What is a "soul?"

[Retrobyter]

6 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground

DOES THAT FLESH

HAVE ANY LIFE IN AND OF ITSELF?

DOES IT BREATHE?  WALK?  TALK?  THINK? OR IS IT JUST THE 'FORM' OF A soon to be living, breathing, thinking and feeling MAN? 

THAT 'FORM' SO COMPLETE IT EVEN HAS NOSTRILS AND ALL THE EQUIPTMENT TO GO WITH IT, JUST HAS NO LIFE WHAT SO EVER. 

This is YHWH GOD we're talking about forming the man of dust from the ground! Do you seriously think the man started living from the moment He first breathed?! NO! From the moment He began to form the man, He did it from the cells up! Do cells live? Do the tissues that the cells comprise function? Does a heart pump? Does blood flow through veins and arteries? The LAST thing God did was to jump-start the breathing!

He didn't form just the body; He formed the MAN!

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IT WAS JUST 'EARTH' IN THE FORM OF A MAN,  STANDING THERE.  COULD HAVE STOOD THERE A BILLION YEARS AND IT WOULD STILL just BE DIRT.  

No, that's not true! If God didn't start the last function of breathing air, the man would have ceased to be living pretty quickly! He COMPLETED the creation process by giving the Man the ability to breathe air!

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BUT THEN GOD

breathed into his nostrils the breath of life

AND ONLY AFTER THAT 

WHEN THAT 'DIRT'

HAD received GODS 'BREATH OF LIFE'

DID

it become a man, a living soul.

Yes! A LIVING "AIR-BREATHER!" THAT'S WHAT A "SOUL" IS!!! Why can't you understand that simple truth?!

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THE DIRT OF THE EARTH IS NOT LIFE, IT IS THE 'CONTAINER' HOLDING THE SPIRIT/SOUL WHILE ON THE EARTH AND WHEN IT IS TIME TO LEAVE THE EARTH AND GO BACK TO GOD, THAT DIRT GOES RIGHT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE BUT 
that spirit/soul doesn't die, doesn't change, doesn't become someone else, no,  THAT SPIRIT/SOUL LEAVES THAT DIRT behind AND GOES on TO HEAVEN.  AND GOD IN HIS INFINITE WISDOM, made sure there was a 'body' for that spirit/soul also, 'a celestial' body. 
 

That's FICTION!!! You're trying desperately to keep the old "soul-in-a-body" routine! It doesn't happen that way!

And, by the way, there's no "going to Heaven" because there's no "Heaven!" The word "heaven" is a translation word only for the words "shaamaayim" in Hebrew or "ouranos" in Greek! BOTH of these words mean "skies" (dual) and "sky," respectively! BOTH of these words are talking about the earth's ATMOSPHERE! They both are talking about where the birds fly, where the clouds float and rain, and where we see the lights of the round objects, called "galaxies" and "stars" and "planets" and "moons!"

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AND we know this because of things like 1 Corinth 15 and 1 Thess 4 and Rev 19 and Rev 22.  

Not when they're misread, too!

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And every word we utter....and the measure in which we judge....EVEN to judge another mans servant...  So much of the flesh, but that is what 'the letter of it' does.  Word to the wise. 

John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

John 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

This is not a literal 'eating' of His actual flesh, is it?  No, so that would make it a   __________ eating.   
 

I think you should use the word "symbolic" in the blank, rather than what you want to say (shhhhh... "spiritual").

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John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing

THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU, THEY ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE.

The Greek of verse 63 says "It is the Wind who is the life-giver! The flesh cannot help! The topics which I am speaking to you are a Wind, and they are life!

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Psalms 139:13  For you formed my inward parts. You covered me in womb of my mother  (thou didst weave me together in my mother's womb)

7069 qanah  -  to get, acquire

5526 cakak  -    cover
to overshadow, screen, cover

(thou didst weave me together in my mother's womb)

KIDNEY

Mizmowr 139:13

13 Kiy-attaah qaaniytaa kilyotaay; tcukeeniy b-beTen immiy.

13 For you acquired my-kidneys/organs; I-was-covered in-the-uterus of-my-mother.

IT'S NOT THE BODY that covered him; it was the WOMB - the UTERUS - that covered him! And, that word "cakak," as you wrote it, (which I would transliterate as "caakhakh") is the root verb that is the basis for the word "Sukkot!" It means a "booth," a "temporary shelter!" The womb - the uterus - is such a shelter!

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BELIEVE THIS as it is written

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

or believe this as it is NOT written

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: (BUT NOT REALLY BECAUSE BEFORE 'LIVING FOREVER' YOU FIRST MUST DIE, AND STAY DEAD, REMAIN IN THE GROUND FOR HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES FOR ME TO RETURN AND WHEN I RETURN I WILL RAISE YOU FROM THAT GRAVE AND THEN AFTER HAVING BEEN RAISED FROM THAT, THEN MY PROMISE BECOMES TRUE)  and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

That's just a "leading statement"; you've set up a "straw man argument" and then proceeded to "knock it down," thinking you've killed a big one. What you've really done is just to confuse the issue.

Did the disciples "eat the living bread?" Did they accept the death of the Messiah as a sacrifice for their own sins? Of course, they did! Did they live forever? NO! They DIED! WILL they live forever? YES! Just as promised when the Messiah Yeshua`, who IS the Resurrection and the Life, returns and resurrects them!

Don't expect to get everything you need to understand from a SINGLE VERSE!

[Retrobyter]

5 hours ago, Waggles said:

But scripture is spiritual and tells us of spiritual truths 

Gen 1:2  The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the wind of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 

Shalom, Waggles.

When have you EVER known a WIND to "hover?!" Winds don't "hover"; they BLOW! They RACE across the waters, churning them up as they go!

5 hours ago, Waggles said:

Gen 1:2  The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

John 3:8  The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the wind.” 

John 3:8  The Spirit breatheth where he will and thou hearest his voice: but thou knowest not whence he cometh and whither he goeth. So is every one that is born of the Spirit.

1Cor 2:12  But WE received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things freely given to us of God. 
2:13  Which things also we speak, not in words taught of man’s wisdom, but in Spirit-taught words; interpreting spiritual things to spiritual men. 
2:14  Now man natural receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him; and know he cannot, because they are spiritually judged. 

Well, you're not using the word correctly, either. But, given the versions we have, I'm not surprised.

[Retrobyter]

4 hours ago, debrakay said:

I stopped in this thread to see what others had to say about "What is a soul?" and thought this thread got very aggressive.  AT LEAST IT LOOKED AGGRESSIVE ALL TYPED OUT IN CAPS AND BOLDED WITH LOTS OF EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!!!  But maybe I'm wrong and no one was calling anyone "wrong" or "dumb" or "No, that's not right!" and it was all typed out in a very calm and peaceful way and I am just overreacting.

Did anyone ever give their opinion of "What is a soul?"

My soul is me. Your soul is you. I believe when the Lord brings me home to the kingdom, it will be "me" because I call him Lord and he calls me daughter.

Shalom, debrakay.

Read the first page. Yes, I did say what a "soul" is; it's an "air-breathing creature." That's precisely what Genesis 2:7 tells us. But, people here have a HUGE "blind spot" because of YEARS AND YEARS of teaching that we are a "soul in a body" nonsense. How can you have a "soul" an "air-breathing creature" separate from the body "in a body?" Does that make any sense whatsoever?! I can imagine some of these people will even argue with Yeshua` when He returns!

[Retrobyter]

2 hours ago, Waggles said:

In the old days newspapers reporting on tragedies would use the term "the loss of 36 souls perished in the shipwreck (or whatever). People were equated to being souls.

Shalom, Waggles.

That's only because ... THEY ARE "SOULS!" Their air-breathing bodies are not breathing any more; those "souls" were lost!

[DeighAnn]

19 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

This is YHWH GOD we're talking about forming the man of dust from the ground! Do you seriously think the man started living from the moment He first breathed?! NO! From the moment He began to form the man, He did it from the cells up! Do cells live? Do the tissues that the cells comprise function? Does a heart pump? Does blood flow through veins and arteries? The LAST thing God did was to jump-start the breathing!

He didn't form just the body; He formed the MAN!

I never read any of that in the word of GOD.  
I would ask for some scripture...but, alas...no need.  

Here is EXACTLY how I believe it took place.

Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Psalm 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.

Psalm 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.

Psalm 33:9 For HE SPAKE AND IT WAS DONE, HE COMMANDED AND IT STOOD FAST.  

Psalm 33:10 The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought: he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.

 

[DeighAnn]

25 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

No, that's not true! If God didn't start the last function of breathing air, the man would have ceased to be living pretty quickly! He COMPLETED the creation process by giving the Man the ability to breathe air!

SEE Scripture above

[Retrobyter]

2 hours ago, warrior12 said:

OP, still waiting  your reply to the above.   

Shalom, warrior12.

I thought I answered that one. Maybe I just said it to DeighAnn.

No, I went back and checked. On page 74, at 10:51 PM on Thursday (4/15/21), I said,

So, it is the Ruwach haQodesh Elohiym, the HOLY (BEING SINGLED OUT AS CLEAN) WIND (and INFLUENCE) OF GOD, who adds His testimony to our own, that we are the children ("sons") of God!

See, it's one thing to make the claim, "I am one of God's sons"; but, it's quite another if the FATHER says, "Yep, he's one of MY sons!" We are ADOPTED as His children and God doesn't reject His own!

In Hebrew, the words "my father" is the one word "Aviy," (with the letter "bet" undotted, it's a "vet"), but Strong's lists it as "Abiy," (as though it was still the letter "bet"). This can be seen in Genesis 50:5 as the first word in the Hebrew text, for example.

Little children who are just learning to talk have trouble with multiple vowel sounds, which require a change in the way one forms his or her mouth, even in two-syllable words. So, in English, instead of saying, "Mommy," they say, "Mama"; instead of saying, "Daddy," they say, "Dada!" In Hebrew, it's no different: Instead of saying "Abiy," they say, "Abba!" We are like little children just learning to talk, to God!

He's not communicating that to US; He's communicating that to OTHERS WITH US! Understand?

[Retrobyter]

6 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

I never read any of that in the word of GOD.  
I would ask for some scripture...but, alas...no need.  

Here is EXACTLY how I believe it took place.

Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Psalm 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.

Psalm 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.

Psalm 33:9 For HE SPAKE AND IT WAS DONE, HE COMMANDED AND IT STOOD FAST.  

Psalm 33:10 The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought: he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.

 

Shalom, DeighAnn.

Last post tonight. What does ANY of that have to do with the CREATION OF THE MAN?!

[DeighAnn]

26 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

That's FICTION!!! You're trying desperately to keep the old "soul-in-a-body" routine! It doesn't happen that way!

And, by the way, there's no "going to Heaven" because there's no "Heaven!" The word "heaven" is a translation word only for the words "shaamaayim" in Hebrew or "ouranos" in Greek! BOTH of these words mean "skies" (dual) and "sky," respectively! BOTH of these words are talking about the earth's ATMOSPHERE! They both are talking about where the birds fly, where the clouds float and rain, and where we see the lights of the round objects, called "galaxies" and "stars" and "planets" and "moons!"

That's fiction too?  That's true.  There is no scripture for that either. I didn't think what is written was being applied to everything in this conversation.  Is it? 

I am not 'desperately' trying to 'doing anything'.   I don't know where that came from.  I am quite calm and at peace.  


Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

THERE is a whole kingdom in heaven complete with God, thrones, living creatures, altars, rivers, saints, sinners, anti christs, adversaries the list goes on.  

 

Isaiah 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.

Isaiah 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.

Isaiah 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

Isaiah 6:4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.

Isaiah 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

Isaiah 6:6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:

Isaiah 6:7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.

Maybe I am misunderstanding 'No heaven'.  

Deuteronomy 4:36 Out of heaven he made thee to hear his voice, that he might instruct thee: and upon earth he shewed thee his great fire; and thou heardest his words out of the midst of the fire.

Deuteronomy 4:37 And because he loved thy fathers, therefore he chose their seed after them, and brought thee out in his sight with his mighty power out of Egypt;

Deuteronomy 4:38 To drive out nations from before thee greater and mightier than thou art, to bring thee in, to give thee their land for an inheritance, as it is this day.

Deuteronomy 4:39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

Deuteronomy 4:40 Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, for ever.

 

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

 

Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


And they are 'ages' not levels, IMHO.  

 

[DeighAnn]

54 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

I think you should use the word "symbolic" in the blank, rather than what you want to say (shhhhh... "spiritual").

There is not a soul on earth that can 'shhhh' any part of Gods word given me.