Controversial Christian topics with practical differences based on belief

[David1701]

21 hours ago, teddyv said:

I disagree, but mainly because of your terminology which I would say is inaccurate. Evolution, as in the the Theory of Evolution is a valid scientific theory, and currently the leading explanation for the diversity of life on our planet. If you want to contrast it against Creationism, then I would suggest it would be more accurate to term it as "Evolutionism".

If we take "theory" in a strict scientific sense, then molecules to man Evolution is not a theory at all (since it is not testable, repeatable or falsifiable); rather, it is a series of assumptions and suppositions, welded together, to form a systematic whole.

I accept your point about "Evolutionism" being the counterpart to "Creationism", from a linguistic point of view.

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ToE is not making any claim as to cause or origin. It starts with the baseline that life exists.

Some Evolutionists start there; but many believe (and state) that inanimate matter somehow came alive, without any intervention by God.

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In fact the leading creationist organizations are actively embracing parts of evolutionary theory (although by necessity, speeding it up a lot).

This is a very biased way of putting it!  If you are referring to things like natural selection and speciation, those are not specific to Evolution; in fact, they exist very well without evolution (i.e. macro evolution).

[David1701]

On 11/17/2020 at 7:35 PM, teddyv said:

As long as you are using 'evolutionists' in the sense of a philosophical view.

The suppositions that constitute Evolutionism cannot exist without the undergirding, secular philosophy.

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Alive said:

Heb. 9:27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,

Can you elaborate a little bit to be able to understand what Hebrews 9.27 wants to tell us. 

[Alive]

8 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Can you elaborate a little bit to be able to understand what Hebrews 9.27 wants to tell us. 

No such thing as reincarnation.

[Your closest friendnt]

15 hours ago, Alive said:

Hebrews 9:27

 ²⁷ And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 

15 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Can you elaborate a little bit to be able to understand what Hebrews 9.27 wants to tell us. 

 

15 hours ago, Alive said:

No such thing as reincarnation.

Your reply to a post in page 6, to someone who raised the issue of reincarnation, within the strict meaning of the example of Elisha  being born again as John the Baptist...(nothing to do with the Eastern religious beliefs of reincarnation..

You posted Hebrews 9:27...

^{27 "}And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". 

Suggesting that Hebrews 9: 27 refutes the notion of reincarnation as it was suggested in the example of Elisha coming back to life by birth as John the Baptist...based on scriptures that were not posted for discussion...

 John the Baptist never claimed to be Elisha...while John lived here on earth, Elisha was alive in the Place where he was and if asked he would be called to testify that he is Elisha the time John was alive...

We will have two individuals...

Who will some day meet and greet one another...everyone having his own individual story...

John said that he is "the prophet in the book of Esaiah"...

the Hebrews 9:27 suggest that in that day of Judgment   Elisha will be stand and judged for what Elisha is responsible on account for Elisha...and John the Baptist for what John the Baptist is accountable for...we have two specific individuals...and two specific appearances and judgements...and two specific individuals still living after death, always existing as a proof that were rightfully judged for their own actions and not the actions for someone elses...

Always being a living testimony as to what happens to someone who has been judged and as a proof that Judgment was carried and was executed...

A search for each individual will always proved that judgement was rightfully executed...

Hebrews 9:27 disproves annihilation of  anyone...

Everyone all the time being alive to where ever they are and able to be used as a witness against anyone who tries to still their identity...

[popsthebuilder]

8 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

Your reply to a post in page 6, to someone who raised the issue of reincarnation, within the strict meaning of the example of Elisha  being born again as John the Baptist...(nothing to do with the Eastern religious beliefs of reincarnation..

You posted Hebrews 9:27...

^{27 "}And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". 

Suggesting that Hebrews 9: 27 refutes the notion of reincarnation as it was suggested in the example of Elisha coming back to life by birth as John the Baptist...based on scriptures that were not posted for discussion...

 John the Baptist never claimed to be Elisha...while John lived here on earth, Elisha was alive in the Place where he was and if asked he would be called to testify that he is Elisha the time John was alive...

We will have two individuals...

Who will some day meet and greet one another...everyone having his own individual story...

John said that he is "the prophet in the book of Esaiah"...

the Hebrews 9:27 suggest that in that day of Judgment   Elisha will be stand and judged for what Elisha is responsible on account for Elisha...and John the Baptist for what John the Baptist is accountable for...we have two specific individuals...and two specific appearances and judgements...and two specific individuals still living after death, always existing as a proof that were rightfully judged for their own actions and not the actions for someone elses...

Always being a living testimony as to what happens to someone who has been judged and as a proof that Judgment was carried and was executed...

A search for each individual will always proved that judgement was rightfully executed...

Hebrews 9:27 disproves annihilation of  anyone...

Everyone all the time being alive to where ever they are and able to be used as a witness against anyone who tries to still their identity...

The bible is clear that it is for each to die at least once.

 

It is also clear that there will be some who are actually destroyed, not to ever return from death/ judgement.

Edited November 19, 2020 by popsthebuilder

[Your closest friendnt]

16 hours ago, popsthebuilder said:

The bible is clear that it is for each to die at least once.

 

It is also clear that there will be some who are actually destroyed, not to ever return from death/ judgement.

I do not bye the statement "the bible say this and that". 

You know better than you have to post the scriptures you have at hand and before I ask...

The scriptures that you believe proves your claims...

Your reincarnation beliefs not for everyone but in the specific example of Elisha and John the Son of Zaharias...do you have any scriptural support? 

Is to what happened in the mount of configuration refutes your claim of Elisha does not exist anymore...or that Zaharias is not the Father of John. 

Both Elisha and John the Baptist were born and live at different times...Elisha did not died and John died...Elisha appeared in the mountain of configuration after the birth, and death of John the Baptist...and they both have been honor from Jesus Christ each one receiving his own recognition for their service to the Lord...

John dying, doing what God had asked him to do and Elisha being taken by God and not having to  experience death. 

Edited November 20, 2020 by Your closest friendnt

[popsthebuilder]

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I do not bye the statement "the bible say this and that". 

You know better than you have to post the scriptures you have at hand and before I ask...

The scriptures that you believe proves your claims...

Your reincarnation beliefs not for everyone but in the specific example of Elisha and John the Son of Zaharias...do you have any scriptural support? 

Is to what happened in the mount of configuration refutes your claim of Elisha does not exist anymore...or that Zaharias is not the Father of John. 

How can we have both Elisha and John existing at the same time? 

I don't believe in reincarnation. It was just something interesting that I had spoken with someone else about. John the baptist said he wasn't Elias. That's good enough for me. I believe both Elias and John has a specific task and Spirit imparted to them by GOD. that they both preached repentance; turning towards GOD.

[Your closest friendnt]

8 hours ago, popsthebuilder said:

I don't believe in reincarnation. It was just something interesting that I had spoken with someone else about. John the baptist said he wasn't Elias. That's good enough for me. I believe both Elias and John has a specific task and Spirit imparted to them by GOD. that they both preached repentance; turning towards GOD.

 My apologies for posting in a strong fashion...I am working on that...

Thank you for your response. 

Edited November 20, 2020 by Your closest friendnt

[popsthebuilder]

On 11/20/2020 at 12:03 AM, Your closest friendnt said:

 My apologies for posting in a strong fashion...I am working on that...

Thank you for your response. 

No apologies needed my friend. We are here to discuss. 

 

Here's a quick topic up for discussion.

 

Why is it that the word holidays isn't Holydays? Is this an attempt to remove said days from their religious roots?