Paul an Apostle?

[johnthebaptist]

3 hours ago, Josheb said:

 

 

Proverbs 27:2
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."

Matthew 18:1-4
"At that time the disciples came to Jesus and said, 'Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?'  And He called a child to Himself and set him before them,  and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.  'Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.'"

Matthew 20:24-27
"And hearing this, the ten became indignant with the two brothers.  But Jesus called them to Himself and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them.  "It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant,  and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave;"

This is why we should listen only to Jesus' words. Jesus taught us to be humble and not self-aggrandize. Paul claimed to be an apostle but self-promotion is contrary to Jesus' words. If Paul really were an apostle he would not have brought glory to himself. The other NT writers didn't throw around their apostleship. We can see in his later letters Paul copied their example, calling himself a bond servant, not an apostle.

 

 

This is the kind of argument made by adherents of Jesuism.

 

 

 

This is a fascinating post. I have no problem with Paul calling himself an apostle. I think we can learn a lot from him. But if you are of the opinion that only Jesus and God had the authority to create law, I would agree with you.

[Guest kingdombrat]

2 hours ago, SisterWells said:

Yes, in Acts 15:20 James instructs Paul to teach certain things (such as not eating meat with blood still in it) and James takes it a step further by saying that they will learn the rest on Saturdays at Synagogue.

Paul says an idol is nothing

John says Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

 

I have discovered from between the Fall of 70 A.D. until we find that our views are coming from the [Church Fathers], there are beliefs/theories/proofs these letters ranging from the Churches already set up by Paul and others to being hidden for protection, including the whereabouts of the Gospels and James, Jude, the others.   There was a sense of urgency in the "beginning" to reproduce copies.   I have no reason to doubt error in translations where some specific wording was mistaken.   

 

Paul, claims to be an Apostle of Christ, who is in constant communication with God and following what God tells him to do.    The same God that Paul is being directed by, is the same God who we are claiming "words" don't match up with when He walked the Earth.   This is a perfect example of [mistranslation].    

[Mike Mclees]

8 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

I have discovered from between the Fall of 70 A.D. until we find that our views are coming from the [Church Fathers], there are beliefs/theories/proofs these letters ranging from the Churches already set up by Paul and others to being hidden for protection, including the whereabouts of the Gospels and James, Jude, the others.   There was a sense of urgency in the "beginning" to reproduce copies.   I have no reason to doubt error in translations where some specific wording was mistaken.   

 

Paul, claims to be an Apostle of Christ, who is in constant communication with God and following what God tells him to do.    The same God that Paul is being directed by, is the same God who we are claiming "words" don't match up with when He walked the Earth.   This is a perfect example of [mistranslation].    

This man is only trying to confuse God word with you and others. Wisdom would be to avoid him. Satan Knew the bible and tied to confuse  Jesus also.

[Guest kingdombrat]

2 minutes ago, Mike Mclees said:

This man is only trying to confuse God word with you and others. Wisdom would be to avoid him. Satan Knew the bible and tied to confuse  Jesus also.

ok!

 

First of all, I am pointing out a view that Bible Scholars believe could have happened.  Show me where I am wrong at?

[Frits]

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

And all three are correct. 

Fries the brains of Jesuism. 

Besides, you left out Jesus' words. You see, if we don't listen only to Jesus then we get mixed messages. We cannot rely on all of scripture because only Jesus was incarnate of the Holy Spirt and only Jesus was God. All those other guys were flawed and taught wrong things. 

Get it together SisterWells.  

Hi Josheb,

The big difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament is, that at the time of the OT people wrote by the limited light they had then. Yet in the NT the Holy Spirit was poured out and the "truth came through Jesus Christ." (Jh.1:17)

The outpouring of God's Spirit makes it possible for the follower of the Lord Jesus to search even "the deep things of God."

'But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.' (1Co.2:10)

The Lord Jesus and his apostles were led and nurtured by the same Holy Spirit of God.
Moreover, John does not say that the Holy Spirit became flesh, but "the word became flesh." (Jn.1:14) You don't think "this guy" as you call him was mistaken?
The word of God became flesh in the Lord Jesus by birth. The word of God then became flesh in all the apostles of Jesus Christ, including Paul, through rebirth.
The word of God, through repentance and the baptism in the Holy Spirit, is still coming 'in flesh', in our flesh!
This process of spiritual birth and education is still ongoing. (1Jn.4:2-3, 2Jn.1: 7)

That the word of God became flesh in the Lord Jesus and His apostles is a thing of the past.
But 'erchomai' (G2064), is in the imperfect present tense. This therefore indicates that the Lord Jesus also takes shape in us in our time: the sincere believers follow the Lord Jesus in everything and, just like Him, receive the 'likeness' of God.

God bless.

[Starise]

10 minutes ago, Mike Mclees said:

This man is only trying to confuse God word with you and others. Wisdom would be to avoid him. Satan Knew the bible and tied to confuse  Jesus also.

I agree Satan tries to twist the word. To add things and omits things that are important. 

I don't think this rules out some discrepancies in translation. Or maybe better said, how we understand these translations. I like to hear these thoughts taken further.

If the text has discrepancies, then we are ahead in knowing. If it doesn't that will be proven too. Right?

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 minute ago, Starise said:

I agree Satan tries to twist the word. To add things and omits things that are important. 

I don't think this rules out some discrepancies in translation. Or maybe better said, how we understand these translations. I like to hear these thoughts taken further.

If the text has discrepancies, then we are ahead in knowing. If it doesn't that will be proven too. Right?

I am pointing if the comparison of words between Paul and Yeshua are in question (Who we believe by the WORD, His Spoken Word and His Directed Word through Paul), it seems the Bible would not have a conflict within the Perfect Word of God.   The flow continues harmoniously.   It could very well be due to a mistranslated word.

[Guest kingdombrat]

Christ's real name is YESHUA, but the langues then didn't have some letters of our known alphabet.   This is how we get Jesus, not Yeshua.   

[Guest kingdombrat]

By not having a letter or 2 to translate another language that uses those letters, you end up with interesting results.

[Marathoner]

1 minute ago, kingdombrat said:

Christ's real name is YESHUA, but the langues then didn't have some letters of our known alphabet.   This is how we get Jesus, not Yeshua.   

Jesus --- Iesous in the Greek --- is an English rendering of the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew name Yeshua. That's all.