This christian said : "Let us have the spirit of Joshua and Caleb it is time to take back the land for the Lord"!

[R. Hartono]

42 minutes ago, Uri said:

And if we're the new kingdom, the covenants have been completed, you're fighting for truth, not Trump. And family & freedom not rocky soil.

Better win America for Jesus say yeah yeah.

[Tristen]

3 hours ago, 1to3 said:

 

All these evangelic pastors showed recently in a post in Worthy by R.Hartono (that seems to have been taken down), these same pastors, they have that the spirit of kundalini=lucifer in them and their churches along side their ambition for personal wealth money making profit, they manifest the Kundalini spirit that has crept into the church, with jerkin's of the head, uncontrolled laughter, barking on all four like a dog, or cooing like a chicken or miowing like cat, the laying on of hands :Shaktipat  transfering fire into to others this kundalini spirit is demonic.

Here is a video link

THE KUNDALINI SPIRIT(COUNTERFEIT HOLY SPIRIT) AND YOGA

In this video a lady with blond grey hair and heavy make-up, who claims to have gotten out of that kundalini spirit gives by all looks and purposes a clear lecture about this kundalini spirit. Just by her dress, hair and make-up, I am not sure how much of it she has come out from it herself, again once you have been infected with that kundalini spirit, the person needs deliverance and it than may become a process of removal.I pray this young lady continue to grow and become more and more the child of God He intended for her to be, in the Blood Name of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus I pray this ! Amen! Amen! Amen!

Beware of the churches of today where they are laughing uncontrollably, jerking their heads about or on the flours like serpents or on all fours barking like a dog, or mowing like a cat, behaving like a chicken, howling like a wolf and anyone laying hands on you called :.Shaktipat

One of the fruits of the Spirit is self control.

1 Timothy 5:2222Do not be too quick in the laying on of hands and thereby share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure.

This "uncontrolled" behavior does not come from God, it is the Kundalini spirit manifesting now in churches. There is a great deception going on right now.

https://youtu.be/PsKyV5ztDZE

 

If we thinks a group of Christians are under the influence of a demonic spirit, then we pray for them - that God would save them from their deception and open their eyes to His truth. By the authority of Christ we release them from the grip of evil. We pray for them in humility and the fear of God - lest by any chance we speak against a work of God; a work that we simply do not understand.

Lift your concerns for these people before God, and trust that Jesus is Lord of His church. We should be careful and circumspect when it comes to criticising Christians - lest we align ourselves against God and with the "accuser of our brethren" (Revelation 12:10); the Slanderer (devil) and Adversary (satan).

 

[Tristen]

Hello @R. Hartono

Someone (not me) has hidden your comment to me - and this is the only way to tag you in to my response.

 

“If u watch that video you may want to reconsider calling them as christians but may be opportunists in church”

I'm not going to presume to call them anything. It is not my job to evaluate their legitimacy as Christians. If I have concerns about a ministry, I take those concerns to God. God's thoughts are above my thoughts. It is therefore possible that God is doing a work that I do not understand because it is none of my business. God forbid that I should unintentionally speak against His work.

 

“God didnt promise the land of America to christians or any Jews like He promised the land of Israel to the Hebrew”

But the Bible does explicitly encourage us to pray for “those in authority” (1 Timothy 2:1-3) - which is all I see in the provided quote.

 

“Have the spirit of Joshua and take back the land ? Quite a weirdo”

Any prophecy that utilises symbolism can be characterised by detractors as weird.

 

“When did God ever promised the land of America ?”

The Christian covenant is not administrative (i.e. not about land, but about individuals). Nevertheless, the US nation was founded by Christians based on Christian principles - which have been gradually eroded by the rise of secularism.

 

“Wasnt it the land of the native Indian who were put aside into reservation by European immigrants”

And before the Europeans displaced them, they went about displacing each other. This is irrelevant. The US became a great nation based on the aspirational Christian values reflected in its founding documents. Christians have as much right to use the democratic processes to fight to protect our Christian values – as much as the promoters of other values.

I understand that you think we should be wary of these supposed Christians, but the evidence you provided in your OP indicates that you are being overly persnickety. There is nothing overly weird in quote you provided. It just seems like a call to prayer for the current US Presidential Administration. Maybe they do other things that are weird. If so, pray for them.

 

[Justin Adams]

3 hours ago, 1to3 said:

This "uncontrolled" behavior does not come from God, it is the Kundalini spirit manifesting now in churches. There is a great deception going on right now.

It is wise to be circumspect. The Bethel churches may sometimes display weird behavior and I am a bit wary of some of them.

It is easy to point the finger and this requires perception and discernment. Do not assume it is restricted to silly antics either. If you come across extreme forms of pedantic doctrines and austere and stoic behavior, take care.

These unclean spirits are NOT fallen angels. The fallen holy ones are far above them and are mostly the territorial spirits that God put over the nations at Babel. The demons or unclean spirits (unclean due to 'mixtures' which God hates) are roaming around seeking humans to inhabit and influence. They are lower level spiritual beings (demons) and should not be tolerated. So many of the world's unschooled churches can be intimidated by these powers very easily because people want experiences. So these nasty spirits try to fake The Holy Spirit and by doing so, shut the door to many real spiritual experiences because people then become afraid of anything spiritual.

So there is a real threat that is not to be ignored. Under emphasis can be as detrimental as over emphasis!!

[R. Hartono]

37 minutes ago, Tristen said:

If we thinks a group of Christians are under the influence of a demonic spirit, then we pray for them - that God would save them from their deception and open their eyes to His truth. By the authority of Christ we release them from the grip of evil. We pray for them in humility and the fear of God - lest by any chance we speak against a work of God; a work that we simply do not understand.

Lift your concerns for these people before God, and trust that Jesus is Lord of His church. We should be careful and circumspect when it comes to criticising Christians - lest we align ourselves against God and with the "accuser of our brethren" (Revelation 12:10); the Slanderer (devil) and Adversary (satan).

 

Paul rebuked Demas who seeked the world  and proclaim it to the church, those people are blatantly seen as fake profits. They play the game of prophecy.

[R. Hartono]

16 minutes ago, Tristen said:

Hello @R. Hartono

Someone (not me) has hidden your comment to me - and this is the only way to tag you in to my response.

 

“If u watch that video you may want to reconsider calling them as christians but may be opportunists in church”

I'm not going to presume to call them anything. It is not my job to evaluate their legitimacy as Christians. If I have concerns about a ministry, I take those concerns to God. God's thoughts are above my thoughts. It is therefore possible that God is doing a work that I do not understand because it is none of my business. God forbid that I should unintentionally speak against His work.

 

“God didnt promise the land of America to christians or any Jews like He promised the land of Israel to the Hebrew”

But the Bible does explicitly encourage us to pray for “those in authority” (1 Timothy 2:1-3) - which is all I see in the provided quote.

 

“Have the spirit of Joshua and take back the land ? Quite a weirdo”

Any prophecy that utilises symbolism can be characterised by detractors as weird.

 

“When did God ever promised the land of America ?”

The Christian covenant is not administrative (i.e. not about land, but about individuals). Nevertheless, the US nation was founded by Christians based on Christian principles - which have been gradually eroded by the rise of secularism.

 

“Wasnt it the land of the native Indian who were put aside into reservation by European immigrants”

And before the Europeans displaced them, they went about displacing each other. This is irrelevant. The US became a great nation based on the aspirational Christian values reflected in its founding documents. Christians have as much right to use the democratic processes to fight to protect our Christian values – as much as the promoters of other values.

I understand that you think we should be wary of these supposed Christians, but the evidence you provided in your OP indicates that you are being overly persnickety. There is nothing overly weird in quote you provided. It just seems like a call to prayer for the current US Presidential Administration. Maybe they do other things that are weird. If so, pray for them.

 

Thanks bro.

Better win America for Jesus.

Whoever is the Potus.

[1to3]

6 hours ago, Tristen said:

If we thinks a group of Christians are under the influence of a demonic spirit, then we pray for them - that God would save them from their deception and open their eyes to His truth. By the authority of Christ we release them from the grip of evil. We pray for them in humility and the fear of God - lest by any chance we speak against a work of God; a work that we simply do not understand.

Lift your concerns for these people before God, and trust that Jesus is Lord of His church. We should be careful and circumspect when it comes to criticising Christians - lest we align ourselves against God and with the "accuser of our brethren" (Revelation 12:10); the Slanderer (devil) and Adversary (satan).

 

Yes of course we as Christian should pray for people caught in the grips of a great delusion, but just as importantly,

we as Christians are called to expose the lies of satans plan just as the bible exposes the lies of satans plan. We are called to be lights unto this world and share the gospel of salvation but that also includes warning them of the traps satan has put forth.

Ephesians 5:11-20

¹¹ And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

¹² For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

¹³ But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

¹⁴ Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

¹⁵ See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

¹⁶ Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

¹⁷ Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

¹⁸ And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

 

Ephesians 5:8-21

8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light

9 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth),

10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord.

11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.

13 But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light.

14 Therefore He says: "Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light."

15 See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools but as wise,

16 redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

17 Therefore do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is.

18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit,

19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord,

20 giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,

21 submitting to one another in the fear of God.

 

Edited January 5, 2021 by 1to3

[1to3]

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke 

[Uri]

18 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Better win America for Jesus say yeah yeah.

It is, rightly divided, the Great Commission. 

[Tristen]

11 hours ago, 1to3 said:

Yes of course we as Christian should pray for people caught in the grips of a great delusion, but just as importantly,

we as Christians are called to expose the lies of satans plan just as the bible exposes the lies of satans plan. We are called to be lights unto this world and share the gospel of salvation but that also includes warning them of the traps satan has put forth.

Ephesians 5:11-20

¹¹ And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

¹² For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

¹³ But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

¹⁴ Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

¹⁵ See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

¹⁶ Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

¹⁷ Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

¹⁸ And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

 

Ephesians 5:8-21

8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light

9 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth),

10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord.

11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.

13 But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light.

14 Therefore He says: "Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light."

15 See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools but as wise,

16 redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

17 Therefore do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is.

18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit,

19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord,

20 giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,

21 submitting to one another in the fear of God.

 

Hello 1to3,

When I read the quote in the OP, I see no evil to “reprove” or “expose”. I just see a call to prayer.

My concern is with the instinct of some Christians to readily judge and condemn other Christians on the basis that those other Christians are a bit different to us – and have some behaviours that are odd to us, or some slightly different doctrines to us. I think that instinct to judge other Christians is a satanic snare - to entice us to act alongside our enemy in accusing our brethren (Revelation 12:10). And we should therefore be very cautious about such public denigrations.

Even well-meaning, sincere Christians (who are actively performing ministry for God) can be in error on some issues. Or maybe it is we who are wrong, and God is doing something different through them that we do not understand because it is none of our business. Yet many seem eager to denounce the legitimacy of their Christianity. This speaks to me of a lack of humility and a lack of the fear of God (i.e. no fear of potentially speaking against a work of God) – which I find concerning.

I agree that if we encounter an obvious heresy, then we should endeavour to correct the error “in humility” (2 Timothy 2:25), and with the authority of scripture (2 Timothy 3:16). But I see a danger in setting ourself up as judge over God's church – as though God has given us the ministry of exposing and accusing and judging and condemning potential Christians. Such unabashed judgement wreaks of self-righteousness and setting oneself beyond correction.