Does water baptism precede regeneration?

[Frits]

9 minutes ago, Beppybuva said:

There is a huge church called the church of Christ. They are growing rapidly. They call themselves non-denominational. They told me I don’t have the Holy Spirit because I wasn’t water baptized. 

Sister,

On your prayer to the Lord Jesus you were able to receive the Holy Spirit, although immersion in water is also part of it.  So be baptized in water.  

God bless.

[Waggles]

Oh well each to their own.

As for me and my church we are all happy to be both baptised in water and the Holy Spirit (and for all to speak in tongues).

Works for us.  

[Regenerated-Adult]

4 minutes ago, Waggles said:

Oh well each to their own.

As for me and my church we are all happy to be both baptised in water and the Holy Spirit (and for all to speak in tongues).

Works for us.  

IN other words, water baptism and speaking in tongues is assurance of arrival in heaven at death.  There is no room in that belief system for the grace of God to secure salvation, man gets in the way of God's decrees and power.

[Waggles]

27 minutes ago, Regenerated-Adult said:

IN other words, water baptism and speaking in tongues is assurance of arrival in heaven at death.  There is no room in that belief system for the grace of God to secure salvation, man gets in the way of God's decrees and power.

There is no arrival in Heaven upon death - such doctrine is false: unscriptural

Being baptised in water and the Holy Spirit is only the beginning of a disciple's walk. One must endure and finish the race. Yes, even Pentecostal saints with the Spirit of truth indwelling them fail and quench the Spirit; returning back to the world.

Grace is of God whatever denomination people are. God mightily blessed the Reformation and the many Protestant churches that came out of that over history.

Salvation is not limited to Pentecostal believers. 

[Frits]

2 minutes ago, Waggles said:

There is no arrival in Heaven upon death

Bro Waggles,

Could you explain this a bit further to me?

Thanks.

[Waggles]

18 minutes ago, Frits said:

Bro Waggles,

Could you explain this a bit further to me?

Thanks.

Psalm 17:15  As for me [David], I shall behold your face in righteousness; when I awake, I shall be satisfied with your likeness.

Job 14:12  so a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep. 
13  Oh that you would hide me in Sheol, that you would conceal me until your wrath be past, that you would appoint me a set time, and remember me! 
14  If a man dies, shall he live again? All the days of my service I would wait, till my renewal should come. 

Isaiah 26:19  Your dead shall live; their bodies shall rise. You who dwell in the dust, awake and sing for joy! For your dew is a dew of light, and the earth will give birth to the dead.

Matthew 27:52  The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 
53  and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. 

Daniel 12:2  And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

1Co 15:42  So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. 
43  It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 
44  It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 

1Co 15:51  Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 
52  in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 

1Thess 4:15  For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 
16  For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

[Waggles]

31 minutes ago, Frits said:

Could you explain this a bit further to me?

Psalm 6:4  Turn, O LORD, deliver my life; save me for the sake of your steadfast love. 
5  For in death there is no remembrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise? 

Psalm 16:10  For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol, or let your holy one see corruption.

Psalm 30:3  O LORD, you have brought up my soul from Sheol; you restored me to life from among those who go down to the pit.

Psalm 89:48  What man can live and never see death? Who can deliver his soul from the power of Sheol? Selah

Psalm 139:8  If I ascend to heaven, you are there! If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there!

Proverbs 7:27  Her house is the way to Sheol, going down to the chambers of death.

Proverbs 15:24  The path of life leads upward for the prudent, that he may turn away from Sheol beneath.

Proverbs 23:14  If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol.

Ecclesiastes 9:9  Enjoy life with the wife whom you love, all the days of your vain life that he has given you under the sun, because that is your portion in life and in your toil at which you toil under the sun. 
10  Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going. 

[Waggles]

H7585

she'ôl    she'ôl > sheh-ole'
From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit.
Total KJV occurrences: 65

the underworld in many religions.

[Peterlag]

On 2/4/2021 at 1:37 PM, Justin Adams said:

Mabe Peter with Cornelius' family or Ananias with Saul, or Phillip with the Eunuch.

Or the Jailer and family. Quite a few really.

Chapter and verse Please?

[Peterlag]

On 2/4/2021 at 2:24 PM, Waggles said:

And which verses state that they did not baptise in water?

No water mentioned in Acts 2:38-39