Are you sure that you are sure that you are sure that you are absolutely certain?

[JohnD]

The Bible tells us to prove all this (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

including the spirits / the Holy Spirit (1 John 4:1) by the scriptures

themselves (Acts 17:11).

If someone showed you from the Bible what you believed with all your

heart to be absolute truth may not be true...

would you at least check it out?

Or would you hold stubbornly onto to what you believe / made up your own mind

is true?

[missmuffet]

This means to examine things for soundness, in order to know whether to receive or reject them. This is what led to the great creeds and articles of faith in the past, and it is what will help us know what we believe and why we believe it today.

[JohnD]

16 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

This means to examine things for soundness, in order to know whether to receive or reject them. This is what led to the great creeds and articles of faith in the past, and it is what will help us know what we believe and why we believe it today.

Like the Apostle's creed?

[JohnD]

The Apostle's Creed begins in error:

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

Isaiah 44:24 / John 1:1-3 / Colossians 1:13-16 / Hebrews 1:2

all say Jesus did this alone by himself preincarnate.

[johnthebaptist]

6 hours ago, JohnD said:

The Bible tells us to prove all this (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

including the spirits / the Holy Spirit (1 John 4:1) by the scriptures

themselves (Acts 17:11).

If someone showed you from the Bible what you believed with all your

heart to be absolute truth may not be true...

would you at least check it out?

Or would you hold stubbornly onto to what you believe / made up your own mind

is true?

The Lord solves all my problems for me. What more proof do I need?

[R. Hartono]

6 hours ago, JohnD said:

The Bible tells us to prove all this (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

including the spirits / the Holy Spirit (1 John 4:1) by the scriptures

themselves (Acts 17:11).

If someone showed you from the Bible what you believed with all your

heart to be absolute truth may not be true...

would you at least check it out?

Or would you hold stubbornly onto to what you believe / made up your own mind

is true?

This is the important of the gift of prophetic utterance (Xenolalia) mentioned by Paul in my church, given to rebuke n build each member who gather to worship, also the gift of vision regarding the condition of each member. This is call two way communication instead of One Way talking2 to God in many churches.

Edited November 10, 2020 by R. Hartono

[Don19]

I've known the truth. Jesus said Satan does not cast out Satan.

[ReneeIW]

21 hours ago, JohnD said:

If someone showed you from the Bible what you believed with all your

heart to be absolute truth may not be true...

would you at least check it out?

Or would you hold stubbornly onto to what you believe / made up your own mind

is true?

This is a good question. If I’m honest, I probably would be stubborn. For instance, I have met several people who claim they can prove that Jesus Christ is  not God. I would not give those arguments  the time of day. At this point in my faith, I just feel tired and want to rely solely on the grace and beauty of Christ and avoid theological discussions though I recognize how important they are for the Church as a whole.

[JohnD]

1 hour ago, ReneeIW said:

This is a good question. If I’m honest, I probably would be stubborn. For instance, I have met several people who claim they can prove that Jesus Christ is  not God. I would not give those arguments  the time of day. At this point in my faith, I just feel tired and want to rely solely on the grace and beauty of Christ and avoid theological discussions though I recognize how important they are for the Church as a whole.

Mark 7:7 (NIV84)
7 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’

Mark 7:13 (NIV84)
13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

Worshiping Christ is vain if by the traditions of man (which nullifies the Word of God). 

How much of the traditions of man do we buy into?

 

[JohnD]

1 hour ago, ReneeIW said:

This is a good question. If I’m honest, I probably would be stubborn. For instance, I have met several people who claim they can prove that Jesus Christ is  not God. I would not give those arguments  the time of day.

This is good. But I strongly urge everyone to prove why they believe what they believe. 

And that means studying the scriptures under the tutelage of the Holy Spirit (2 Timothy 2:15 / 2 Peter 1:20-21 / John 14:26 / John 15:26)

The Bible teaches Jesus is God incarnate:

John 16:27 (AV)
27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Philippians 2:5–11 (AV)
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

The first highlighted phrase in verse 6 in the Greek is morphe theos huparchon = never ceasing to be God. And of course, how can one be equal with God who is not also God?