What do you Believe

[sandy]

Yes I believe in the Rapture !!

[ayin jade]

Oh Puppy, I have had some interaction with those from shepherds chapel. Beyond that website link, I know he teaches things that are not scriptural.

[Guest parousia2]

So, do I believe in the rapture, yes I do. And when He toots, I'm going to scoot!!

Pipit

I have never heard that - That is Hilarious!!!!

I believe as the Bible says:

1 Thessalonians 4

15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Hi Jan S: I, too, believe in a "rapture" or a "snatching." My question to you is when is it OR was it? To whom is 1 Thessalonians addressed? Is Paul not speaking to the Thessalonians when he says in verse 15: "for this we say unto YOU by the word of the Lord, that WE (I, Paul and my contemporaries) which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep." Also: "Then WE which are alive and remain . . . so shall WE ever be with the Lord." There is comfort in Paul's words to the Thessalonians who were enduring hardships and persecutions and had lost loved ones in Christ only if the words had direct relevance to them.

Judy (Parousia2)

[PreciousPuppy]

This is to everyone that has replied to the topic of "What do You Believe."

We are all different people, we have different beliefs and I believe that no matter how much we disagree or agree with each other, no amount of comments are gonna do anybody any good.

So, as of this very moment, I hereby, am not interested in this or any other related topic.

[Jan S]

1 Thessalonians 4

15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Hi Jan S: I, too, believe in a "rapture" or a "snatching." My question to you is when is it OR was it? To whom is 1 Thessalonians addressed? Is Paul not speaking to the Thessalonians when he says in verse 15: "for this we say unto YOU by the word of the Lord, that WE (I, Paul and my contemporaries) which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep." Also: "Then WE which are alive and remain . . . so shall WE ever be with the Lord." There is comfort in Paul's words to the Thessalonians who were enduring hardships and persecutions and had lost loved ones in Christ only if the words had direct relevance to them.

Judy (Parousia2)

If you are implying that Paul was only speaking to those in his presence at that time, then you would have to follow that line of thinking all through the New Testament and none of it would be relevant to us today.

If that were true then Paul and those he was talking to would have been caught up because he said "we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds".

But, it is not true that he was only speaking of them. The fact is , the Bible is our guide in every situation today and is to be applied to every part of our lives.

WHEN shall we "----be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air---" ???

Matthew 24:36

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Since no one knows, then be ready to meet Him now and it will not matter when it happens!!

[Tari]

Shouldn't we all be ready to be judged by God rather than assuming we will just meet Him and spend our eternity with Him?

[Jan S]

Shouldn't we all be ready to be judged by God rather than assuming we will just meet Him and spend our eternity with Him?

Exactly!

We cannot "assume" anything. That is why we search our heart, to know how He would judge us. And if our heart condmens us , then get RIGHT! And then you will be ready to meet Him

Edited November 2, 2005 by Jan S

[Tari]

Shouldn't we all be ready to be judged by God rather than assuming we will just meet Him and spend our eternity with Him?

Exactly!

We cannot "assume" anything. That is why we search our heart, to know how He would judge us. And if our heart condmens us , then get RIGHT! And then you will be ready to meet Him

Follow in the way the best you can! That is what we can all try to do, and that goes for all of us!

[Tari]

there are 2 judments, and a Christian has no fear of eternal separation from either.

if one isnt convinced of that, well Jesus Christ died in your place and arose so you could have eternal life.

if that isnt enough, no amount of works you ever perform is EVER going to get you the crown of LIFE, because you still have to go through JESUS DYING AND RESURRECTING THRU FAITH ONLY.

Christians are destined for the bema seat judgment----1 cor 3

non-beleivers are destined for the GWT---rev 20.

no middle ground, no going back and forth.

black and white.

Jesus Christ is Lord.

yes or no.

Yes, Jesus Christ is Lord, absolutely. Are you saying that as long as we have faith, that there will be no judgement on our eternal destination?

[Tari]

yes, our eternal destiny is justified by our faith alone.

that doesnt mean, we dont lose crowns, or rewards.

here is the scritpure for beleivers...

1co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

1co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

1co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

1co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be "SAVED"; yet so as by fire.

Jesus said, no one, can take us out of his or the Fathers hands...

Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

to...

Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Joh 10:19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

Joh 10:20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

Joh 10:21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

Joh 10:23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

Joh 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Jesus says he has GIVEN us eternal life---not promised only if we are good boys and girls.(thats santa's promise)--

and we shall NEVER perish...

Okay, about this subject pertaining to believers not being judged on WHERE they will spend their eternity. I can understand the above verses. This is where I look at the following verses and wonder. It makes me wonder how can a person possibly know, until they are judged? Take for instance these verses:

Matthew 7:21-23

Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never know you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 7:13-14

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Matthew 12:50

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Matthew 16:27-28

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

After looking at these verses it becomes much harder to just assume that your saved. How will we really know until we are judged by our Father in heaven? It seems to me like I should just try my best, each and every day.