experience! She was actually spoken to by a vision of Sh'mu'el! This was GOD'S intervention of the situation and is NOT the norm! (Oh, and btw, "did he not" is a question and should be followed by a question mark.)

Let's add to that: For clarification, the soul that no longer breathes air is no longer a soul! He becomes a CORPSE! a "GUWFAAH!" To become a "soul" again, He must be raised to life in the Resurrection of the Just, and be an air-breather, again! All the nonsense that you gentlemen have been spouting for several pages of posts comes STRICTLY from theological philosophy that is NO LONGER ATTACHED to the truth of God's Word! It's off in Never-Never-Land and is just someone trying to make sense of the modern thoughts and philosophies with some vague understanding of God's Word.

We absolutely MUST get back to the Word of God, and leave the empty philosophies to the wanna-be gurus!

First things first. In British English an exclamatory question can me marked as an exclamatory when the question is self evident and where the exclamatory may be clausal to the preceding expressions that have not been exclaimed. The clue is in the word delighted. Middle French Derivation

The witch was somewhat concerned by Samuel's appearance which she saw eyn when Samuel was disturbed from his sleep - for which cause he rebuked Saul. 

 

Edited December 27, 2020 by etymology
Added Middle French Derivation.

[Retrobyter]

2 minutes ago, etymology said:

First things first. In British English an exclamatory question can me marked as an exclamatory when the question is self evident and where the exclamatory may be clausal to the preceding expressions that have not be exclaimed. The clue is in the word delighted.

Shalom, etymology.

Well, in American English, we would offset the clause with a comma, and then we might be inclined to use a question mark followed immediately by an exclamation mark, if one is intending to show exclamation in the question. Only in the case of a rhetorical question would we leave off the question mark. (Of course, in this day and age, the proper usage of question marks, as well as that of commas, is becoming a lost art, thanks in large part to texting.)

2 minutes ago, etymology said:

The witch was somewhat concerned by Samuel's appearance which she saw eyn when Samuel was disturbed from his sleep - for which cause he rebuked Saul. 

Hmmm... Maybe it's time to review the scene:

1 Samuel 28:3-25 (KJV)

3 Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had lamented him, and buried him in Ramah, even in his own city. And Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land. 4 And the Philistines gathered themselves together, and came and pitched in Shunem: and Saul gathered all Israel together, and they pitched in Gilboa. 5 And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled. 6 And when Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.

7 Then said Saul unto his servants,

"Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and inquire of her."

And his servants said to him,

"Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor."

8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said,

"I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee."

9 And the woman said unto him,

"Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"

10 And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, 

"As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing."

11 Then said the woman,

"Whom shall I bring up unto thee?"

And he said,

"Bring me up Samuel."

12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice (SCREAMED): and the woman spake to Saul, saying,

"Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul!" 

13 And the king said unto her,

"Be not afraid: for what sawest thou?"

And the woman said unto Saul,

"I saw gods (Hebrew: elohiym, same as interpreted as "God") ascending out of the earth!" 

14 And he said unto her,

"What form is HE of?"

And she said,

"An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle."

And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.

15 And Samuel said to Saul,

"Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up?"

And Saul answered,

"I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do."

16 Then said Samuel,

"Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David: 18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day. 19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines."

20 Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no strength in him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all the night. 

21 And the woman came unto Saul, and saw that he was sore troubled, and said unto him,

"Behold, thine handmaid hath obeyed thy voice, and I have put my life in my hand, and have hearkened unto thy words which thou spakest unto me. 22 Now therefore, I pray thee, hearken thou also unto the voice of thine handmaid, and let me set a morsel of bread before thee; and eat, that thou mayest have strength, when thou goest on thy way."

23 But he refused, and said,

"I will not eat."

But his servants, together with the woman, compelled him; and he hearkened unto their voice. So he arose from the earth, and sat upon the bed. 24 And the woman had a fat calf in the house; and she hasted, and killed it, and took flour, and kneaded it, and did bake unleavened bread thereof: 25 And she brought it before Saul, and before his servants; and they did eat. Then they rose up, and went away that night.

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The woman was MUCH MORE than just "somewhat concerned!" Furthermore, I don't believe that she knew this was indeed Sh'mu'el because of how she reacted to the vision and to Sha`uwl. She described what she saw to him, and Sha`uwl was the one who "perceived" (assumed) that it was "Sh'mu'el" ("Samuel").

The truth is that a demon could have been impersonating Sh'mu'el. If God is not behind something, then haSatan could easily step in and do his best to deceive a person in such a situation. Such a demon would take PLEASURE in giving Sha`uwl such a message!

It's not a good idea to take this situation as all that it seemed to be.

[etymology]

48 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, etymology.

Well, in American English, we would offset the clause with a comma, and then we might be inclined to use a question mark followed immediately by an exclamation mark, if one is intending to show exclamation in the question. Only in the case of a rhetorical question would we leave off the question mark. (Of course, in this day and age, the proper usage of question marks, as well as that of commas, is becoming a lost art, thanks in large part to texting.)

Hmmm... Maybe it's time to review the scene:

1 Samuel 28:3-25 (KJV)

3 Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had lamented him, and buried him in Ramah, even in his own city. And Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land. 4 And the Philistines gathered themselves together, and came and pitched in Shunem: and Saul gathered all Israel together, and they pitched in Gilboa. 5 And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled. 6 And when Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.

7 Then said Saul unto his servants,

"Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and inquire of her."

And his servants said to him,

"Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor."

8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said,

"I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee."

9 And the woman said unto him,

"Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"

10 And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, 

"As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing."

11 Then said the woman,

"Whom shall I bring up unto thee?"

And he said,

"Bring me up Samuel."

12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice (SCREAMED): and the woman spake to Saul, saying,

"Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul!" 

13 And the king said unto her,

"Be not afraid: for what sawest thou?"

And the woman said unto Saul,

"I saw gods (Hebrew: elohiym, same as interpreted as "God") ascending out of the earth!" 

14 And he said unto her,

"What form is HE of?"

And she said,

"An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle."

And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.

15 And Samuel said to Saul,

"Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up?"

And Saul answered,

"I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do."

16 Then said Samuel,

"Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David: 18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day. 19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines."

20 Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no strength in him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all the night. 

21 And the woman came unto Saul, and saw that he was sore troubled, and said unto him,

"Behold, thine handmaid hath obeyed thy voice, and I have put my life in my hand, and have hearkened unto thy words which thou spakest unto me. 22 Now therefore, I pray thee, hearken thou also unto the voice of thine handmaid, and let me set a morsel of bread before thee; and eat, that thou mayest have strength, when thou goest on thy way."

23 But he refused, and said,

"I will not eat."

But his servants, together with the woman, compelled him; and he hearkened unto their voice. So he arose from the earth, and sat upon the bed. 24 And the woman had a fat calf in the house; and she hasted, and killed it, and took flour, and kneaded it, and did bake unleavened bread thereof: 25 And she brought it before Saul, and before his servants; and they did eat. Then they rose up, and went away that night.

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The woman was MUCH MORE than just "somewhat concerned!" Furthermore, I don't believe that she knew this was indeed Sh'mu'el because of how she reacted to the vision and to Sha`uwl. She described what she saw to him, and Sha`uwl was the one who "perceived" (assumed) that it was "Sh'mu'el" ("Samuel").

The truth is that a demon could have been impersonating Sh'mu'el. If God is not behind something, then haSatan could easily step in and do his best to deceive a person in such a situation. Such a demon would take PLEASURE in giving Sha`uwl such a message!

It's not a good idea to take this situation as all that it seemed to be.

Clearly not if I take your teaching into account regarding your claims to the soul in a state of death. On the other hand, if I take a simple view that the Witch was alarmed and her own words express what that alarm consisted of, then I can easily see that her "scream" is semantically directed at realising that the man she was divining for was the King. The very same King she had earlier expressed a predicative fear that he (the King) had forbidden what she was being asked to do (and now had done). I can't see anything in that to make me believe anything other than a sincere account giving rise to a belief that she was afraid because she knew that the man sat with her at that moment had authority to have her put to death. If we then introduce the idea that Satan had used the situation that Saul found himself in then what is there left of anything? We can dismiss everything as much as we can include anything by the same mechanism of distrusting words or else believing that the words simply cannot confirm anything at all. In which case we comfortably arrive at the removal of a passage of Scripture that questions your position to a loss of sentience in death. 

So I will give you this link by a Messianic Jewish Scholar that does not hold to your belief that the divine being (my expression) divine dead (his expression) do not exist.

http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/Heiser Elohim of Ps82 Gods or Men ETS2010.pdf

The relevant section is found at 2.1