Mt.12:40 - Three days and three nights

[Jaydub]

6 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

No work allowed on the Sabbath.

Why not Friday morning? Doesn't Sabbath start on Friday sunset?

[Your closest friendnt]

5 hours ago, Jaydub said:

Why not Friday morning? Doesn't Sabbath start on Friday sunset?

Jesus is the Lamb of God.  The promised lamb to Abraham. The Lamb to be slain on the Passover day as it was written in book of Leviticus. 

The people were instructed that on the 10th day of the first month to choose the lamb for their Passover and to take care of it and to slaughter it on the Passover day the 14th of the month. 

According to Leviticus the Passover day is always on Friday the Day before the Sabbath day this is why Friday it was always the preparation day for the Sabbath. 

The Passover day it was a festive holiday. Just like any other festive holiday in the Jewish Calendar. The people cooked their food and the families get together to have a feast and they were traveling to their families. To make it clear the Passover it was not celebrated like the Sabbath day. This should be clear because they were having a feast. They prepared the lamb after killing it and cooked it and they eat accordingly to their customs the instructions in the book of Leviticus commemorating their Passover Lamb even back in Egypt according the instructions in the book of Exodus. 

According to the book of Leviticus the Day after the Passover day is always the Sabath Day or Saturday. Which is the Jewish Sabbath. With all the restrictions and instructions for that day. 

[Indentured Servant]

On 2/8/2021 at 9:50 AM, Frits said:

Mat 12:40 KJV For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

But if we then look at the suffering and death of the Lord Jesus, we see that He died on the (Friday) evening before Shabbat.
Then the night comes to Saturday, and then the night from Saturday to Sunday.
These are 2 nights and not 3.

Where is the third night?

Christian theology cannot accept that Sabbath doesn't always refer to the last day of the week. Passover, and other festivals, have special Sabbath days that take place on no specific day of the week.

In the last week of Jesus, the start of Passover was on Wednesday for the Sadducees, Thursday for the Pharisees. 

Jesus did not recognize that of the Pharisees and began passover on Wednesday evening. Three days from that was the weekly Sabbath.

As well, Christian theologians alter the English translation that states, "Sabbath," referring to the weekly Sabbath, as "first day of the week." No honest translator would ever render scripture in that manner.

The Catholic church, antisemitic back in the day, refused to share the same day with Jews, so it was changed to Sunday, the first day of the week, and was documented and is available to see. The translation was altered to reflect the change as if it had been done in scripture.

Tradition... Doctrine and dogma, will not allow Christians to believe this, nor change from the Catholic Church's control of scriptural interpretation in this matter.

Christ was the passover lamb, crucified on the Passover Sabbath, three full days and three full nights before the weekly Sabbath. 

Theologians will have you believe that "any part of a day is counted as a full day," but this concept is not, nor ever has been, recognized in the Hebrew mindset and practices.

Be aware, though, if you press this issue in the church, you will be harshly judged and likely asked to leave your church. If they allow you to stay, you will not be taken seriously for your "heretical" slander of traditional, "majority" doctrine.

Edited May 28, 2024 by Indentured Servant

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Indentured Servant said:

Christian theology cannot accept that Sabbath doesn't always refer to the last day of the week. Passover, and other festivals, have special Sabbath days that take place on no specific day of the week.

In the last week of Jesus, the start of Passover was on Wednesday for the Sadducees, Thursday for the Pharisees. 

Jesus did not recognize that of the Pharisees and began passover on Wednesday evening. Three days from that was the weekly Sabbath.

As well, Christian theologians alter the English translation that states, "Sabbath," referring to the weekly Sabbath, as "first day of the week." No honest translator would ever render scripture in that manner.

The Catholic church, antisemitic back in the day, refused to share the same day with Jews, so it was changed to Sunday, the first day of the week, and was documented and is available to see. The translation was altered to reflect the change as if it had been done in scripture.

Tradition... Doctrine and dogma, will not allow Christians to believe this, nor change from the Catholic Church's control of scriptural interpretation in this matter.

Christ was the passover lamb, crucified on the Passover Sabbath, three full days and three full nights before the weekly Sabbath. 

Theologians will have you believe that "any part of a day is counted as a full day," but this concept is not, nor ever has been, recognized in the Hebrew mindset and practices.

Be aware, though, if you press this issue in the church, you will be harshly judged and likely asked to leave your church. If they allow you to stay, you will not be taken seriously for your "heretical" slander of traditional, "majority" doctrine.

@Indentured Servant

I read your post and all the arguments from other people. And if they have their arguments they do so and they do not want to let the scriptures settle their disagreeing. 

What the scripture says. What the instructions in the book of Leviticus says to the Priesthood to do and instruct the people to do according to their yearly celebrations in their Religious Calendar. 

What the people did 2,000 years ago and how they kept their Calendar celebrations at that time. 

The High Priest and the Religious leaders sent a message to Pilate and more than one. 

They said to Pilate to not let the bodies of those who were crucified to remain on the Cross and that includes the body of Jesus because in just a little while as it was approaching the time of the beginning of the Sabath Day at the sunset at 6:00 o'clock given a few minutes because at that time it was the beginning of the Sabbath day. Right their it tells us the day and time of Jesus death. 

It asks not to let their bodies remained on the Cross because the Sabbath day it was at hand and that this Sabbath it was a High Holiday. 

When the Roman soldier checked the two other people crucified with Jesus they broke their legs to speed up their death and that tell us that they were still alive. And that took place just awhile before the beginning of the Sabath Day. Jesus was dead by that time and they did not break his legs but verified that he was dead when blood mixed with water came out of his side when the soldier drive his spear into the side of his body.

The High Priesthood and the leaders also said that the day Jesus was crucified was the preparation day the day before the Sabbath day and if they killed him themselves they would be ceremonially unclean and they cannot participate in the next day celebrations who was a High Sabbath day the First Day of the Celebrations of the Unleavened Bread which all the time falls on the Sabath Day. It begins on the Sabath and it ends on the Sabath Day for one weeks. The first Day and the last Day of the Unleavened Bread are High Holidays. The two days in the Spring that the people present themselves to the Lord which are mandatory to all people. In the Autumn are the other two High Holidays. Which are part of the four mandatory Holidays when they represented themselves to the Lord.

This is why the High Priest said to Pilate we cannot killed him ourselves because tomorrow is the High Sabbath day and we need to remain ceremonially clean tomorrow is a mandatory day to participate in it. They said to Pilate that you have to killed him for us and the way we asked you by crucifixion. 

In any case where there is a dispute whether or not the first Day of the Unleavened Bread Holidays is on the Sabath Day and I am searching this matter we have the testimony of the High Priest who said to take down the people from the Cross because the next day it was a High Sabbath day not only a Sabath Day but a high Sabbath day the First Day of the Celebrations of the Unleavened Bread. 

That day is on the 15th of the first month and this year it fall on the Sabath Day and the 14th is always the Passover day and that year it was on the Friday. The Priest also said that the day of the crucifixion was the preparation day. The day before the Sabbath day the high Sabbath day. 

Edited May 28, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[PraiseHim1004]

I don't think anyone is 100 percent sure of the day of the week nor the year. What is clear is:

Nisan 14 was crucifixion day.

Nisan 15 was Passover.

Nisan 16 

Nisan 17 was reserection day.

14 to 15

15 to 16

16 to 17

Three days. 

[Anne2]

47 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@Indentured Servant

I read your post and all the arguments from other people. And if they have their arguments they do so and they do not want to let the scriptures settle their disagreeing. 

What the scripture says. What the instructions in the book of Leviticus says to the Priesthood to do and instruct the people to do according to their yearly celebrations in their Religious Calendar. 

What the people did 2,000 years ago and how they kept their Calendar celebrations at that time. 

The High Priest and the Religious leaders sent a message to Pilate and more than one. 

They said to Pilate to not let the bodies of those who were crucified to remain on the Cross and that includes the body of Jesus because in just a little while as it was approaching the time of the beginning of the Sabath Day at the sunset at 6:00 o'clock given a few minutes because at that time it was the beginning of the Sabbath day. Right their it tells us the day and time of Jesus death. 

It asks not to let their bodies remained on the Cross because the Sabbath day it was at hand and that this Sabbath it was a High Holiday. 

When the Roman soldier checked the two other people crucified with Jesus they broke their legs to speed up their death and that tell us that they were still alive. And that took place just awhile before the beginning of the Sabath Day. Jesus was dead by that time and they did not break his legs but verified that he was dead when blood mixed with water came out of his side when the soldier drive his spear into the side of his body.

The High Priesthood and the leaders also said that the day Jesus was crucified was the preparation day the day before the Sabbath day and if they killed him themselves they would be ceremonially unclean and they cannot participate in the next day celebrations who was a High Sabbath day the First Day of the Celebrations of the Unleavened Bread which all the time falls on the Sabath Day. It begins on the Sabath and it ends on the Sabath Day for one weeks. The first Day and the last Day of the Unleavened Bread are High Holidays. The two days in the Spring that the people present themselves to the Lord which are mandatory to all people. In the Autumn are the other two High Holidays. Which are part of the four mandatory Holidays when they represented themselves to the Lord.

This is why the High Priest said to Pilate we cannot killed him ourselves because tomorrow is the High Sabbath day and we need to remain ceremonially clean tomorrow is a mandatory day to participate in it. They said to Pilate that you have to killed him for us and the way we asked you by crucifixion. 

In any case where there is a dispute whether or not the first Day of the Unleavened Bread Holidays is on the Sabath Day and I am searching this matter we have the testimony of the High Priest who said to take down the people from the Cross because the next day it was a High Sabbath day not only a Sabath Day but a high Sabbath day the First Day of the Celebrations of the Unleavened Bread. 

That day is on the 15th of the first month and this year it fall on the Sabath Day and the 14th is always the Passover day and that year it was on the Friday. The Priest also said that the day of the crucifixion was the preparation day. The day before the Sabbath day the high Sabbath day. 

There is also the  matter of counting 49 days and seven weeks (sabbaths)beginning the 2nd day of unleavened bread (16th)

Le 23:15  And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
So, 2 weekly periods going on here. 

Edited May 28, 2024 by Anne2

[Your closest friendnt]

@Indentured Servant

The Passover is always on the 14th day of the first month Nisan and the 15th begins the Unleavened Bread Holidays and the first Day and the last Day are always High Holidays to be regarded as a day unto the Lord not too do any work just like the Sabbath days. 

Their Calendar year was Lunar year according to the moon cycle and the first day of the year began on a different day every year. For that reason the Passover day the 14th and the beginning of the Unleavened Bread the 15th are on a different day every year but on the day Jesus died according to the testimony of the High Priest the Unleavened Bread day fall on the Sabath Day and this is why the High Priest call it a High Sabbath. Passover the 14th and the First Day of the Unleavened Bread Holidays the 15th which a High Holiday and it fall that year on the Sabath Day. 

[Anne2]

45 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@Indentured Servant

The Passover is always on the 14th day of the first month Nisan and the 15th begins the Unleavened Bread Holidays and the first Day and the last Day are always High Holidays to be regarded as a day unto the Lord not too do any work just like the Sabbath days. 

Their Calendar year was Lunar year according to the moon cycle and the first day of the year began on a different day every year. For that reason the Passover day the 14th and the beginning of the Unleavened Bread the 15th are on a different day every year but on the day Jesus died according to the testimony of the High Priest the Unleavened Bread day fall on the Sabath Day and this is why the High Priest call it a High Sabbath. Passover the 14th and the First Day of the Unleavened Bread Holidays the 15th which a High Holiday and it fall that year on the Sabath Day. 

There is also this...copy and paste from Chabad..

"A Long Day

Also note that, in a certain sense, the celebration of the 15th is considered to be an extension of the 14th. How so? With regard to sacrifices, the verse states, “And the flesh of his thanksgiving peace offering shall be eaten on the day it is offered up; he shall not leave any of it over until morning.”4 In other words, if you were given one day to eat an offering, the day consisted of the daytime followed by its night (unlike all other purposes, for which Jewish calendar days consist of the night followed by the day). Thus, as far as sacrifices are concerned, the night after a sacrifice is brought is an extension of the day it is brought.5

Therefore, when it comes to the celebration of the Passover sacrifice, while it was eaten on the 15th, it was considered to be the same day as the 14th."

I believe this is not just the feasts. Everyday the "daily sacrifices" were in the morning and the evening.... Everyday with regards to the temple ministry began in the morning, until evening.

Ex 29:38 Now this is that which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually.
39  The one lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the other lamb thou shalt offer at even:

Which the festal sacrifices were brought beside the morning sacrifice.

Num 28:23  Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering.
24  After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
25  And on the seventh day ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work.
 

If days are counted beginning in the evening with regard to sacrifices, the morning sacrifice would not belong or agree with the evening sacrifice, for a liturgical day.?

Edited May 28, 2024 by Anne2

[farouk]

13 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

There is also this...copy and paste from Chabad..

"A Long Day

Also note that, in a certain sense, the celebration of the 15th is considered to be an extension of the 14th. How so? With regard to sacrifices, the verse states, “And the flesh of his thanksgiving peace offering shall be eaten on the day it is offered up; he shall not leave any of it over until morning.”4 In other words, if you were given one day to eat an offering, the day consisted of the daytime followed by its night (unlike all other purposes, for which Jewish calendar days consist of the night followed by the day). Thus, as far as sacrifices are concerned, the night after a sacrifice is brought is an extension of the day it is brought.5

Therefore, when it comes to the celebration of the Passover sacrifice, while it was eaten on the 15th, it was considered to be the same day as the 14th."

I believe this is not just the feasts. Everyday the "daily sacrifices" were in the morning and the evening.... Everyday with regards to the temple ministry began in the morning, until evening.

Ex 29:38 Now this is that which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually.
39  The one lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the other lamb thou shalt offer at even:

Which the festal sacrifices were brought beside the morning sacrifice.

Num 28:23  Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering.
24  After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
25  And on the seventh day ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work.
 

If days are counted begining in the evening with regard to sacrifices, the morning sacrifice would not belong agree with the evening sacrifice?

Reminds me also a little of Psalm 141.1-2:

"Lord, I cry unto thee: make haste unto me; give ear unto my voice, when I cry unto thee.

² Let my prayer be set forth before thee as incense; and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice."

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

There is also the  matter of counting 49 days and seven weeks (sabbaths)beginning the 2nd day of unleavened bread (16th)

Le 23:15  And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
So, 2 weekly periods going on here. 

Thank you, I could not understand that till now. That after the Passover the 14th and the High Sabbath Holiday which is the 15th. The day after the Sabath is the day of the first fruits celebration. And it is the first day of the week. 

The Passover on the 14th the High Sabbath Day the First Day of the Unleavened Bread Holidays is the 15th always but the first Day of the Omer is not always on the 16th. If the 15th it happened to be on the regular Sabath Day on the seven day of the and Passover on the 14th then only then the 16th of Nisan would it be the first day of the Omer the day of the first fruits. 

But in Leviticus it says to be celebrated on the day after the Sabath the first day of the week because the celebration of the Unleavened Bread does not always fall on the seven day of the week. 

As the first day of the month Nisan is not a set day as it is determined by the moon cycle. They had a lunar year. And 1st day of the month it was determined by the full  moon. That's why it says count seven weeks and one day. And does not give a set day in the Calendar. It remain to be determined. Even for the first fruits day it says it has to be all the time the first day of the week imediatly after the Sabath Day after the first day of the Unleavened Bread Holidays. That's how the day of the first fruits is determined because the first day of the Unleavened Bread it may be on the Sabath Day. Was it on the sabbath day the year Jesus Christ was crucified? That's the question.  

Edited May 28, 2024 by Your closest friendnt