Futurism

[Your closest friendnt]

18 hours ago, David1701 said:

That is a different usage of "day".  In this context, it means "period of time", not a literal day.  It's like saying, "In my father's day, they didn't have personal computers.".

The day of the Lord in the Sinai Covenant was the Saturday. 

The people in the Sinai Covenant they had the Saturday as a day if rest and in the Christian cultures they have Sunday.

With the chance to the New Covenant there is also a chance in the way of worship. 

Jesus Christ said that we worship God in Spirit and in truth, that means that we can worship God 24/7 /365 anytime all the time.

There is no need for the Jerusalem Temple, the Levites, Aaron's Priesthood, no need for sacrifices.

No wrath of the Lord God of the Old, it cannot be , it is impossible, there is not enforcing of the terms of the Sinai Covenant not by God.

By the people it is another matter as part of their culture.  

Everyone is included to be part in that worship, everyone including women and children in the whole world, everyone who believes Jesus Christ.  

There not prohibited times as it was in the old. 

Everyone is clean all the time, everyone who calls to Jesus Christ or to God in the name of Jesus Christ is heard and accepted. 

Without going into details, no one is unclean  because while he was comforting someone in need that person died in his arms or for any other reason. 

This is the day Jesus Christ made with his death on the Cross. 

That's why anyone is call to believe as everyone is even with blood in his hands. To believe is to be saved as he is 24/7/365 . 

To be saved is to belong to Jesus Christ.  This is the day Jesus Christ has made, a day without end, and we will be rejoice and be glad in it. 

Edited April 17, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

The Jews said: we are Abraham children. 

Abraham is our Father. 

They said that because their Father Abraham enter a Covenant with the Lord on their behalf. 

That the Lord will be their God and they will be his people not only while they live but also after they die. 

In life and in death. 

Everyone believed in Life after death both Jews and Gentiles. The whole world believed in life after death. The Idolaters believe in Life after death.  

Jesus Christ commission the disciples to preach the Gospel to Nations who believe in Life after Death, and that's why they welcomed the Gospel and believe in Jesus Christ and that God gave him the Heaven as his Inheritance for him and his children, even to those who call upon his name. 

[DeighAnn]

 A BUNCH OF SCRIPTURE, mostly all scripture, 
with a smattering of thoughts on


Day of the Lord, which IMO would naturally be 'the Lords Day'  (but I am going ONLY by what I find WRITTEN, and not by the traditions men had in the first century AND I realize that is an understanding held by a minority of the people).  

So just posting a bunch of scripture to let the  SONshine on a few who may want it, since I myself didn't even question'the Lords Day' and what it meant by the time I got to Revelation, reading Gods Word as instructed and brought together those that might be the reason for it. GODS WORD itself had already formed the way I thought/read and this understanding just came NATURALLY. 

 

Aren't these the days of man and his judgments, not so much Gods?
1 Corinthians 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

1 Corinthians 4:2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.

1 Corinthians 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.

...He that judgeth me is the Lord...Therefore judge nothing before the time, UNTIL THE LORD COME...and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts...that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written...

7 For WHO maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

It is through THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, we hear today.  We will not hear Gods voice again UNTIL the Lord returns.  Right now He remains silent.  These are the days of MANS JUDGMENT but THE LORD COMETH SOON.  Praise YE the LORD!!!

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12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up and he shall be brought low

(Whos' day would that be?)

13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon that are high and lifted up and upon all the oaks of Bashan  14 And upon all the high mountains and upon all the hills that are lifted up  15 And upon every high tower and upon every fenced wall  16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish and upon all pleasant pictures.  17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

(what day?  The Lords Day just rolls off the tongue naturally for me)

18 And the idols He shall utterly abolish.  19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks and into the caves of the earth for fear of the LORD and for the glory of His majesty, when He ariseth to shake terribly the earth.  20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats  21 To go into the clefts of the rocks and into the tops of the ragged rocks for fear of the LORD and for the glory of His majesty when He ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils for wherein is he to be accounted of ?

  

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Isaiah 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.  7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt 8 And they shall be afraid pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth they shall be amazed one at another their faces shall be as flames.

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Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. 10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. 11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. 12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. 13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

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Ezekiel 13:5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. 6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying The LORD saith and the LORD hath not sent them and THEY HAVE MADE OTHERS TO HOPE THAT THEY WOULD CONFIRM THE WORD.

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Joel 1:13 Gird yourselves, and lament, ye priests: howl, ye ministers of the altar: come, lie all night in sackcloth, ye ministers of my God: for the meat offering and the drink offering is withholden from the house of your God. 14 Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD  15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.  16 Is not the meat cut off before our eyes, yea, joy and gladness from the house of our God?  17 The seed is rotten under their clods, the garners are laid desolate, the barns are broken down; for the corn is withered.

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Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in My holy mountain let all the inhabitants of the land tremble for the day of the LORD cometh for it is nigh at hand  2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.  3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.  4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.  5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.  6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.  7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks 8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. 9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief 10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining

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11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible and who can abide it?  12 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: 13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. 14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?

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Joel 3:12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.  13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.  14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.  15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.  16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.  17 So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.  18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth out of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.  19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.  20 But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.  (Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession).

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Amos 5:12 For I know your manifold transgressions and your mighty sins: they afflict the just, they take a bribe, and they turn aside the poor in the gate from their right. 13 Therefore the prudent shall keep silence in that time; for it is an evil time. 14 Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. 15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph. 16 Therefore the LORD, the God of hosts, the LORD, saith thus Wailing shall be in all streets and they shall say in all the highways Alas! alas! and they shall call the husbandman to mourning and such as are skilful of lamentation to wailing.  17 And in all vineyards shall be wailing for I will pass through thee, saith the LORD. 18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light. 19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.

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20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it? 21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. 22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts. 23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols. 24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream. 25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel? 26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. 27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.

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Obadiah 1:15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

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Zephaniah 1:11 Howl, ye inhabitants of Maktesh, for all the merchant people are cut down; all they that bear silver are cut off.  12 And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles and punish the men that are settled on their lees that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil.13 Therefore their goods shall become a booty, and their houses a desolation: they shall also build houses, but not inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, but not drink the wine thereof.


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14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.  15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,  16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.  17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.  18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of His jealousy: for He shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

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Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.  2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.  3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.  4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.  5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD  6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

FATHER (S)  THAT WOULD BE PLURAL, MORE THAN ONE FATHER

 

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Zechariah 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.

Zechariah 14:4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Zechariah 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah and the LORD my God shall come, AND ALL THE SAINTS WITH THEE.

Zechariah 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

Zechariah 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zechariah 14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

Zechariah 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Zechariah 14:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

Zechariah 14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

Zechariah 14:15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zechariah 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Zechariah 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zechariah 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zechariah 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

Zechariah 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.



2 Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.


 

2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,





Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

The Genesis and the Revelation,  The beginning and the end. 

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the water


Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

[Charlie744]

22 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The Jews said: we are Abraham children. 

Abraham is our Father. 

They said that because their Father Abraham enter a Covenant with the Lord on their behalf. 

That the Lord will be their God and they will be his people not only while they live but also after they die. 

In life and in death. 

Everyone believed in Life after death both Jews and Gentiles. The whole world believed in life after death. The Idolaters believe in Life after death.  

Jesus Christ commission the disciples to preach the Gospel to Nations who believe in Life after Death, and that's why they welcomed the Gospel and believe in Jesus Christ and that God gave him the Heaven as his Inheritance for him and his children, even to those who call upon his name. 

Tim, unfortunately for me, the only book I have attempted to study and not just read is Daniel, but I do believe that mankind has always believed in some time of afterlife.

I am trying to come up with some verses or comments within the OT that might support this and assuming I am not "stretching" their meaning beyond the words but here are some thoughts:

1) Even though he was not a Jew, I believe Job was looking forward to "see the Lord" after his death,

2) Isaiah 26 tells us "your dead will rise",

3) Ezekiel 37 talks about the "dry bones",

4) Daniel 12 describes the "many of them that sleep in the dust",

5) Daniel 12 says, but go your way until the end,

7) Daniel 7 where Jesus will be given HiS kingdom of.....,

8) II Kings 2 where Elijah is taken away to heaven,

9) Genesis 2:7 (definition of creation of Adam) ties with Matthew 10 where Jesus warns not to worry about the one who kills the body but not the soul,

10) Genesis 5 where Enoch was taken to heaven....There seems to be many more references to the lift after death - before Abraham and certainly after,

11) Additionally, if we consider all the patriarchs in the Bible  -

         a) Abraham, Sarah, Joseph, Jacob, and more desired to be buried not in another land, not in Egypt but in Israel. They were unlike the pagans who would literally discard their bodies as trash to be thrown away.... they may have believed in their own version of an afterlife (especially the Pharaohs), but this afterlife was for the soul and not the body... They did not seem to regard the body very much.  The Jews on the other hand, did believe in a resurrection of the body and the soul. Their burial place was important to them! 

         b) Martha responded to Jesus that "we will be resurrected in the last days",

       

Tim, I am sure you or anyone else can put together a more impressive list of verses or events in the OT that speak on this...... 

Just my thoughts, Charlie

 

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Tim, unfortunately for me, the only book I have attempted to study and not just read is Daniel, but I do believe that mankind has always believed in some time of afterlife.

I am trying to come up with some verses or comments within the OT that might support this and assuming I am not "stretching" their meaning beyond the words but here are some thoughts:

1) Even though he was not a Jew, I believe Job was looking forward to "see the Lord" after his death,

2) Isaiah 26 tells us "your dead will rise",

3) Ezekiel 37 talks about the "dry bones",

4) Daniel 12 describes the "many of them that sleep in the dust",

5) Daniel 12 says, but go your way until the end,

7) Daniel 7 where Jesus will be given HiS kingdom of.....,

8) II Kings 2 where Elijah is taken away to heaven,

9) Genesis 2:7 (definition of creation of Adam) ties with Matthew 10 where Jesus warns not to worry about the one who kills the body but not the soul,

10) Genesis 5 where Enoch was taken to heaven....There seems to be many more references to the lift after death - before Abraham and certainly after,

11) Additionally, if we consider all the patriarchs in the Bible  -

         a) Abraham, Sarah, Joseph, Jacob, and more desired to be buried not in another land, not in Egypt but in Israel. They were unlike the pagans who would literally discard their bodies as trash to be thrown away.... they may have believed in their own version of an afterlife (especially the Pharaohs), but this afterlife was for the soul and not the body... They did not seem to regard the body very much.  The Jews on the other hand, did believe in a resurrection of the body and the soul. Their burial place was important to them! 

         b) Martha responded to Jesus that "we will be resurrected in the last days",

       

Tim, I am sure you or anyone else can put together a more impressive list of verses or events in the OT that speak on this...... 

Just my thoughts, Charlie

 

I have a lot of scriptures and I have to choose which ones I have to post first. 

First of all we must know that the Heavenly Inheritance for mankind came through Jesus Christ. 

Jesus Christ while speaking to the Israelites Jews and non Jews, as some of them who followed him were the priesthood families because of the witness of John the Baptist about him. 

John the Baptist had the word of the Lord in his Spirit in the inner man.

The Spirit man the John the Baptist who continues to live after the body dies. 

The physical man has the need for oxygen but not the Spirit man who is superior to the physical man in the aspect that he does not have the need for oxygen because oxygen is part of the physical world. 

This is the point, Jesus said to John's disciples who came to see him when John was in Jail.

He said to them tell John everything you have witnessed today. 

Jesus Christ knew that John the Baptist will die and that he will also die but after him.

John's ministry it was to go before the Lord and prepared the way for him to tell the people that the Messiah's coming is at hand and it has been given to him to Identify him.

Jesus Christ knew that he soon had to die and that John the Baptist had to die before him and as the seed of Abraham he had to descend to the Bossom of Abraham, in other words at death John had to be gathered to his Patriarch Abraham.   

And John's mission was to inform Abraham and everyone else with him that the day of the Christ of God, the Messiah is at hand. 

Just before Jesus Christ death and his descend to the Bossom of Abraham something happened Lasarus who knew Jesus Christ died and he went to them and of course he told them to Abraham and to John the Baptist everything he knew about Jesus Christ. 

As the promise from the Lord to Abraham was to wait for the Messiah the Christ of God who will be of his seed as to the flesh and that meant that at the time of his death he had (the Messiah to be gathered to Abraham as he was his Patriarch according to the flesh. 

The promise of the Lord to Abraham was that Christ will take them out from there and to his Heavenly Inheritance.

At that time we know that Jesus Christ raised Lasarus from the Bossom of Abraham because that's where at death the seed of Abraham was gathered.  

Abraham was wondering if the same thing will happen to them, that this is how they will leave this place and be on their way to their Heavenly Inheritance in Jesus Christ. 

There is one more thing to add and that is the prophetic in the Scriptures which I will post in the next post.

Edited April 18, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

Exodus 3:6, NIV: "Then he said, 'I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.' At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God."

Exodus 3:6, ESV: "And he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God."
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God identifies himself who he is, and why God has to do that? And this is for more than one reason as it can been seen for what follows, when God sent Moses to face the Gods of the Egyptians.

Moses was raised in the Palace of Faraoh in the same way an Egyptian Prince is raised. 

Moses was not raised in the Palace of Faraoh to the God of Abraham but to the Egyptians God's of Faraoh. 

[Your closest friendnt]

Exodus 3:6, NIV: "Then he said, 'I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.' At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God."

Exodus 3:6, ESV: "And he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God."
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God identifies himself who he is, and why God has to do that? And this is for more than one reason as it can been seen for what follows, when God sent Moses to face the Gods of the Egyptians.

Moses was raised in the Palace of Faraoh in the same way an Egyptian Prince is raised. 

Moses was not raised in the Palace of Faraoh to the God of Abraham but to the Egyptians God's of Faraoh. 

The Lord is about to enlist someone who had worship other Gods in the past, the Lord is enlisting Moses who knew and had experience the power and the strength of the Gods of the Egyptians and their Priests. 

Moses knew that the powers of the Gods of Egypt were working through their Priests. 

The powers of their Gods were manifested through their Priests. 

When the Lord recruited Moses he did not have the Tent of the Testimony and he did not have the Priesthood as both of them came later on.

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The Lord gave powers to Moses he made him someone great and he gave him a scepter, the scepter of the Shepherds and the travelers. 

Unlike the scepter of the Priests of Pharaoh made of gold and precious stones which identified the strength of the Priest his standing before their Gods. 

The Lord gave confidence to Moses to go and face the powers of the Faraoh's Priests by telling him that he is the God of Abraham and Issac and Jacob not only while they lived but also after they had died he continues to be their God. The Lord God revealed himself to Moses as the Almighty God, the God above all Gods, and who had the power to be the God of his people while in the body and while out of the body.

God saw to Moses that Abraham was the Patriarch of his people. 

God had a people unto himself for the first time in Abraham and his chosen seed Isaac and Jacob and all the house of Jacob, which renamed Israel and his descendants were the Israelites.  

That made the distinction between the Lord God and the Gods of the Egyptians who were only the Gods of the Egyptians while were alive and stopped being their Gods at the time of their death. 

Revelation 1:18

***And the Ever-living One [I am living in the eternity of the eternities]. I died, but see, I am alive forevermore; and I possess the keys of death and Hades (the realm of the dead).

BRG

***I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 

***and the Living One. I was dead, but look—I am alive forever and ever, and I hold the keys of death and Hades.

  This is after the death of Jesus Christ and not before.  

After death people are alive whether unto God or unto Hades. 

Everyone whether in the body or out the body is alive to someone. 

This is telling us that everyone is alive without his dead body, that he does not need his body to be alive.

 

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2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Exodus 3:6, NIV: "Then he said, 'I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.' At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God."

Exodus 3:6, ESV: "And he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God."
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One of my All time Favorite Verses.   From the Torah:

 

6And He said, "I am the Elohim of your father, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob." And Moses hid his face because he was afraid to look toward Elohim.

ווַיֹּ֗אמֶר אָֽנֹכִי֙ אֱלֹהֵ֣י אָבִ֔יךָ אֱלֹהֵ֧י אַבְרָהָ֛ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֖ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֣י יַֽעֲקֹ֑ב וַיַּסְתֵּ֤ר משֶׁה֙ פָּנָ֔יו כִּ֣י יָרֵ֔א מֵֽהַבִּ֖יט אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִֽים:

[Your closest friendnt]

Abraham was told by God that at the time of his death he will be gathered to his Ancestors. 

Genesis 15:15.

The Lord made many promises to Abraham and he told him that he will know for sure that his promises to him will come to pass.  

Abraham believe in Life after Death and the Lord knew that and this is why he told him that he will know for sure that all the promises he made to him that will come to pass. 

Abraham died and they buried his body and he was gathered to his ancestors.

This promised from God had nothing to do with his body which was from dust to dust, from earth to earth. But it had to do with his Spirit man.  

After his death Abraham continued to exist without his phycical body. 

Abraham did not need his physical body to know who he was, and all his experiences he had while he lived before he died.

At his death he did not loose anything besides his physical body. 

Abraham was alive with all his memories. 

When Issac died he joined Abraham where Abraham was. When Jacob died he also Joined Abraham and Issac where they were. 

And they could communicate and tell one another what happened in their lives while on earth.

So Abraham got to know everything about his descendants from them when they were gathered to him.

We know that they were not with the Lord God because he had told them that they cannot be with him. But even though they had died they were still alive to God.

The Lord was their God and they continued to be his people after death.

And the God of the Dead Hades could not have them he was off limits. 

This is the first time that the God of the dead could not be the God of Abraham and his descendants. 

That's why we say God set apart Abraham and his seed from the rest of the world not only in Life but also in death.  

He told them that they will be gathered to their ancestors. 

Abraham understood the Lord because that what he believed in the first place. 

That man is at the same time a physical and a Spirit man and when the physical dies Man continues to live without the need of the physical body. 

Praise God. 

God made it clear to his people not to do what other nations do and allowed ancestors worship or having the spirits of the ancestors as their guiding Angel's or worshiping the dead. 

He said to Abraham and to his descendants "I am your shield and your great reward.

Genesis 15:2 

What about Job...

One thing is for sure when Job died he found out the Truth about Life after death.  

He does not seem to be the seed of Abraham so at the time of his death Hades was there to take him like anyone else. Till the time of Jesus Christ. When Jesus Christ took the Keys and ended THE MONOPOLY OF the combination when Death comes to a man The God of the Dead Hades is there to Harvest his soul. 

The Gods which they worship they did not dispute the right of Hades to take them because they were their Gods only while they were alive. 

Solomon believe there is  life after death. He did not speak against it. He only cautions the people not to worship their ancestors and have them as their guiding and protecting Spirits the way other nations do and he knew those things because he married women who had those customs.

He cautioned people not to seek the advice of the dead as it was the custom of their neighbors. And he said it in his own way. He knew what the Law says and what happened to king Saul. 

Solomon did not speak against life after death only he said the dead they are not loitering around their families.  

Solomon he did not speak against Life after death.  

 

Edited April 18, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

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