Book of Enoch?

[BlessedCreator]

1 minute ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Actually it's two verses in Jude, one verse in 2 Peter, and Jesus quotes it in Matthew, does that count?  The 66 books of the Protestant Bible didn't come together until the Reformation.  Before that, we were all using the books the Roman Catholic Church determined were inspired in about 405 AD plus the Apocrypha. 

Source: Bible Timeline

"The angels that sinned.—Better, the angels for their sin: it gives the reason why they were not spared, and points to some definite sin. What sin is meant? Not that which preceded the history of the human race, commonly called the fall of the angels—of that there is no record in the Old Testament; and, moreover, it affords no close analogy to the conduct of the false teachers. St. Jude is somewhat more explicit (Jude 1:6); he says it was for not keeping their own dignity—for deserting their proper home; and the reference, both there and here, is either to a common interpretation of Genesis 6:2 (that by “the sons of God” are meant “angels”), or, more probably, to distinct and frequent statements in the Book of Enoch, that certain angels sinned by having intercourse with women—e.g., Enoch vii. 1, 2; cv. 13 (Lawrence’s translation). Not improbably these false teachers made use of this book, and possibly of these passages, in their corrupt teaching. Hence St. Peter uses it as an argumentum ad hominem against them, and St. Jude, recognising the allusion, adopts it and makes it more plain; or both writers, knowing the Book of Enoch well, and calculating on their readers knowing it also, used it to illustrate their arguments and exhortations, just as St. Paul uses the Jewish belief of the rock following the Israelites. (See Note on 1Corinthians 10:4.)" -Ellicott commentary on 2 Peter 2:4 

If it actually was quoted, it was likely used not in support of it but to the contrary?

[Jedi4Yahweh]

45 minutes ago, BlessedCreator said:

One verse in Jude quotes Enoch the prophet. Just because the book of Enoch may have quoted Enoch the prophet as well, likely to make the book seem more legitimate, does not actually make it inspired. You have to look at the work as a whole and when you do that you see that there are things contrary to what we already know are the inspired words of God.

Inspired in the biblical sense means its inspired by the Holy Spirit.  Jude says Enoch prophesied the quote taken from the Book of Enoch.  Prophesied means it came by inspiration of the Holy Spirit.  Therefor we must take Jude at his word that Enoch was inspired by the Holy Spirit when he wrote the Book of Enoch.

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. [Jde 1:14-15 KJV]

[Starise]

12 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I'm not going into much detail and quote this and that but, just use some secular common sense and a bit of logic, and this "evolution" makes sense to me. I'd call it forbidden knowledge.

The smelting and refining of rock to produce metal and weapons. Did someone get up one morning and decide to build a fire hot enough to melt rock and refine the metal content. No; it had to have been taught and learned.

What about the brain surgeries performed by the ancient Egyptians; the massive monolithes globally; the potions and drugs they concocted concerning the spiritual realm. Did Mr. Knuckle Dragger get up one morning and decide; let's mix these plants with these roots and have a sorcery party. No, it was taught.

φαρμακεία pharmakeía, far-mak-i'-ah - from G5332; medication ("pharmacy"), i.e. (by extension) magic (literally or figuratively):—sorcery, witchcraft.

Did Ms. Hunch Back bridezilla one day decide to start wearing lipstick, paint and adorn her eyes to be more seductive, look into her highly polished mirror and say, "this should make Mister Dragger look my way". Then concoct a seductive perfume on her own. No, it had to be taught. 

The Great Pyramid of Giza and many other global ancient structures scream advanced mathematics and Pi. Their precise geographical location, alignments, construction, precise fit, design and materials; were not a product of trial and error. It had to have been taught by someone(s) I reason. 

 

And for the reasons given this is why I accept much of what the book says. Mainly because it can be backed up.

Men are presumptuous to believe all of our accomplishments were made with no outside help in my opinion.

If we look into many of the locations associated with the pagan gods we see many similarities. Due to lack of time I won't be able to post examples. Maybe later. 

Suffice it to say, temples went up almost overnight in some cases. There was clearly technology used unavailable to the common folk of the day. You don't precisely cut and more 30 ton stones and bring them from miles away using primitive techniques. Plenty of other examples.

[Dennis1209]

39 minutes ago, Starise said:

And for the reasons given this is why I accept much of what the book says. Mainly because it can be backed up.

Men are presumptuous to believe all of our accomplishments were made with no outside help in my opinion.

If we look into many of the locations associated with the pagan gods we see many similarities. Due to lack of time I won't be able to post examples. Maybe later. 

Suffice it to say, temples went up almost overnight in some cases. There was clearly technology used unavailable to the common folk of the day. You don't precisely cut and more 30 ton stones and bring them from miles away using primitive techniques. Plenty of other examples.

Yeah, we both could go on all day citing examples  But I haves me some chickens and chores to attend to shortly.

I think I could even make a case for getting help from the evil spiritual world in modern times. The disassembly of the 'Seat of Satan' and the Ishtar Gate'; and reassembled in Berlin, Germany. The help the Nazis got getting 50 years ahead in technology almost overnight. What von Braun said where they got their help from; the Nazis were not a political or ideological system; it was an evil satanic worship cult. 

For 2 cents, I might even throw in the Large Hadron Collider in the mix?

Here chick, chick, chick, chick...  

[Starise]

I will be forever associated with chickens here  Oh well it could be worse. LOL!

I appreciate the jest.  To think having the chickens wasn't even my idea!! I'm not really a chicken person. Not really a hobby.

I think there is much to be said about the Nazis in regard to secret knowledge. The Vril Society and other things many of them were into at the time. Generally speaking the occult mixed in with the idea that they were a master race.  Through operation Paper Clip we got many of them over here in the US free to continue unhindered in whatever they were working on. Many of the rest of them went on to South America to live great lives afterwards. Maybe even Hitler. ...........I think there's a VERY good argument that certain elements of government are involved with them even now. How they are presenting themselves is likely false. The space brothers who come in peace?

The ones whispering to new agers  they are from the planet Orion and they come in peace.  Those assisting remote viewers. Gotta open up that 3rd eye to see any of it. 

All of these roads lead back to the same place IMHO.

Take it or leave it. Like it or hate it. I made a few songs about 5 years go related to this and similar subjects. They are up so might as well link then since it's relevant.

One is called The " Heights of Zaphon". I worked with an Australian engineer to maybe put it out as a film runner to a show. It has very few words because we didn't know how it might be placed. If you listen you can hear me singing , I fell Far, from my star............this is a reference to the rebellion in heaven and the angels who fell from it.

 Those who studied Gods and mountains will see the relation to "Zaphon".

Here's another one I wrote with the idea of wise men or angels on mountains and the "war". This is referring to the spiritual war we are in and these entities who are involved in it. The " Wise Man Of Wongo" is one of the good guys fighting the evil guys. 

 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

3 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I think I could even make a case for getting help from the evil spiritual world in modern times. The disassembly of the 'Seat of Satan' and the Ishtar Gate'; and reassembled in Berlin, Germany. The help the Nazis got getting 50 years ahead in technology almost overnight. What von Braun said where they got their help from; the Nazis were not a political or ideological system; it was an evil satanic worship cult. 

 

The same Wernher Von Braun who headed NASA space program.

[BlessedCreator]

16 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Inspired in the biblical sense means its inspired by the Holy Spirit.  Jude says Enoch prophesied the quote taken from the Book of Enoch.  Prophesied means it came by inspiration of the Holy Spirit.  Therefor we must take Jude at his word that Enoch was inspired by the Holy Spirit when he wrote the Book of Enoch.

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. [Jde 1:14-15 KJV]

We don't know that the book of Enoch was written by Enoch just because Enoch himself was quoted in it. If I wrote the "Epistle of Enoch" and made up a bunch of stuff and then quoted Enoch the prophet a couple times, would you say the entire epistle was written by Enoch?

[Justin Adams]

3 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

The same Wernher Von Braun who headed NASA space program.

...and did you read about "operation paperclip"..? All that German 'scientific experimentation' could not go to waste; and later the deliberate injecting of ordinary people undergoing simple medical procedures in the late 40s. Oh, the injections were a nuclear isotope experiment - yes, they got very sick and some died. And of course the army was air-seeding the west with ticks infected with Lyme's disease. Check out Plumb Island and its history.

I could go on, it is all common knowledge.

Edited November 5, 2020 by Justin Adams

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18 hours ago, BlessedCreator said:

One verse in Jude quotes Enoch the prophet. Just because the book of Enoch may have quoted Enoch the prophet as well, likely to make the book seem more legitimate, does not actually make it inspired. You have to look at the work as a whole and when you do that you see that there are things contrary to what we already know are the inspired words of God.

You'll have to provide examples.  One one hand we have your posts, on the other we have biblical scholars like Dr. Michael S. Heiser.  Jude calls Enoch a preacher of righteousness and a prophet.  He didn't use the words lightly.  Should the book of Jude now be excluded from the bible?

[Jedi4Yahweh]

14 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

...and did you read about "operation paperclip"..? All that German 'scientific experimentation' could not go to waste; and later the deliberate injecting of ordinary people undergoing simple medical procedures in the late 40s. Oh, the injections were a nuclear isotope experiment - yes, they got very sick and some died. And of course the army was air-seeding the west with ticks infected with Lyme's disease. Check out Plumb Island and its history.

I could go on, it is all common knowledge.

Yeah I am familiar with Operation Paperclip.  Look up Werhner Van Braun, Allister Crowley and Jack Parsons connection with NASA.