Why good men go to hell?

[Your closest friendnt]

 

 

23 hours ago, Frits said:

Sister, you understand the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Your love for God has led Him to reveal this truth to you.

Blessed be the exalted Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whose grace we have been cleansed and received eternal life.
Hallelujah!

May the blessings of the Lord Jesus be upon you forever.

There something on your post that I need you to explain, this is the second paragraph. 

23 hours ago, Frits said:

Blessed be the exalted Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whose grace we have been cleansed and received eternal life.
Hallelujah!

"By whose grace we have been cleansed", 

and received eternal life".

Please elaborate what do you mean to say.  

[Frits]

On 1/17/2021 at 10:17 PM, Alive said:

Brother--I suggest that you do some research into what the 'Mercy Seat' was all about and consider carefully what is conveyed in the following scriptures for us by God:

Rom. 3:21 (NAS95S)   But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, ²² even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; ²³ for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, ²⁴ being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; ²⁵ whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; ²⁶ for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Now--if you think that you are sinless, then this will be of no use to you.

1John 1:5 (NAS95S)    This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. ⁶ If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; ⁷ but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. ⁸ If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. ⁹ If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. ¹⁰ If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

John and the Holy Spirit is communicating to the redeemed saints of the Most High God.

For Bro. Alive, for meditation on the basis of God's Word.

(preface)

On all forums in all my posts, there is no meaning to be found in which I deny that I used to be a sinner.
I was a sinner! Yet despite all the sins I have committed, today I am a righteous and good person.  And I owe that to the Lord Jesus Christ, who suffered in my place and because of my sins He died on the cross.
Nor can you find any comment from me that says I am perfect.  To quote Paul, I am not perfect yet but I do pursue it.

The fact that I did not go into Rm.3: 23 and 1Jh.1: 8, does not mean that I cannot explain it, or that one of my posts is in conflict with it.

1 John 1: 8 / Rom. 3:23

From the Scriptures we can determine that John resided mainly among his Jewish people, to bring them the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.  He accurately taught those who believed in the "new doctrine," that salvation is possible only through Jesus Christ.  (Act 2:42)
John was considered a 'pillar' among the Jewish believers, which is mentioned in Paul's letter to the Galatians, chapter 2 verse 9.
Clearly, then, John preached and taught primarily among those of "the circumcision."

In explaining John's biblical texts, it is important to see his work against the background of his Jewish audience and readers.
Along with Peter and James, John was pre-eminently the apostle to the Jews, which meant that he and his disciples were constantly dealing with the fanatical leaders of the Jewish religion!
The Jewish scribes and Pharisees thought that they were already righteous outside of the Lamb of God, on the basis of keeping the law.
Moreover, in the religious heart of Jerusalem, the Jews had their temple, they had the priests with their worship, they had the circumcision as a sign of covenant, they had such writings as the Tanakh and the Talmud, and they had the said law that Moses upon a mountain in Arabia had received.  The OT Jews were the people of the Lord God.  Israel had been set apart by God from the other nations, and the Jew had a superiority complex!

The conclusion was that the religious Jews already considered themselves righteous, and thus did not need the Lord Jesus Christ!

Master and apprentice

That is why the Jewish elite of scribes, Pharisees, and Sadducees boasted of their special position and looked down on those who did not know the law of God!

"But these people who don't know the law are cursed." (Jh.7:49)

But Jesus pointed out the rottenness of their religious motives, and to those who thought they did not need Him because of their traditions, the Master said:

'Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see;  therefore your sin remaineth.' (Jh.9: 41)

People did not want to accept the tremendous salvation of God through the cleansing of the faith in the blood of the Savior Jesus Christ!  And as for their temple, He spoke that they could destroy it.  Finally, He said, it would be completely and definitively given up. (Mt.23:38)

The teachings of the Torah and Talmud that the Jewish leaders imposed on the people, could fulfill the purpose God had set - 'Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.' The haughty Jewish Pharisees thought otherwise!  In a parable that the Lord Jesus Himself gave about this, we read of such a Jewish religious fanatic:

'The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.' (Luke 18:11)

It is the very religious elite of the Jewish people with whom the Lord Jesus constantly clashed and who eventually killed Him!
The temple teachers of Jewish doctrine of duty could not accept that the Lord Jesus preached repentance and forgiveness of sins outside of their religion!  According to the Torah scholars, outwardly they had to live exactly by the law, while at the same time clinging to the darkness in their hearts. However, whoever kept out of the duty of the Torah and lived according to Jerusalem in the Jewish tradition, was mutually accepted and honored from them.
That was precisely the theme that the apostle John also had to deal with, when he went to testify among his Jewish people after the Day of Pentecost.
Just like his Lord, he too came into conflict with the teachings of the Jewish scribes because of the theme 'sin'.

The apostle John was not a Calvinist theologian, who here makes a case for the original sin theory. The concept of original sin does not even occur in Jewish tradition.
But to those who thought that they had no sin in keeping the law so strictly before the Jewish outside watch, John wrote that they were thereby deceiving themselves:

'If we (Superior Jews) say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.' (1Jh.1:8)

All the Gentiles without God's law were sinners, that was the Jewish belief.
For the same reason given by the Apostle Paul, John says that the Jews also sinned,  they have all sinned!  Also the Jews with God's law could not fulfill God's ultimate goal to live righteously and holy. (Rm.3:23) The burden of sin stood in everyone's way!
Every person needs the Lord Jesus as the Savior of sins if he or she wants to become a righteous person.
In the abolition of sin through faith in Jesus Christ, the principle also applies to this John text: 'first for the Jew, but also for the Greek'. (Rm. 2:9,10)

The sin problem

It is stated in Scripture that the sinner is a slave to sin!  Anyone who has worked very much in his iniquity earns great negative wages (debt) in heaven. The gross sinner has much guilt of sin! (Lc.7: 40-50)
Anyone who personally accepts Jesus Christ as Savior and firmly believes that He has also paid the price on Golgotha for his entire sin-debt, is thereby legally free from sin and guilt.  Hallelujah!  The moment the sinner does that one act of faith in Jesus' finished work, he is transformed into a righteous man. (Rm.5:1) Through the Gospel of Jesus Christ he has now become a righteous person. Now does this mean that he is already perfect?  No. That requires the 'growing up' of the 'new righteous man'.  (Eph.4:24 and 1Peter 2:2)
The path of faith that Jesus points out in His teaching really brings the sinner to life, causing him to arise as righteous. Then the growth power of the Holy Spirit brings this righteous man concretely into the form of the perfect man of God!  (Mt.5:48 and 2Tim.3:17) The growth of righteous people to perfection is a process, compared to walking the 'high' or 'holy way' on which Jesus is our Leader.  By justification the believing person is placed on the 'high road'. For it is written from the way of God: 'the unclean shall not pass over it' but 'the redeemed shall walk there'. (Isa.35:8,9)
The great salvation consists of the sinner believing in God and accepting the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

The sinner (Gentile or Jew) who says he has no sin makes Him a liar.  But whoever says he is still a sinner after accepting Jesus as the Savior of sins, makes His words and His work of no effect!
However, as long as the righteous man remains in the words of God, he cannot sin.  That's what John wrote in the third chapter of the same letter:

'Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;  for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.' (1Jh.3:9)

Man cannot achieve this on his own, but all things are possible to God. To walk in righteousness as God intended for His children from eternity, the righteous may therefore pray and receive His Spirit. (*) (Eph.2:10)

The born-again man may therefore no longer say that he is still a sinner, if he really believes that the Lord Jesus Christ has adequately paid for his sins. (Rm.5:8)

Like Orthodox Jewish teachings, parts of the Confession of Faith, and of the Heidelberg Catechism are diametrically opposed to the truth of the Kingdom of Heaven, such as the "doctrine of baptisms."  (Mark 16:16)
Note that according to Jesus, believing comes first and then baptism in water and the Spirit!
So it is imperative that faith in the baptism of the Holy Ghost follows faith in justification.

To his conversion, his belief in the 'burial' of the old sinner, and the resurrection of the new righteous man from the dead, the believer should bear witness by total immersion in (baptizo) and resurrection from a water bath.  (Col.2:12)
This is the express command of thr Lord Jesus to every believing man and woman who will obediently do what He has said.

'I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.'  (1Jh.2: 12)

(*) In other words, a person who does not fully believe in the redemption through Jesus the Lamb of God, remains an unrighteous person and cannot receive the baptism of God's Spirit!
And whoever consciously denies baptism by immersion in water will not make use of the baptism with the Holy Spirit, so that the Power and the guidance of God's Spirit cannot become reality!  After all, the Kingdom of God is not divided and what the Lord Jesus spoke during His preaching still applies today.

'Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.' (Jh.3: 5)

An insurmountable dilemma for the Jewish doctrine of duty, because people do not take new birth into account and in fact do not love Jesus and His words!
By not making use of adult baptism, man misses the 'gift of God', while he needs that very Power of God to be able to resist the powers of sin, to rule over them. (Gen.4: 7 and Eph.6:12)
The Holy Spirit, who receives the righteous prayer in faith, wants to take everything necessary from God and give it to him.  But concrete justice on the part of man is the first condition.

(appendix)

A righteous one and then?

The "doctrine of baptisms" is a fundamental Biblical concept in Heb.6:2, but it contrasts sharply with some passages from the Heidelberg Catechism and the Confession of Faith.

'Baptisms', here plural of the noun 'baptism'. So not only in water, but also with the Holy Spirit (and even with fire).

The Lord Jesus explicitly instructs His followers:

'For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.' (Jh.13:15)

It is in stark contrast to some passages from the Heidelberg Catechism and that of the (CRC / PRC) Confession of Faith.

It states that the believing man "is inclined to all evil" and that "his sins are increasing daily"!  And his "best works are defiled with sin."

The Confession of Faith also adds that even “baptism” does not “destroy” sin completely.
In this un-Scriptural picture, man is doomed to remain a sinner.
For those who think logically, the question immediately arises, what difference then does the unbelieving sinner make with the believing man who has been redeemed by the Lord Jesus Christ from his sins?!
It is easy to understand that people who adhere to such a false doctrine lose all courage, and believe that they can never become righteous on this side of the grave.
While the Bible clearly teaches us that the sinner who comes to faith in Jesus Christ, his sins are completely taken away. (1Jh.3:5) He has allowed himself to be washed and is now justified. (1Cor.6:11)
The man who has no knowledge of God's Word will have to confess that he remains a sinner all his life! (Hos.4:6)
The Heidelberg Catechism as well as the Geneva Catechism were invented by Olevianus, Ursinus, and the Frenchman Jehan Cauvin (Calvin). Their doctrines culminated in “corpus doctrinae” within today's CRC / PRC churches. The Confession of Faith is written by Guido de Brès, who in turn was a student of Calvin at the Geneva Academy.
All their writings are full of doctrines that seek to demonstrate the utter depravity of man but which, like Catholic tradition, the Jewish Kabbalah and Talmud, are nowhere else in Scripture!  (Mark 7:7)

How completely different is the Word of God in the Bible, in which God the Father very clearly presents to His children from His loving father's heart the good news:

“And this were some of you;  but you are washed, but you are sanctified,
but you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. ”

May our Lord Jesus Christ bless you.

Edited January 19, 2021 by Frits

[Frits]

7 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

 

There something on your post that I need you to explain, this is the second paragraph. 

"By whose grace we have been cleansed", 

and received eternal life".

Please elaborate what do you mean to say.  

Hi Ycf,

This statement of mine is the result of Jh.1:16.

'And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.'

The first gift of grace that we born-again Christians may receive, is the forgiveness of sins.  Which means that we are washed in the Blood of the Lamb of God.
The second gift of grace that we born-again Christians may receive, is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
The fact that we are now united in one with the Lord God by the Holy Spirit, we also share in His eternal Life.  (1Cor.6:17)

God bless.

[Mike Mclees]

On 1/15/2021 at 5:04 AM, Walter Goraj jr said:

Hi Mike. You stated "2 Peter 3:9 God is patient not wanting any to perish, but for everyone to come to repentence"

So if God doesn't "want" anyone to perish, why won't He then save them? God is almighty and powerful. If He wants something to be done, it will be done. Also, according to what many believe,  "everyones"  sins are paid for.  That must mean that everyone will go to heaven. For why would Christ's ultimate , perfect sacrifice only work for so many people but not others? 

God will not force his  faith on anyone. Life or death is a choice we make

God said to Israel I hold life and death, therefore choose life. Deut.30:19

Edited January 19, 2021 by Mike Mclees

[Your closest friendnt]

On 1/19/2021 at 9:00 AM, Josheb said:

I think what ycf is asking about is what grace means to you.

When saying, "By whose grace we have been cleansed", and received eternal life," can you elaborate more on that? I don't think ycf is asking about frst, second, and/or third gifts. 

And, Your closest friendnt, do please free to correct me if I have you incorrectly. 

Thank you for your willingness to act as a peace maker, a Great Mediator between two brothers in Christ.

For that I think you have earn the "Golden Busser". 

You are right, that was not the answer to my inquiry, I said inquiry and not a question, because there are more than one questions included in the use of the word "inquiry" that need to be answer. (at my understanding)

I am still sorting out my thoughts considering possible responses to my inquiry. 

You are right I do not agree, the answer put forwards is not the answer to my question.

And in the last paragraph talking about the Holy Spirit being our connection to Jesus Christ is correct and applies to those in  Jesus Christ, who were  adopted by the Spirit of Adoption of Jesus Christ when they first believe. 

The Holy Spirit, within the meaning of Paracletous represents Jesus Christ. And it works as the Paracletous with all those in Jesus Christ, and also we know that it works with everyone who have heard the Gospel, even with those not yet having heard the Gospel in the capacity to prepared those to whom the Gospel will be preached. 

Jesus said to his disciples if I do not go to the Heavenly Father, the Paracelsus can not come from the Father. I must be lifted up first. 

I will sent the Paracletous to you who comes from the Father to me after I have been lifted up, that's why I cannot give him to you now because is not given to me yet. 

Another issue is the used of the term born-again, instant of the use of the term "born from above ",

And further the Used of the term "Lord God " instant of Jesus Christ. 

The Lord God is a reference to the term "Lord God" of the Old Testament. 

To say our Lord and Savior is Jesus Christ is not the same as saying "Lord God ".

The "Lord God ", in the OT could not saved anyone from the fallen  inheritance after their death.

But he could only saved someone from the fallen Inheritance before they died. He only saved those he abducted from the earth before they died. 

If he had left them die he could not have them because the Inheritance for everyone after death was the death Inheritance. 

One of them is Enoch before the flood, the second is Elias (Elijah) within the Law and not because his obedience to the Law, but according to his obedience to what the Lord was asking him to do.

And Moses whom the Lord game him something that no one could have in the Law, not even the High Priest Aaron and it is not a strange thing for the Lord to take Both the deliverer and the High Priest from the same family, what a great message for a sermon. 

We see in the burning Bush that the Lord God had given Moses the Life to stand before before him or in his presence and Live and not died. 

That's why we see him in the mount of confirmation because the Lord God took him before he died.  

The Lord God could not take no man after his death, no one after he died. 

Edited January 20, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

13 minutes ago, Mike Mclees said:

God will not force his  faith on anyone. Life or death is a choice we make

God said to Israel I hold life and death, therefore choose life. Deut.30:19

This takes place withing the Old Testament and the Reference to the Lord God and the fact that the Lord God said that after he had given the Leviticus, the religious Calendar, the Priesthood, and the rest that are included in the Law then he said : chose to obey the Law so you can have the Life under the Law. 

In other words he was talking to his own people and not to the whole world.

[Your closest friendnt]

On 1/19/2021 at 8:52 AM, Frits said:

Hi Ycf,

This statement of mine is the result of Jh.1:16.

'And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.'

The first gift of grace that we born-again Christians may receive, is the forgiveness of sins.  Which means that we are washed in the Blood of the Lamb of God.
The second gift of grace that we born-again Christians may receive, is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
The fact that we are now united in one with the Lord God by the Holy Spirit, we also share in His eternal Life.  (1Cor.6:17)

God bless.

I want to thank you for your response to my inquiries, and I believe it is commendable from you to open your mind on line, it shows the quality of leadership. 

As you know  looking into John 1:16 I disagree that it can support the answer to the question at hand. 

We need then to look why John made this statement. 

With this statement John is distinguish between what the Law gave to Israel, like what Nicodemus could not have with his obedience to the Law and for that anyone who was under the Law and had lived under the Law in the past. 

One of the big distinctions between the two is that the Gospel of Jesus Christ it includes the whole world,

(the whole world from the first man, and Abraham and everyone of his seed who had died in obedience to the Law)

 The Law excluded the rest of the world. But it gave us the understanding that Abraham and his descendants they had God because God had clean the seed of Abraham. 

Looking into what this accomplish we have to look to what the Lord God had promised to Abraham and made it known to Moses and to all the descendants of Jacob when he said to Moses that he is still the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob and his family, and their families there after, even after they died.

In Exodus 3:6, 

Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God

God set them apart from the rest of the world not only in life  but also after death.

And he made something known to the people of Israel, that he is still  their God after their death but he is not the God of the dead.  

He was making known to them something about himself that set him above all the Gods of the earth, and greater than the God of the dead, who cannot touch his people after their death.

With that statement the Lord made it known, that all the people after they died were under the God of the dead, with the exception of his people the Israelites.

All the people regardess of their God when they died were gather to the God of the dead, with the exception of the Israelites and their Patriarchs. 

And the distinctions was made that the Lord God was above all Gods including the God of the dead. 

They were alive to God with the Covenant of Circumcision because of Abraham's righteousness imputed to them at the time of Circumcision, but they could not have the Life of God and be on his presence, because the Life comes with the righteousness of Jesus Christ. 

John who was the seed of Abraham  born under the Law and Circumcised and was in obedience to the Law thus being included in the people of God according to the Law. 

John an Israelite who was born into the Law, who was Circumcised and he had lived in obedience to the Law, knew that the rest of the world was excluded under the Law.

But now as a disciple of Jesus Christ was inviting everyone in the world to be included in God, by believing that Jesus Christ as the son of God had died on the Cross for the forgiveness of our sins. 

John who was a disciple of John the Baptist had understood what John was saying when he had said about Jesus Christ before having met him, when he first sow him from a distance for the first time without anyone telling him who Jesus was and only with the anointing within him he said: 

"The Lamb of God who takes away the Sin of the world"

In other words when Jesus Christ died on the Cross God cleansed by DEFAULT the rest of the world.

Everyone in the whole world was cleansed and thus was ready to believe in Jesus Christ and be accepted by God. 

The example is in the Cornelius family and Peter. 

Without the Circumcision and the water baptism God accepted their believing in him, and God surprised Peter and the men with him by pouring the Holy Spirit upon them with the same power as he had pour the Holy Spirit on the disciples including Peter on the day of Penticost. 

In other words the rein of death upon mankind was lifted up. 

God had made all mankind clean from the course of Adam, the death Inheritance from Adam. 

That's why the Gospel is preached and the invitation to believe is given to anyone regardless of their status and their ethnicity. 

All including Abraham and his descendants after him and the rest of the world who had died before the Cross were cleansed by DEFAULT by God in Jesus Christ death on the Cross. 

Making it possible for every believer beginning first with those who had died before the Cross to  Inherit the Heavenly Inheritance together with Jesus Christ. 

Rveryone who believed in Jesus Christ had by DEFAULT the forgiveness of sins. 

After the Cross the invitation to choose Life or death is given to those who have heard and understood the message of the Gospel, because they were in the position to believe unto Life or to refuse to believe which put them unto death by DEFAULT, but only if they would died in the denial of the Cross of JesusChrist.

As the invitation to come unto Life continuously is given unto them who at first had refused to believe continuously till their death. 

This is the Grace that came to the whole world through the death of Jesus Christ, the Son of God on the Cross. 

Only by faith in Jesus Christ the believer has the forgiveness of sins, the righteousness of Jesus Christ, that means he is in Jesus Christ who is the eternal Life. 

With the Cross we have the new man in the whole world because that included also the dead before the Cross, and everyone born into the world there after. 

The man cleansed from the Adamic death Inheritance. 

According to Jesus Christ, he was to preached the Gospel to the dead first, and his disciples were to preached the Gospel to the living there after beginning from Jerusalem. 

****In the scriptures we begin with the Inheritance of Adam after the fall, the death Inheritance, every man born was born unto the God of the dead, this where he would be going after death, because of Adam's disobedience. 

Till Jesus Christ death on the Cross to whom God gave the Heaven as his Inheritance and for everyone of the rest of the world who believes in him.

Adam was in the place of the dead after he died. 

And that what the devil did, he took the first man or he made him fall unto death like him, and by DEFAULT he took everyone after him.

Adam is not anymore under the death Inheritance, he is with Jesus Christ when Jesus Christ set him free after the Cross when he went in the place of his Captivity.  

Anyway this was before Jesus Christ and before God cleanse the seed of everyone in Jesus Christ , making every man responsible for him self. Indipented from Adam's previous state of being. 

PS

There was an exception before the Cross. 

Death could not take Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, named Israel and all his house. After death they were still alive unto their Lord God. 

 

Edited January 21, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Frits]

5 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I want to thank you for your response to my inquiries, and I believe it is commendable from you to open your mind on line, it shows the quality of leadership. 

As you know  looking into John 3:16 I disagree that it can support the answer to the question at hand. 

We need then to look why John made this statement. 

With this statement John is distinguish between what the Law gave to Israel, like what Nicodemus could not have with his obedience to the Law and for that anyone who was under the Law and had lived under the Law in the past. 

One of the big distinctions between the two is that the Gospel of Jesus Christ it includes the whole world,

(the whole world from the first man, and Abraham and everyone of his seed who had died in obedience to the Law)

 The Law excluded the rest of the world. But it gave us the understanding that Abraham and his descendants they had God because God had clean the seed of Abraham. 

Looking into what this accomplish we have to look to what the Lord God had promised to Abraham and made it known to Moses and to all the descendants of Jacob when he said to Moses that he is still the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob and his family, and their families there after. In Exodus 3:6, 

Look what God did by setting them apart from the rest of the world not only in life  but also after death.

And he made something known to people that he is their God after death but he is not the God of the dead.  

He was making known something about himself that set him above all the Gods of the earth.

With statement he made it known that all the people after they died were under the God of the dead. 

The stronger God of all was the God of the dead. 

And the distinctions was made that the Lord God was above all Gods including the God of the dead. 

It's Amazing the curse of disobedience to Adam was not upon Abraham when God set him apart.

With the Covenant of the Circumcision. 

John who was the seed of Abraham  born under the Law and Circumcised and was in obedience to the Law thus being included in the people of God according to the Law, with his statement in the presending verses before John 1:16 

John who was born into the Law, eligibility to Circumcision and he was Circumcised and he had lived in obedience to the Law and knew that the rest of the world was excluded under the Law, he was inviting everyone in the world to be included in God, by believing in Jesus Christ that as the son of God had died on the Cross for the forgiveness of our sins. 

John who was a disciple of John the Baptist had understood what John was saying when he had said about Jesus Christ before having met him before when he first show him from a distance for the first time without anyone telling him who Jesus was and only the anointing within him making it known to him that he said: 

"The Lamb of God who takes away the Sin of the world"

In other words when Jesus Christ died on the Cross God cleansed the seed of Adam by DEFAULT and the rest of the world after him. 

In other words the rein of death upon mankind was lifted up. 

God had made all mankind clean.

That's why the Gospel is preached and the initation to believe is given to anyone regardless of their status. 

As all including Abraham and his descendants after him and the rest of the world were cleansed by DEFAULT by God in Jesus Christ death on the Cross. 

Inheriting the Heavenly Inheritance together with Jesus Christ. 

And everyone who in obedience to God believe in Jesus Christ had by DEFAULT the forgiveness of sins. 

The invitation to choose Life or death is given to those who have heard and understood the message of the Gospel, because they were in the position to believe unto Life or to refuse to believe which put them unto death by DEFAULT, but only if they would died in the denial of the Cross of JesusChrist.

As the invitation to come unto Life continuously is given unto them who are in denial till their death. 

This is the Grace that came to the whole world through the death of Jesus Christ, the Son of God on the Cross. 

The new man in the whole world because that included not only the living at that time but also all the dead before and all those coming into the world there after. 

According to Jesus Christ, he preached the Gospel to the dead, and his disciples were to preached the Gospel to the whole world beginning from Jerusalem. 

****In the scriptures we begin with the Inheritance of Adam after death, the death Inheritance, every man born was born unto the God of the dead, this were he would be going after death, because of Adam's disobedience. 

Till Jesus Christ whom God gave to him the Heavenly Inheritance and for everyone of the rest of the world who believes in him.

Adam was in the place of the dead after he died. 

And that what the devil did, he took the first man or he made him fall unto death like him, and by DEFAULT he took everyone after him.

Adam is not anymore under the death Inheritance, he is with Jesus Christ when Jesus Christ set him free after the Cross when he went in the place of his Captivity.  

The Devil cannot boast that he has a hold on all the seed of Adam by having Adam as proof.

Anyway this was before Jesus Christ and before God God cleanse the seed of everyone in Jesus Christ , making every man responsible for him self. Indipented from Adam's state of being. 

 

Bro Ycf,

I quoted Jn.1:16 not Jh.3:16.

 

God bless you.

[Your closest friendnt]

On 1/19/2021 at 8:52 AM, Frits said:

Hi Ycf,

This statement of mine is the result of Jh.1:16.

'And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.'

The first gift of grace that we born-again Christians may receive, is the forgiveness of sins.  Which means that we are washed in the Blood of the Lamb of God.
The second gift of grace that we born-again Christians may receive, is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
The fact that we are now united in one with the Lord God by the Holy Spirit, we also share in His eternal Life.  (1Cor.6:17)

God bless.

Hello Frits, In first Corinthians we are informed that we are one with the Lord Jesus Christ in Spirit.

In Roman's 8:9 we are informed that "if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 

And if we are in Christ the Spirit of God lives in us.

Jesus Christ is one with God and because we are one with Christ for that reason because of Christ we are one with God.

----John 17: 1-3 ----

1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:

“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 

2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.

3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

----John 17:20,21----

20 My prayer is not for them alone.

I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 

21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

1 cor 6:17

¹⁷ But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

---Roman's 8:9-11---'

9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 

10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin,

the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 

11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

**** 1st John 1:7***

 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

***This passage in John 1:7 is asking us to walk in the light...

This is possible and is recommended and John is including himself that he is walking in the light.

If this is what you are keep repeating about your self that you are walking in the light then so be it.

And everyone is asked to walk in the light, the one has, because no one is in the same growth in the light, everyone is in his own walk with the light. 

And as we walk in the light we continue to grow more in the light day by day, season by season, as long as we live, if that's what we want and we are after. 

If someone says that he has no sin within that concept, according to his light, according to his growth in the light as one is at that time according to what is required from him from the  Holy Spirit in harmony of his individual standing before our Lord Jesus Christ then this is according to 1 John 1:7.

If someone has pledge to walk in the light but he is not walking according to the light he has the Holy Spirit will make it known to him. 

How someone will know when the Holy Spirit will make it know to him, because this is done in various ways, it has something to do of how the Lord has grown each and everyone one of us to receive from his light or from him, or the Holy Spirit.  

This each the individual connection each and everyone one of us has with the Lord according to his own peculiar needs. 

 

Edited January 21, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Frits]

13 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Hello Frits, In first Corinthians we are informed that we are one with the Lord Jesus Christ in Spirit.

In Roman's 8:9 we are informed that "if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 

And if are in Christ the Spirit of God lives in us.

Jesus Christ is one with God and because we are one with Christ for that reason because of Christ we are one with God.

----John 17: 1-3 ----

1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:

“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

----John 17:20,21----

20 My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

1 cor 6:17

¹⁷ But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

---Roman's 8:9-11---'

9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of[e] his Spirit who lives in you.

**** 1st John 1:7***

 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

***This passage in John 1:7 is asking us to walk in the light...

This is possible and is recommended and John is including himself that he is walking in the light.

If that what you are keep repeating about your self that you are walking in the light then so be it.

And everyone is asked to walk in the light he has, because no one has recieved the same light from God.

And as we walk in the light we continue to grow more in the light day by day, season by season, as long as we live, if that's what we want and we are after. 

If someone says that he has no sin within that concept, according to his light given to him by Jesus Christ then this is according to 1 John 1:7.

If someone has pledge to walk in the light but he is not walking according to the light he has the Holy Spirit will make it known to him.

 

Hi bro Ycf,

The texts 1Jh.1:8 and Rom.3:23 have been discussed several times.  That's why I wrote a piece on Tuesday (2:26 pm) Alive.

From several forums the final question is formulated: is the Christian a righteous one, or is he a sinner ?!

Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. (James 3:12)

A lot of Bible passages are about that, from Genesis to Revelation.
It's about solving the sin problem. This makes it particularly worthwhile for us to understand this through and through.
From our knowledge of that one way of salvation of God, which is the Gospel of His Son Jesus Christ, we derive our faith in God. This ultimately determines whether the foundation of our faith is Jesus Christ or not!

Since I think your opinion is very valuable, I would appreciate it if you read that part of Tuesday.
Would you please let me know what you think of the content?  Thanks in advance.

God bless Ycf.