Politics and Fellowship

[Whyme]

2 hours ago, Riverwalker said:

I think it can be discussed in its own forum and its own time, but not so much in fellowship. We have to consider everyone one in fellowship and why they are there.  A lot of people come to church for a refreshing and to recover getting beat up in daily life, and really are looking for a no drama zone. And we ALL know politics has a lot of drama.

This is a spiritual topic not just a political one. I see no reason why it cant be posted here.

[Whyme]

2 hours ago, debrakay said:

I have had trouble with "living in the world and not being a part of the world" sometimes.  It's hard for me to just sit by and watch as my fellow humans become more and more filled with lust, power, greed and selfishness and not become irate.  I try not to respond from my humanism but it's hard for me when someone attacks people I love or my beliefs.  To watch others destroy with their actions and words and stand idly by is hard for me.  I'm like a mama bear protecting her cubs. I am trying to chose my battles wisely more these days since there are sooooooooooo many battles going on in the world today.  

Wisdom is what i seek, thank you.

[R. Hartono]

13 hours ago, Whyme said:

But then enter Trump. I saw how he was really making America great again, and i love America. The man actually accomplished a lot of good for this country, but alas politics dont give credit where credit is due, it only gives credit to its own side. I saw how Trump was mistreated by democrats and the media. I saw what i consider to be partisan hypocrisy and bigotry. So i gave up on my quest to love liberals and i hailed Trump. I still like Trump, even though hes not perfect, but i have a higher calling do i not?

Perhaps politics can be discussed in a spiritual manner? Perhaps politics are just worldly, a trap set for our feet that causes us to stumble, i.e. a stumbling block? Are worldly concerns even spiritual? Many questions. I look forward to a discussion in fellowship, in the Spirit with others. Please forgive me, and don't blame me for my like of Trump and what i said about hypocrisy. I dont want to stumble or cause another to stumble, im just being honest and i pour out my heart in this matter for the sake of Truth in the inwards parts of myself, and for fellowship in the Spirit.. Please, if you like, feel free to share what you think of Republicans and i will pray and try not to be offended. And please dont be offended by me. Im looking for wisdom from my brothers and sisters. Thank you.

 

I agree with u Trump is good but may be for America only.

 

Edited April 15, 2021 by R. Hartono

[Marathoner]

4 hours ago, Whyme said:

This is a spiritual topic not just a political one. I see no reason why it cant be posted here.

What you're going through is spiritual without a doubt, but do you understand that the nature of politics engenders division? The moment you refer to a brother or sister --- or your neighbor --- as a Republican or Democrat, you embrace this division for you no longer regard your neighbor as yourself. You view them as an other. People are either your ally or opponent.  

This flies in the face of what Jesus Christ taught and is contrary to the testimony of the scriptures. The Lord never told us to support a leader only if they meet with our approval, much like how He never said "love your neighbor so long as they please you." I've observed political thinking destroy fellowship time and time again. It's a terrible thing to witness.  

[Charlie744]

4 hours ago, Whyme said:

This is a spiritual topic not just a political one. I see no reason why it cant be posted here.

Got scripture for that?  

[Whyme]

29 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Got scripture for that?  

The OP mentioned Gods wisdom and devilish wisdom.

 

James 3:13 Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter jealousy and [k]selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, [l]natural, demonic. 16 For where jealousy and [m]selfish ambition exist, [n]there is disorder and every evil thing. 17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peace-loving, gentle, [o]reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, [p]impartial, free of hypocrisy. 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace [q]by those who make peace.

[Charlie744]

Just now, Whyme said:

The OP mentioned Gods wisdom and devilish wisdom.

 

James 3:13 Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter jealousy and [k]selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, [l]natural, demonic. 16 For where jealousy and [m]selfish ambition exist, [n]there is disorder and every evil thing. 17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peace-loving, gentle, [o]reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, [p]impartial, free of hypocrisy. 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace [q]by those who make peace.

You DID know I was joking?

Charlie

[Whyme]

Just now, Charlie744 said:

You DID know I was joking?

Charlie

 

I wasnt sure but the thought crossed my mind yes. But you had a good idea anyway, scriptura is what we need.

[Charlie744]

Just now, Whyme said:

 

I wasnt sure but the thought crossed my mind yes. But you had a good idea anyway, scriptura is what we need.

Oh good! Thank God!!!! 

Best wishes always, Charlie 

[Whyme]

6 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Oh good! Thank God!!!! 

Best wishes always, Charlie 

This part of the scripture alone rebukes politicians. (impartial, free of hypocrisy)

But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peace-loving, gentle, [o]reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, [p]impartial, free of hypocrisy. 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace [q]by those who make peace.