Does water baptism precede regeneration?

[Your closest friendnt]

4 hours ago, leah777 said:

Either the Word of God is inerrant, or it isnt. 

It's not so simple, it's not if it's not black then it must be white. 

[Charlie744]

9 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

It's not so simple, it's not if it's not black then it must be white. 

Well, I believe you are both correct! 

First, @leah777 is 100% correct. The Scriptures have absolutely NO errors, mistakes, or contradictions ......... period.

Now, for the black and white comment: You are also quite correct, however I have seen within this forum and specifically within this very topic where folks will cut and paste a specific verse and then throw it in one's face and say, "see here"... this is what the Bible says, Or "see here", this proves you are wrong...... OR "see here", it doesn't really mean what it says, OR, "see here", this is in the NT and the OT has been done away with......... and I guess we all could add to this list even more approaches or faults in the way we reach our conclusions.

But if the Scriptures had even one mistake or error or contradiction within it's 66 books, then they would all have to be discarded in the fire .... but @leah777 is not wrong...... thank God.

Just my thoughts, Charlie

 

 

 

 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

3 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Well, I believe you are both correct! 

First, @leah777 is 100% correct. The Scriptures have absolutely NO errors, mistakes, or contradictions ......... period.

Now, for the black and white comment: You are also quite correct, however I have seen within this forum and specifically within this very topic where folks will cut and paste a specific verse and then throw it in one's face and say, "see here"... this is what the Bible says, Or "see here", this proves you are wrong...... OR "see here", it doesn't really mean what it says, OR, "see here", this is in the NT and the OT has been done away with......... and I guess we all could add to this list even more approaches or faults in the way we reach our conclusions.

But if the Scriptures had even one mistake or error or contradiction within it's 66 books, then they would all have to be discarded in the fire .... but @leah777 is not wrong...... thank God.

Just my thoughts, Charlie

 

 

 

 

 

Hi brother, what is probably right and who said it.

In the bible we have the word of God, and the word of Herod, and the word of the High Priest and the word of the Serpent and the word of the Devil, and of the rebel, the ignorant, the confusion, the unbelief the one who is over his head, who speaks on behalf of God without God's permission.  The list can go on and on.

We need always to look in the Context. 

So what was the original question...

[Charlie744]

4 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Hi brother, what is probably right and who said it.

In the bible we have the word of God, and the word of Herod, and the word of the High Priest and the word of the Serpent and the word of the Devil, and of the rebel, the ignorant, the confusion, the unbelief the one who is over his head, who speaks on behalf of God without God's permission.  The list can go on and on.

We need always to look in the Context. 

So what was the original question...

I am not sure I follow you but .... the statement made by @leah777 was the Bible was inerrant and that is true.

Not sure I completely understand your statement but it does not matter what was said in the Scriptures or who said it... whether it is support or defiance of God it is still all inerrant writings.

It is our interpretations that are in error.

Charlie 

[Your closest friendnt]

8 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I am not sure I follow you but .... the statement made by @leah777 was the Bible was inerrant and that is true.

Not sure I completely understand your statement but it does not matter what was said in the Scriptures or who said it... whether it is support or defiance of God it is still all inerrant writings.

It is our interpretations that are in error.

Charlie 

You are not clear, and this is the importance to be clear and concise. Specific. 

Enlighten me who said that and when and why?

[Charlie744]

1 minute ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You are not clear, and this is the importance to be clear and concise. Specific. 

Enlighten me who said that and when and why?

I am not following you at all.

Are you meaning to say the Bible is NOT inerrant?

Or, are you saying the Bible IS inerrant but only when the verses are in agreement with God?

Charlie

[Your closest friendnt]

6 hours ago, Starise said:

The Greek word used here is βάπτω. Transliteration is baptō . Used as a verb.

Strong's- βάπτω báptō, bap'-to; a primary verb; to whelm, i.e. cover wholly with a fluid; in the New Testament only in a qualified or special sense, i.e. (literally) to moisten (a part of one's person), or (by implication) to stain (as with dye):—dip

Thayer's Greek lexicon- 

βάπτω: [future βάψω, John 13:26 T Tr WH]; 1 aorist ἔβαψα; perfect passive participle βεβαμμένος; in Greek writings from Homer down; in the Sept. for טָבַל;
a. to dip, dip in, immerse: τί, John 13:26 [but in 26a Lachmann ἐμβάψας, as in 26b L text R G]; followed by a genitive of the thing into which the object is dipped (because only a part of it is touched by the act of dipping), Luke 16:24 (cf. ἅπτεσθαί τινος, λούεσθαι ποταμοῖο, Homer, Iliad 5, 6; 6, 508; cf. Buttmann, § 132, 25; [Winers Grammar, § 30, 8. c.]).
b. to dip into dye, to dye, color: ἱμάτιον αἵματι, Revelation 19:13 [Tdf. περιρεραμμένον, see under the word περιρραίνω; WH ῥεραντισμένον, see ῤαντίζω]. (Herodotus 7, 67; Anth. 11, 68; Josephus, Antiquities 3, 6, 1.) [Compare: ἐμβάπτω.]

 

 

 

Thank you for search, I should not ignore it.

So we learn that all religions have rituals pertaining to baptism with "water" and more specific others with a "ritualistic water" not just water, and done in different ways.

Thank you.

[Marathoner]

29 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I am not sure I follow you but .... the statement made by @leah777 was the Bible was inerrant and that is true.

Not sure I completely understand your statement but it does not matter what was said in the Scriptures or who said it... whether it is support or defiance of God it is still all inerrant writings.

It is our interpretations that are in error.

Charlie 

Indeed. Every word from the mouth of God is fulfilled and the Lord does nothing in vain. What's at stake is our meager understanding and inability to comprehend the incomprehensible God, which is why I argue mercy for us all where interpretation is concerned. Many here (myself included) will testify of the work of His Spirit within us, illuminating our hearts with truth and leading us out of our shortcomings. 

Whomever confesses that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God who was sent by our Father in this flesh and loves Him, is my brother or sister. Who am I to deny the work of the Lord in others? Christ reveals Himself to us in different ways as my experience has demonstrated but each of us were drawn to Christ by our Father and this, my friends, is all that matters.

The words of God are inerrant and true. It may take time for some to grasp this and time is what the Almighty grants to His beloved in this world.  

Edited March 13, 2021 by Marathoner

[Your closest friendnt]

2 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I am not following you at all.

Are you meaning to say the Bible is NOT inerrant?

Or, are you saying the Bible IS inerrant but only when the verses are in agreement with God?

Charlie

It's a good thought, but what I asked is a question that you must have the answer when asked. 

To be accountable for what we say.

Who said it, when and why? 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

2 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Indeed. Every word from the mouth of God is fulfilled and the Lord does nothing in vain. What's at stake is our meager understanding and inability to comprehend the incomprehensible God, which is why I argue mercy for us all where interpretation is concerned. Many here (myself included) will testify of the work of His Spirit within us, illuminating our hearts with truth and leading us out of our shortcomings. 

Whomever confesses that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God who was sent by our Father in this flesh and loves Him, is my brother or sister. Who am I to deny the work of the Lord in others? Christ reveals Himself to us in different ways as my experience has demonstrated but each of were drawn to Christ by our Father and this, my friends, is all that matters.

The words of God are inerrant and true. It may take time for some to grasp this and time is what the Almighty grants to His beloved in this world.  

No one has question the word of God only God himself in some examples. But we are not talking about them now. 

What God can do is not the question at hand.

We are discussing who said that everything in the bible is spoken by God, so we can say it is the word of God or his prophets. 

Moses had the word of God when he spoke what God told him.  In different situations. 

In the bible we also have the words of others , without specifying, is it so difficult to admit it?