What is a "soul?"

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

This is just poor reasoning. Yeshua` was resurrected back in the First Century A.D. and afterward He showed Himself to His disciples. Why do you think it's so important that there was an EMPTY TOMB?!

TO PROVE HE CONQUERED DEATH

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

He may have been able to do more, like disappear and reappear, but HE WAS STILL A BODY WITH FLESH AND BONES!

YES, BUT WAS HE A BODY WITH FLESH AND BLOOD?

DID THEY NOT EAT ANGELS FOOD IN THE WILDERNESS?  DID THE FALLEN ANGELS IMPREGNATE WOMEN?  

ARE ANGELS NOT OF OUR BRETHREN?  AND AS FELLOWSERVANTS AND OF OUR BRETHREN THE PROPHETS, (AND THEY ALL HAVING BEEN DEAD AWHILE) ANGELS IN HEAVEN, 

MAYBE, JUST MAYBE IF  PRAYED ABOUT IT,  THOSE ANGELS DESCENDING AND ASCENDING WILL BE SEEN AS US.  THE SPIRIT RETURNS TO GOD WHO GAVE IT.  THAT ISN'T A 'KNOW IN MY MIND AS I KNOW ALL TIME' KNOWING, THATS A 'I KNOW YOU',  KNOWING.  JUST AS IT WAS WRITTEN,  BEFORE I FORMED YOU IN THE BELLY I KNEW YOU.  HE KNEW US AS HE KNOWS US NOW AS HE WILL KNOW US LATER.  WAS IS AND IS TO COME. 

Jeremiah 4:10 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul.

Jeremiah 4:11 At that time shall it be said to this people and to Jerusalem, A dry wind of the high places in the wilderness toward the daughter of my people, not to fan, nor to cleanse,

Jeremiah 4:12 Even a full wind from those places shall come unto me: now also will I give sentence against them.

Jeremiah 4:13 Behold, he shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind: his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe unto us! for we are spoiled.

Jeremiah 4:14 O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee?

Jeremiah 4:15 For a voice declareth from Dan, and publisheth affliction from mount Ephraim.

Jeremiah 4:16 Make ye mention to the nations; behold, publish against Jerusalem, that watchers come from a far country, and give out their voice against the cities of Judah.

Jeremiah 4:17 As keepers of a field, are they against her round about; because she hath been rebellious against me, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 4:18 Thy way and thy doings have procured these things unto thee; this is thy wickedness, because it is bitter, because it reacheth unto thine heart.

Jeremiah 4:19 My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.

Jeremiah 4:20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.

Jeremiah 4:21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?

Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

Jeremiah 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

Jeremiah 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Jeremiah 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

Jeremiah 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

Jeremiah 4:29 The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein.

Jeremiah 4:30 And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.

Jeremiah 4:31 For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion, that bewaileth herself, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers.


 

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne.


Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
 

Isaiah 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Isaiah 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

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SPIRITUAL

Spiritual is the adjective for spirit.

Spiritual may also refer to:

Religion

Spirituality, a concern with matters of the spirit

Spiritual attack, an attack by Satan and his demons on a Christian

Spiritual body, a Christian term for resurrection

Spiritual but not religious, a religious categorization

Spiritual bypass, a "tendency to use spiritual ideas and practices to sidestep or avoid facing unresolved emotional issues, psychological wounds, and unfinished developmental tasks"

Spiritual Communion, a Christian practice of desiring union with Jesus Christ in the Eucharist

Spiritual crisis, a form of identity crisis where an individual experiences drastic changes to their meaning system typically because of a spontaneous spiritual experience

Spiritual death, absence of spirituality

Spiritual development, the development of the personality towards a religious or spiritual desired better personality

Spiritual direction, the practice of being with people as they attempt to deepen their relationship with the divine, or to learn and grow in their own personal spirituality

Spiritual distress, a disturbance in a person's belief system

Spiritual ecology, a field in religion and environmentalism

Spiritual energy, a form of energy in spirituality and alternative medicine

Spiritual enlightenment, the "full comprehension of a situation"

Spiritual evolution, the philosophical, theological, esoteric or spiritual idea that nature and human beings evolve

Spiritual experience, a subjective experience in religion

Spiritual formation, the process and practices by which a person may progress in one's spiritual or religious life or to a movement in Protestantism

Spiritual gift, a supernatural power given by God

Spiritual healing, a form of alternative medicine

Spiritual intelligence, a term used by some philosophers, psychologists, and developmental theorists to indicate spiritual parallels with intelligence quotient and emotional quotient

Spiritual literature, a genre of literature, in which usually involves the personal spiritual experience of the author

Spiritual materialism, a Tibetan Buddhist concept

Spiritual naturalism, a naturalist approach to spiritual ways of looking at the world

Spiritual opportunism, the exploitation of spiritual ideas for personal gain, partisan interests or selfish motives

Spiritual philosophy, a philosophy pertaining to spirituality

Spiritual possession, a concept of many religions, where it is believed that a spirit may take temporary control of a human body

Spiritual practice, a way of exercising spirituality

Spiritual psychology, a school of psychology that integrates the spiritual and transcendent aspects of the human experience with the framework of modern psychology

Spiritual reading, a practice of reading books and articles about spirituality with the purpose of growing in holiness

Spiritual retreat, a place or state dedicated to spirituality

Spiritual test, a life situation, provided by God, to evaluate man's individual moral character and obedience to his laws

Spiritual transformation, a fundamental change in a person's sacred or spiritual life

Spiritual warfare, the Christian concept of fighting against the work of preternatural evil forces

Spiritual warrior, a term used in Tibetan Buddhism for one who combats the ignorance (avidyā)

Spirituals, a branch of the 13th-century Franciscans espousing poverty as obligatory

Spiritual Franciscans, extreme proponents of the rule of Saint Francis of Assisi, especially with regard to poverty

Lords Spiritual, the clergy of the established Church of England who serve in the House of Lords

Spiritual Baptists, a syncretic Afro-American religion that combines elements of traditional African religion with Christianity

Spiritual Christianity, a Christian denomination in Russia

Spiritual church movement, a group of Spiritualist churches and Spiritualist denominations

Music

Spiritual (music), an African American song, usually with a Christian religious text

The Spiritual, a 1969 album by the Art Ensemble of Chicago

"Spiritual", a song by Katy Perry from her album Prism

This is just crazy! The word has NO meaning anymore! People have abused this word in every way imaginable! I hate the word because it is a WASTE of speech! It's just a way that people will try to sound more pious or holy! EVERY TIME one wants to use the word, he or she needs to DEFINE the term and then use that word "spiritual" EXACTLY as he or she defined it! Otherwise, it's completely open to the listener's interpretation!

WHAT OR WHO IS THIS QUOTED FROM AND WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE MINE?

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

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IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE, AS IT WILL BE FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE ON EARTH WHEN CHRIST RETURNS.  

THOSE WHO RETURN WITH HIM ARE REUNITED WITH THOSE WHO ENDURED TO THE END, NOW ALL IN  SPIRITUAL BODIES.  

HOW SIMPLE IS THAT?

It's misdirected. First, the "in the twinkling of an eye" is about the TRANSFORMATION, not the Resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (KJV)

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep (die), but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 

Second, notice that this occurs AT THE LAST TRUMP or the LAST TRUMPETING, NOT at death!

You're reading this wrongly because you're reading INTO the Scriptures what you WANT it to say! You've got to read it, allowing the author (and the Author) to say to you what HE wants to say! You've got to get the truth OUT OF the Scriptures, not put your "truth" INTO the Scriptures.

IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE,  LIKE IT WILL BE THEN, ISN'T IT REALLY JUST THE SAME NOW?  JUST NOT ON A GROUP ALL AT ONCE?

ONCE THE FLESH DIES (SILVER CORD PARTS) THE SPIRIT RETURNS TO GOD.  IS THAT WRITTEN?


ONE MOMENT FLESH IS ALIVE, NEXT MOMENT FLESH DEAD, SPIRIT TAKES OVER. 

ARE WORDS TO THAT EFFECT WRITTEN?

WHAT DID JESUS SAY?
TODAY .  ISN'T THAT WHAT IS WRITTEN?

HIS LAST DAY IN THE FLESH.

HE WENT TO BE WITH GOD

NOT  2000 YEARS LATER. 


( THE FLESH BODY DIED THE SPIRITUAL ONE WAS QUICKENED, RETURNED TO GOD AND GOD THROUGH JESUS WILL BRING HIM BACK WHEN HE RETURNS)

THAT IS WHAT IS WRITTEN.  I DIDN'T WRITE ANY OF IT.  YOU CAN LOOK IT ALL UP YOURSELF.  I DON'T HAVE TO ADD ANY EXPLANATION, JUST GIVE THE FACTS,  VERIFIABLE BY EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO WISHES TO, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS WRITTEN.  

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

WHAT OR WHO IS THIS QUOTED FROM AND WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE MINE?

It was quoted from Wikipedia's "definition" of "spiritual." I don't know why it "looks like yours" unless you quoted from Wikipedia, too. (?)

[Retrobyter]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

SO THE CELESTIAL BODY GOES INTO THE DIRT?????  

No, the celestial body is in the sky! It's a sun; it's a moon; it's a star! The Greek word merely TRANSLATED "celestial" is "epouranioo" and it means "of or belonging to ABOVE THE SKY!"

(I suppose a meteorite goes into the dirt, though.)

[Retrobyter]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I can understand how that is the truth you believe at this present time in your journey.  "GOD" sees all of time at the same time.  IS THAT WRITTEN?  OR IS THERE SOMETHING WRITTEN TO WHICH YOU ASCRIBE THAT TO?

Shalom, DeighAnn.

YES!

Isaiah 46:3-10 (KJV)

3 Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb: 4 And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you.

5 To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like? 6 They lavish gold out of the bag, and weigh silver in the balance, and hire a goldsmith; and he maketh it a god: they fall down, yea, they worship. 7 They bear him upon the shoulder, they carry him, and set him in his place, and he standeth; from his place shall he not remove: yea, one shall cry unto him, yet can he not answer, nor save him out of his trouble.

8 Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors. 9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

HE CONTROLS IT ALL!!!

Psalm 139:1-24 (KJV)

1 {To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.}

O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me.
2 Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off.
3 Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways.
4 For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether.
5 Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.

7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8 If I ascend up into heaven (into the skies), thou art there: if I make my bed in hell (in the grave), behold, thou art there.
9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts (depths) of the sea;
10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
11 If I say, "Surely the darkness shall cover me"; even the night shall be light about me.
12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest (microscopic) parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect (immature); and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!
18 If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee.

19 Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.
20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

Ephesians 1:3-14 (KJV)

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

1 John 3:18-22 (KJV)

18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 Samuel 2:1-10 (KJV)

1 And Hannah prayed, and said,

"My heart rejoiceth in the LORD, mine horn is exalted in the LORD: my mouth is enlarged over mine enemies; because I rejoice in thy salvation.
2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
3 Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.
4 The bows of the mighty men are broken, and they that stumbled are girded with strength.
5 They that were full have hired out themselves for bread; and they that were hungry ceased: so that the barren hath born seven; and she that hath many children is waxed feeble.
6 The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.
7 The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.
8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.
9 He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness; for by strength shall no man prevail.
10 The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed (His Messiah)."

Isaiah 40:9-31 (KJV)

9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, "Behold your God!"
10 Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
11 He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.
12 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?
13 Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counseller hath taught him?
14 With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?
15 Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.
16 And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, nor the beasts thereof sufficient for a burnt offering.
17 All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.
20 He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.
21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
24 Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.

25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal?" saith the Holy One.
26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host (the stars) by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.

27 Why sayest thou, O Jacob, and speakest, O Israel, "My way is hid from the LORD, and my judgment is passed over from my God?"

28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.
29 He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.
30 Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:
31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Genesis 17:1-27 (KJV)

1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him,

"I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly."

3And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4 "As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. 5 Neither shall thy name any more be called 'Abram,' but thy name shall be 'Abraham'; for a father of many nations have I made thee. 6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."

9And God said unto Abraham,

"Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. 10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. 12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant."

15And God said unto Abraham,

"As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name 'Sarai,' but 'Sarah' shall her name be. 16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her."

17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart,

"Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?"

18 And Abraham said unto God,

"O that Ishmael might live before thee!"

19 And God said,

"Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name 'Isaac' (Hebrew: Yitschaq = "laughter"): and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year."

22 And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.

23 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him. 24 And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. 25 And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. 26 In the selfsame day was Abraham circumcised, and Ishmael his son. 27 And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him.

HOW CAN GOD MAKE THESE PROMISES IF HE DOESN'T INHERENTLY KNOW THE FUTURE?

You asked, "'GOD' sees all of time at the same time.  IS THAT WRITTEN?  OR IS THERE SOMETHING WRITTEN TO WHICH YOU ASCRIBE THAT TO?"

The above Scripture passages (and more) give me that "something written" to which I ascribe.

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

GOD knew us before we were formed and we know that BECAUSE OF WHAT IS WRITTEN, NOT because of what we 'think'. 

THOSE WORDS WRITTEN are just not yet understood by all, YET.  THAT DOESN'T MAKE THEM ANY LESS TRUE.  KEEP holding on tight to PRESENT BELIEFS and NO NEW TRUTH WILL EVER COME YOUR WAY. Just a remaining where you are.  God won't be able to use you though.  

When was the last time God gave you a NEW truth?  What beliefs have matured, DEEPENED, widened and shown you A BIGGER PICTURE?
 

Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by Him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half;

AND WHEN HE SHALL HAVE ACCOMPLISHED TO SCATTER THE POWER OF THE HOLY PEOPLE, all these things shall be finished.

Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

WELL, the time of the end is UPON US, what truths will be opened up to you? 
 IS YOUR KNOWLEDGE INCREASING?  Are you OPEN TO RECEIVING? 

 I do not ASCRIBE my own notions to what is written.  There is no 'fill in the blanks' by what I think.  I hope this is true for all of us, because the pride and the wisdom of MAN and maybe even more the prude ness of us, is very blinding to HIS truth. 


Only God knows but maybe today
 

Genesis 28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.

Genesis 28:13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;

Genesis 28:14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

Genesis 28:15 And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of.

This account of "Jacob's ladder" was a DREAM that Ya`aqoV had when he had a pillow of ROCKS! Nevertheless, God used it to relate the Abrahamic Covenant to Ya`aqoV and his descendants. Furthermore, God promises the Land to him and his children, the children of Israel (which was a name give to Ya`aqoV after wrestling with the messenger all night).

Ya`aqoV put those rocks up into a pile and poured oil on them, making them a monument of the occasion, marking the spot where Beit-El ("Bethel" meaning "House of God") was located.

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Revelation 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Yeah, in context, this simply means that this "angel" - this "aggelos" - this "messenger" from God through the Messiah Yeshua` to Yochanan ("John") WAS one of his brethren (brothers) the prophets! In any case, this messenger tells John to worship God ONLY! That's good advice for ALL of us!

[DeighAnn]

12 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

It was quoted from Wikipedia's "definition" of "spiritual." I don't know why it "looks like yours" unless you quoted from Wikipedia, too. (?)

No, I had never seen it before.  The "looks like mine" was that it looked to me like you were quoting me and since I had never seen it,, it couldn't have been what I had written. 

[DeighAnn]

12 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

No, the celestial body is in the sky! It's a sun; it's a moon; it's a star! The Greek word merely TRANSLATED "celestial" is "epouranioo" and it means "of or belonging to ABOVE THE SKY!"

(I suppose a meteorite goes into the dirt, though.)

Do I understand you correctly,  that in when reading 1 Corinth 15 about us and dying and our bodies, you believe that God makes a hard left turn to speak of the heavens in some connection NOT RELATED to the subject at hand??

 

1Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

1Corinthians 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

1Corinthians 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

1Corinthians 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

1Corinthians 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

1Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

1Corinthians 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

1Corinthians 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

1Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

1Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

1Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

1Corinthians 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

1Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

1Corinthians 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

1Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

1Corinthians 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

1Corinthians 15:30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?

1Corinthians 15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

1Corinthians 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.

1Corinthians 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

1Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

1Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

1Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

1Corinthians 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.


Am I correct that RIGHT HERE you think that God is telling us of the 'universe' for the simple reason of speaking of the universe and the bodies He has placed there?with no relation to the subject at hand?

1Corinthians 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

1Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

BECAUSE I believe it is in DIRECT RELATIONSHIP to the subject at hand and is used to EXPLAIN 
 

1Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1Corinthians 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

1Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

1Corinthians 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

1Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

1Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

1Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.


Is this correct?

[DeighAnn]

7 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

HE CONTROLS IT ALL!!!

Psalm 139:1-24 (KJV)

1 {To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.}

O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me.
2 Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off.
3 Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways.
4 For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether.
5 Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.

7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8 If I ascend up into heaven (into the skies), thou art there: if I make my bed in hell (in the grave), behold, thou art there.
9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts (depths) of the sea;
10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
11 If I say, "Surely the darkness shall cover me"; even the night shall be light about me.
12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest (microscopic) parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect (immature); and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!
18 If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee.

19 Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.
20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

How does God know ALL this about this ONE? 
Because they TALK to God ALL THE TIME.  This does NOT apply to those who never think of Him.

THE flesh body is knit unto the spirit that will be RETURNING TO GOD, when that flesh body dies.  

Angels descending and ascending.