The misleading translation n interpretation of Matthew 24 : 29-30

[iamlamad]

On 3/23/2021 at 6:49 PM, OneLight said:

Sure, when it's all over.

Ha ha! Right!

[other one]

5 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

The 4th trumpet is sounded before the first 3,5 years of tribulation is completed but we cannot exactly know when it will happen. The effects to global climate will be horrible due to the significant drop of temperature.

You still didn't answer my question.   I'm not worried about when it will happen, I'd just like to know how long it will be dark.

[ChristB4us]

On 2/26/2021 at 4:34 AM, R. Hartono said:

Many people after reading Matt 24:29-30 take conclusion that the Rapture will happen after the SUN IS DARKENED in the Tribulation.

 

Matt 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

 

Its not true, how can people work in the field if the sun is already darkened ?

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

People work in the field/agriculture during DAYlight (the sun still shines) so when Jesus appear on the cloud to gather his elect the sun will still be shining.

 

Because the word "immediately after the tribulation" refer to the darkening of the sun in verse 29, NOT REFERRING TO VERSE 30.

 

Lets see the original greek version :

https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/24-29.htm

Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation =eutheos de meta  ten  thlipsin (in greek)

meta was translated as after but meta also mean "with" in english,

In fact meta was translated as "WITH" much more often in the new Testament.

https://biblehub.com/greek/3326.htm

so the more appropriate translation should read

immedately WITH the  tribulation

 

https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/24-30.htm

Matt 24:30 And then will appear = koi tote phanesetai (in greek)

tote was translated as then but tote also mean "at the time" (at the end of times).

so the more correct translation of Matt 24:30 should read : At the time (the end of times) will appear the sign.....

https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-meaning-of/greek-word-a6237fdc346c2121c1c30659161d65ecf7c1e501.html

This explain that rapture shall take place at the end of times and not necessarily after the darkening of the sun in the great tribulation.

 

The saints will not be wearing their best suite and tie to welcome Jesus as nobody knows precisely when it shall take place. Some will even sleep in the bed. Who would want to work in the field if the sun is already darkened by the 4th trumpet ? And before that one third of the trees n all green grass hv been burnt n massive heat n smoke cover the world ? Water source is poisoned by wormwood ? Mega tsunami strike the land all over the world which drown one third of the ship n locusts released to torture people in open air ?

 

There will be hardly any crop from the land any longer n the people will rob anything by all means, which means there will be no sharing but brutal looting door to door. People may become cannibals as death bodies will be abundant. Thats why the foolish virgins screamed "Lord Lord...take us in", "I know you not".

 

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You could still apply that as those working in the field, the rapture will still be immediate in after that manner of darkness for when the Bridegroom appears.

[R. Hartono]

7 hours ago, other one said:

You still didn't answer my question.   I'm not worried about when it will happen, I'd just like to know how long it will be dark.

Its about more than 3,5 years.

[R. Hartono]

7 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

You could still apply that as those working in the field, the rapture will still be immediate in after that manner of darkness for when the Bridegroom appears.

Yes, the sky will be darkened like when God descended at mt. Sinai when rapture happens..

[ChristB4us]

12 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Yes, the sky will be darkened like when God descended at mt. Sinai when rapture happens..

When He comes as the King of kings, He will be touching down on the Mount of Olives per Zechariah 14:1-5 with the pre great tribulation rapture saints to do battle with the world's armies marching unto Jerusalem.  Then after He defeats them and has placed Satan in the it for a thousand years, He then resurrects those saints that went through the great tribulation.  Jesus is not meeting those saints in the air at that resurrection when He is already on earth because of Satan being in the pit in Revelation 20:1-6 .

[R. Hartono]

12 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

When He comes as the King of kings, He will be touching down on the Mount of Olives per Zechariah 14:1-5 with the pre great tribulation rapture saints to do battle with the world's armies marching unto Jerusalem.  Then after He defeats them and has placed Satan in the it for a thousand years, He then resurrects those saints that went through the great tribulation.  Jesus is not meeting those saints in the air at that resurrection when He is already on earth because of Satan being in the pit in Revelation 20:1-6 .

Imho Jesus and the saints in Revelation 19 descended from heaven, first to Armageddon battle, then the 144000 Hebrew Will sing and welcome Him on mt. Zion (mt. Olives).

[The Light]

On 4/14/2023 at 5:47 AM, BibleWords said:

Actually you are right.  It is not in fact the rapture seen here, but God sending His angels to gather His elect, Israel, from all corners of the world.

The rapture would have happened 7 years before this.

I don't believe you are entirely correct. Jesus returns at the end of wrath and sets up His kingdom. That's at the end of the trumpets or vials as they both are the same timeframe.

Jesus returns at least 7 years before this for His Church.

When Jesus returns to gather Israel from the four corners of the earth, that occurs at the 6th seal before wrath. Wrath lasts one year at which time Jesus returns with the armies of heaven.

Summary:

The dead in Christ rise first. The spring barley harvest. Passover

The alive Church is caught up. The early summer wheat harvest. Pentecost.

Jesus returns to gather part of Israel, the seed of the woman, from the four corners of the earth and the Church is gathered from heaven. The fall fruit harvest. The Feast of Trumpets

One year of wrath begins after the 7th seal is opened when the 1st trumpet is blown.

Only the nation of Israel, those that fled to a place of protection and unbelievers will be on earth during the wrath of God.

[The Light]

On 4/14/2023 at 6:40 AM, iamlamad said:

Here I must disagree: the week will begin with the 7th seal. The first five seals are church age. the 6th seal will begin the Day of the Lord, and the 7th seal will begin the 70th Week.

The Church age ends with the soon coming rapture of the Church. Then the seals are opened as the seals are the 70th week of Daniel, which is about the people of Daniel.

The 70th week does not begin with the 7th seal it begins with the first. The gathering from heaven and earth occurs at the 6th seal. Then the one-year wrath of God begins and ends when Jesus returns with the armies of heaven.

[The Light]

12 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Imho Jesus and the saints in Revelation 19 descended from heaven, first to Armageddon battle, then the 144000 Hebrew Will sing and welcome Him on mt. Zion (mt. Olives).

I know this won't make much sense to you, but.......

You are twisting this up. When Jesus descends with the armies of heaven this occurs in the seven thunders and can also be seen at the end of the vials.

The 144,000 are raptured to heaven before the fourth seal as the 5th seal occurs during the great tribulation. Tribulation is over at the 6th seal.

When you read Revelation 13 and 14, that takes place in the seals.