Trinity and the Deity of Christ

[NotAllThere]

19 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

It does not change the meaning of the verse, that God has revealed his divine nature through his creation and can be known and understood though the things he created.  Primarily man whom he made in HIS very own image and likeness.  God is not some alien concept that can not be understood by humans.  We are the very image and likeness of God. God is not hiding his divine nature as you stated that its too complicated for us to know or understand.  If you believe God is three persons/Gods yet one God then you have invented a concept that can not be understood or explained.  This is why you and others default to God is too complicated to understand when asked to explain. Yes, Godhead simply means divine nature as I stated and it does not mean Trinity as I heard you and others teach.  As if God is some kind of union of three separate gods forming a single God.  

One question. Do you believe in the Trinity, that God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? If not, I've nothing further to say to you. Sorry.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

7 hours ago, NotAllThere said:

One question. Do you believe in the Trinity, that God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? If not, I've nothing further to say to you. Sorry.

You dont read very well do you.  Go back and look at my post.

[JohnD]

John 1:1–2 (AV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.

1 John 1:1–2 (AV)
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

Genesis 1:1–2 (AV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Same time frame, God the Word with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

There are three individuals who are the one God.

[JohnD]

John 1:3 (AV)

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Colossians 1:16 (AV)

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

 

Isaiah 44:24 (AV)

24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

 

We've already established that the Father (1 John 1:1-2) and the Holy Spirit (Genesis 1:1-2) were present with him (God the Word) but he acted alone in creation. 

 

Genesis 1:1 says "GOD" crated the heavens and the earth.

 

Jesus is as much God as the Father or the Holy Spirit plus Jesus has a human body as well.

[steve morrow]

??? ALL  THINGS  --  ALL  THINGS

1 CORINTHIANS 15:24  then cometh the end when  HE  shall have delivered up the kingdom to  GOD  EVEN  THE  FATHER  when  HE  shall have put down all rule and all authority and power 

--15:25-- for  HE  must reign till  HE  hath put all enemies under  HIS  feet  --15:26-- the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death 

--15:27-- for  HE  hath put  ALL  THINGS  under  HIS  feet but when  HE  saith all things are put under  HIM  it is manifest that  HE  is excepted which did put  ALL  THINGS under  HIM

--15:28-- and when  ALL  THINGS  shall be subdued unto  HIM  then shall  --THE  SON  ALSO  HIMSELF-- BE  SUBJECT  UNTO  HIM  THAT  PUT  ALL  THINGS UNDER  HIM  ---  THAT  GOD  MAY  BE  ALL  IN  ALL  ---

 

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HEBREWS 1:1  GOD  who at sundry times and in diverse manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets  --1:2-- hath in these last days --SPOKEN-- unto us by  HIS  SON  whom  HE  appointed heir of  --ALL  THINGS-- by whom also  --HE  MADE  THE  WORLDS--

--1:3-- who being the brightness of  HIS  glory and --THE  EXPRESS  IMAGE  OF  HIS  PERSON--  and upholding --- ALL  THINGS --- by the word of  HIS  power when  --HE  HAD  BY  HIMSELF  PURGRED  OUR  SINS-- sat  down on the right hand of -- THE  MAJESTY  ON  HIGH --

 

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PROVERBS 28:5  EVIL  MEN  UNDERSTAND  NOT  JUDGEMENT  BUT  THEY  THAT  SEEK  THE  LORD  UNDERSTAND  --ALL  THINGS-- 

JOHN 8:43  WHY  DO  YOU  NOT  UNDERSTAND  MY  SPEECH  EVEN  BECAUSE  YOU  CANNOT  HEAR  MY  WORD 

2 TIMOTHY 2:7  CONSIDER  WHAT  I  SAY  AND  THE  LORD  GIVE  YOU  UNDERSTANDING  IN  --- ALL  THINGS ---

PROVERBS 21:16  THE  MAN  THAT  WANDERETH  OUT  OF  THE  WAY  OF  UNDERSTANDING  SHALL  REMAIN  IN  THE  CONGREGATION  OF  THE  DEAD

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

[NotAllThere]

 

19 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

You dont read very well do you.  Go back and look at my post.

You could have just answered. Instead you decided to be nasty. I read perfectly well, I did not however review the entire thread and hadn't read your first post. I have now.

You do not believe in the Trinity. Your choice. 

I hope one day that the Lord will correct you. 

Edited November 14, 2020 by NotAllThere

[missmuffet]

On 11/10/2020 at 2:21 PM, Episcopius said:

I recently spent quite a bit of time at a board where there were a whole lot of posters - Christians - who did not believe in the Trinity - and/or did not believe that Jesus was God.

It seemed to me a Haven for Heretics - yet they were sincere, many well-versed in Greek, otherwise-intelligent posters who said Jesus was Son of God but not actually God.

I just wanted to get a feel for how important these issues are here.

In almost all cases, I have found that those who don't believe in Trinity also do not believe Jesus was God, not in all cases, but almost.

Just wondered what folks on this board thought.

 

 

I would not waste my time going to a site where people did not believe in the Holy Trinity which is one of the essentials of our faith.  Knowing that there is God the Father, and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is very important. 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

10 hours ago, NotAllThere said:

 

You could have just answered. Instead you decided to be nasty. I read perfectly well, I did not however review the entire thread and hadn't read your first post. I have now.

 

I responded with same harshness you showed towards me.

12 hours ago, NotAllThere said:

You do not believe in the Trinity. Your choice. 

Correct, I dont believe in the Trinity at least in the way it is being taught. I don't believe God is three "persons" that form a single God.  I do believe the Father, Holy Spirit and Y'shua are one and the same person/God, not three separate persons, beings or gods.   Scriptures declare there is only one God and there are no other God or savior besides him. 

• "I, even I, am the LORD [Yahwah], And there is no savior besides Me. [Isa 43:11 NASB]
• Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD: [Deu 6:4 KJV]
• And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: [Mar 12:29 KJV]

Gen 1 says God created all things.  Then we read in John 1 that Y'shua/Jesus created all things.  This is either a direct contradiction or are they are the same person.  

• In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [Gen 1:1 NASB]
• He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him [Y'shua]. [Jhn 1:10 NASB]

The mystery of the Gospel is that God came in the flesh [Y'shua] to save us from our sins.  The God in heaven whom made all things is the same God that came in the flesh.  If you dont believe this then you really dont know who Jesus is. 

 

[steve morrow]

BRETHREN  ??

if you are of the beloved brethren -- a child of THE  MOST  HIGH -- will you not then do what  JESUS  commands

 

LUKE 8:21 and  HE  answered and said unto them  MY  mother and  MY  brethren are these which hear the word of  GOD  and do it 

ACTS 5:20 go stand and speak in the temple to the people --ALL  THE  WORDS  OF  THIS  LIFE--

1 CORINTHIANS 1:10  now I beseech you brethren by the name of our  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST  that you all speak the same thing and that there be  --NO  DIVISIONS-- among you but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgement 

 

LUKE 1:74 that  HE  would grant unto us that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve  HIM  without fear   

--1:75--IN  HOLINESS  AND  RIGHTEOUSNESS  BEFORE  HIM  ALL  THE  DAYS  OF  OUR  LIFE 

1 JOHN 3:10  IN  THIS  THE  CHILDREN  OF  GOD  ARE  MANIFEST  AND  THE  CHILDREN  OF  THE  devil  WHOSOEVER  DOETH  NOT  RIGHTEOUSNESS  ---IS  NOT  OF  GOD---  NEITHER  HE  THAT  LOVETH  NOT  HIS  BROTHER 

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1 JOHN 2:9 he that saith he is in the light and hateth his brother is in darkness even until now  --2:10-- he that loveth his brother abideth in the light and there is --none occasion--of stumbling in him 

1 TIMOTHY 2:12  BUT  I  SUFFER  NOT  A  WOMAN TO  TEACH  NOR  TO  USURP  AUTHORITY  OVER  THE MAN  BUT  TO  BE  IN  SILENCE 

PSALM 12:4  WHO  HAVE  SAID  WITH  OUR  TONGUE  WILL  WE  PREVAIL  OUR  LIPS  ARE  OUR  OWN  WHO  IS  LORD  OVER  US 

PROVERBS 21:30  THERE  IS  --NO  WISDOM--NOR  UNDERSTANDING--NOR  COUNSEL--  AGAINST  THE  LORD

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PSALM 119:130  THE  ENTRANCE  OF  THY  WORDS  GIVETH  LIGHT  IT  GIVETH  UNERSTANDING  UNTO  THE  SIMPLE  

JOHN 8:12  THEN  SPAKE  JESUS  UNTO  THEM  SAYING  I  AM  THE  LIGHT  OF  THE  WORLD  HE  THAT  FOLLOWETH  ME  SHALL  NOT  WALK  IN  DARKNESS  BUT  SHALL  HAVE  THE  LIGHT  OF  LIFE 

 

1 CORINTHIANS 8:5  FOR  THOUGH  THERE  BE --THAT  ARE  CALLED  GODS-- WHETHER  IN  HEAVEN  OR  IN  EARTH  AS  THERE  BE  GODS  MANY  AND  LORDS  MANY 

---8:6---  BUT  UNTO  US  THERE  IS  BUT  ONE  GOD  THE  FATHER  OF  WHOM  ARE  --ALL  THINGS-- AND  WE  IN  HIM  AND  ONE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST  BY  WHOM  ARE  --ALL  THINGS--  AND  WE  BY  HIM

JOHN 3:35  ---THE  FATHER  LOVETH  THE  SON---  AND HATH  GIVEN   --ALL THINGS--   INTO  HIS  HAND  

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST  

 

[Your closest friendnt]

On 11/10/2020 at 7:05 PM, Episcopius said:

I think Athanasius fought like crazy over it in the 300's AD. He got sent into exile 5 times but kept coming back. Now days it is not just Jehovah's Witnesses bringing a comeback to Arianism. Non-Trinnies and NOT-GODDERS all over the net saying "aint no Tinity" and saying "Jesus is Not God - just ' a good man' " or whatever...

Jesus is God, and all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily in Him.

The Godhead is the biblical term for the Trinity.

 

 

What scriptures you are referring to support these statements in the last two paragraphs: 

On 11/10/2020 at 7:05 PM, Episcopius said:

Jesus is God, and all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily in Him.

The Godhead is the biblical term for the Trinity.

In case someone asks we have an answer...

And if someone wants to know. 

I believe in the Heavenly Father, the Father of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and our Father in the New Testament, (but not in the old Testament) and in Jesus Christ the Son of God, our Everlasting Father, who was ascended from the heart of the earth and not alone to the highest in Heaven and is sitted on the the Throne of Heaven (reserved for the Christ of God) to the right of the Heavenly Father, being made Lord of All, and King of Kings rules forever more, without end, and the Holy Spirit in the New Testament who was given for the first time on the day of Penticost, and is on earth and amongst other things is testifying to everyone who hears the Gospel that it is truth about Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ preaching the Gospel to the dead who had died before him and his disciples through out the generations commition to preach the Gospel with the help of the Holy Spirit to the living in all the Nations of the world forever more.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ gave them PASTORS,EVANGELISTS, TEACHERS, GIFTS OF HEALINGS....

But not Priests...

And why? The priests were needed to offered the sacrifices and the sacrifices have siege...

In the Mosaic Law the Rabbis were the ones to teach the people about God , the people were going to the Synagogue.

Just like the churches...

Basileion Ierateuma cannot be for the people under the Sinai Covenant...

We need to be the seed of the King Jesus Christ who made us a Nation of Priests, the seed of the King Jesus the Christ is made unto a nation of Priest...

The sign of the coming end of the Aaronic Priesthood was Zacharias. 

And the bishopstick was taken from Aaron and his family and given to someone else and his family..

Abraham was not the EVERLASTING Father....

The inheritor of Heaven and Earth is the EVERLASTING Father our Lord Jesus Christ...

Who liberated Abraham and his seed from their captivity...and none with him was lost...when he went to meet Abraham and everyone who was with him immediately after his death on the Cross...that time Jesus gave them forgiveness of sins in his name and they all ate from the bread of life...the first ones to be the body of Jesus Christ...

The way Abraham liberated Lot from his captivity...and they all ate the bread of life and they drink the wine of the priest of God , not only them Abraham and Lot but everyone else who was with them.

The same way Jesus Christ after Abraham he went to offer the bread of life and forgiveness of sins to the rest of the world including the lost sheep of Israel....in the parable of Jesus and the parable of the rich man crying for help...

Jesus Christ died for all..

Edited November 16, 2020 by Your closest friendnt