Teachers, can you do better, or worse?

[Marathoner]

3 hours ago, Whyme said:

I believe God showns me my errors.

Then I would encourage you to consider the same for your brothers and sisters in Christ, all of whom are a work in progress. Remember the exhortation of scripture,

Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not to have quarrels over opinions. One person has faith that he may eat all things, but the one who is weak eats only vegetables. The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. (Roman 14:1-4 NASB)

We're to test the spirits to see if they are of God, @Whyme. I've known more than one teacher approved of the Lord so I urge you to refrain from dismissing the works of the Spirit in others, for in doing so you judge a servant of the Lord.   

[OneLight]

2 hours ago, Whyme said:

No. What is our works in Hebrews 4? Do you think it refers to resting on a certain day of the week? It does not because God wouldn't allow them to enter His rest. Does that mean God stopped them from observing Sabbath day? The rest is found in Jesus i must assume. Its not as C.S. said, on Sunday. Do i rest in Jesus on Sunday but then not on monday thru Saturday?

You do realize the rest is to be from our labors, not Gods work, right?  This is also different than the rest in God as we can find rest in Him at any time.  Let's not mix the two as they are apples and oranges.

[Whyme]

13 minutes ago, OneLight said:

You do realize the rest is to be from our labors, not Gods work, right?  This is also different than the rest in God as we can find rest in Him at any time.  Let's not mix the two as they are apples and oranges.

What is our labors? Hebrews 4 says God has to give us Sabbath rest. Its not about resting on a certain day.

[OneLight]

2 hours ago, Whyme said:

Sure God anoints us.

 

1 John 2:27

English Standard Version

27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him.

By pulling the verse out of context, it does sound that nobody needs teach anyone, but that is a false teaching.  What was the writer talking about?  Lets look at Hebrews 4:24-27 ... (Italics mine)

Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.  And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life. 

These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you.  But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

Notice that they had already been taught so they don't need to be taught again since they already know.  When a teacher teaches us, the Holy Spirit makes sure we have the correct understanding.  I believe with my whole heart that the Holy Spirit knows what He is doing when He sets up teachers.  Scripture tells us He does, so why should anyone listen to any claim that goes against scripture.

[Whyme]

t the scripture means.

42 minutes ago, Josheb said:

No, that is NOT what it states.

It states until we attain unity of the faith, until we attain the knowledge of the Son of God, until we attain maturity, until we attain the stature of the fullness of Christ. That is what it states, Whyme. Go back and re-read the passage. Only after having attained those conditions will we no longer be children, will we no longer be swayed by every doctrine, no longer deceived by others. 

We have not attained unity, Whyme. You most definitely are not mature and have not attained a full knowledge of God or the fullness of His Son. I don't say that to be critical of you or tear you down. Neither do I make that appraisal baselessly. I post that based on the evidence contained in these posts I read. The posts don't contain much scripture. Some of the contents of the posts contradict things scripture plainly states. The posts in some places contradict one another! The posts contain logical fallacies. And as we have just witnessed, the posts sometimes show an incorrect understanding of scripture. 

You got the "until" in the wrong place. 

Those mistakes do not evidence unity, maturity, Christfulness. 

The fundamental reality of the opening post is that it implicitly argues "I need no one other than God's Spirit and His word and I have no need of any of you." That is by definition NOT unity. It is not mature, either. It is not Christlike, either. It definitely does not reflect a knowledge of God - the knowledge that is found only in His Son's body of priestly believers!  In other words, from the very outset of this op you put your lack on display for all to see.....

.....and everyone here has shown you an observable amount of grace, bearing with you in an effort to help you see beyond the insanity of measuring your life in antithesis of the Pope and Kenneth Copeland. 

It might have felt like we were ganging up on you and you may have felt put in the defensive but those are Luke 6:45 problems, not our intent. 

1 Corinthians 13:4-7
"Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant,  does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered,  does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;  bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things."

Were we not patient, kind, considerate, humble, truthful, hopeful, and enduring? Perhaps we were imperfect but that goes to prove the point: no one is perfect. 

Proverbs 27:6
"Faithful are the wounds of a friend...."

You asked me about grace and I told you it was here -  right here in the op -  for you to receive because for those in Christ everything is an act of God's grace. We know this because he works all things for good in the lives of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose. The verse does not say God works all things for good except the Pope. It does not say God works all things except Kenneth Copeland. It plainly states He works ALL things for good. Even condemnation, tribulation, famine, nakedness, persecution, and even bad teachers are worked for good in the lives of God's regenerate redeemed. 

But only the mature and faithfully faithful can see that because - as I showed with the many proverbs - fools do not receive instruction; they refuse it and as a consequence they do not grow into maturity.

The problem is no teacher is perfect but some are measurably more scripturally wise than others.... despite their imperfect. And God has permitted that condition to exist for a reason and He has promised to work it for good in our lives....... and that good is unity, maturity, increased knowledge of God and Christlikeness. 

Do you understand that OneLight, Yourclosestfriendnt, teddyv, enoob57, Marathoner, Alive, Starise, myself and every other poster who has weighed in on this op is the body of Christ in which you are a member with us? 

1 Corinthians 12:14-27
"For the body is not one member, but many.  If the foot says, "Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.  And if the ear says, "Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.  If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be?  But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired.  If they were all one member, where would the body be?  But now there are many members, but one body.  And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; or again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you."  On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary;  and those members of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable,  whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked,  so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.  And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.  Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it."

But this op implicitly argues, "No, I have no need of the other members to teach me; I have God and His word and that is all I need. I have no need of you."

And I am guessing that is not what you set out to say. 

You set out to discuss the veracity of imperfect teachers and the need for discernment, did you not?

So God wants us to be children tossed about by the winds of Doctrine until the Lord returns? No, thats not what the scripture is saying.

Edited April 23, 2021 by Whyme

[OneLight]

2 minutes ago, Whyme said:

What is our labors? Hebrews 4 says God has to give us Sabbath rest. Its not about resting on a certain day.

Physically exhausting work, like a job.  That is our labors.  Everyone needs a day off so their bodies, minds and spirit can rest.

[Whyme]

1 minute ago, OneLight said:

By pulling the verse out of context, it does sound that nobody needs teach anyone, but that is a false teaching.  What was the writer talking about?  Lets look at Hebrews 4:24-27 ... (Italics mine)

Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.  And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life. 

These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you.  But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

Notice that they had already been taught so they don't need to be taught again since they already know.  When a teacher teaches us, the Holy Spirit makes sure we have the correct understanding.  I believe with my whole heart that the Holy Spirit knows what He is doing when He sets up teachers.  Scripture tells us He does, so why should anyone listen to any claim that goes against scripture.

I have what Jesus taught in the beginning, i need no teacher. 

[Whyme]

Just now, OneLight said:

Physically exhausting work, like a job.  That is our labors.  Everyone needs a day off so their bodies, minds and spirit can rest.

But Jesus didnt rest on Sabbath.

[Your closest friendnt]

51 minutes ago, Josheb said:

No, that is NOT what it states.

It states until we attain unity of the faith, until we attain the knowledge of the Son of God, until we attain maturity, until we attain the stature of the fullness of Christ. That is what it states, Whyme. Go back and re-read the passage. Only after having attained those conditions will we no longer be children, will we no longer be swayed by every doctrine, no longer deceived by others. 

We have not attained unity, Whyme. You most definitely are not mature and have not attained a full knowledge of God or the fullness of His Son. I don't say that to be critical of you or tear you down. Neither do I make that appraisal baselessly. I post that based on the evidence contained in these posts I read. The posts don't contain much scripture. Some of the contents of the posts contradict things scripture plainly states. The posts in some places contradict one another! The posts contain logical fallacies. And as we have just witnessed, the posts sometimes show an incorrect understanding of scripture. 

You got the "until" in the wrong place. 

Those mistakes do not evidence unity, maturity, Christfulness. 

The fundamental reality of the opening post is that it implicitly argues "I need no one other than God's Spirit and His word and I have no need of any of you." That is by definition NOT unity. It is not mature, either. It is not Christlike, either. It definitely does not reflect a knowledge of God - the knowledge that is found only in His Son's body of priestly believers!  In other words, from the very outset of this op you put your lack on display for all to see.....

.....and everyone here has shown you an observable amount of grace, bearing with you in an effort to help you see beyond the insanity of measuring your life in antithesis of the Pope and Kenneth Copeland. 

It might have felt like we were ganging up on you and you may have felt put in the defensive but those are Luke 6:45 problems, not our intent. 

1 Corinthians 13:4-7
"Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant,  does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered,  does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;  bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things."

Were we not patient, kind, considerate, humble, truthful, hopeful, and enduring? Perhaps we were imperfect but that goes to prove the point: no one is perfect. 

Proverbs 27:6
"Faithful are the wounds of a friend...."

You asked me about grace and I told you it was here -  right here in the op -  for you to receive because for those in Christ everything is an act of God's grace. We know this because he works all things for good in the lives of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose. The verse does not say God works all things for good except the Pope. It does not say God works all things except Kenneth Copeland. It plainly states He works ALL things for good. Even condemnation, tribulation, famine, nakedness, persecution, and even bad teachers are worked for good in the lives of God's regenerate redeemed. 

But only the mature and faithfully faithful can see that because - as I showed with the many proverbs - fools do not receive instruction; they refuse it and as a consequence they do not grow into maturity.

The problem is no teacher is perfect but some are measurably more scripturally wise than others.... despite their imperfect. And God has permitted that condition to exist for a reason and He has promised to work it for good in our lives....... and that good is unity, maturity, increased knowledge of God and Christlikeness. 

Do you understand that OneLight, Yourclosestfriendnt, teddyv, enoob57, Marathoner, Alive, Starise, myself and every other poster who has weighed in on this op is the body of Christ in which you are a member with us? 

1 Corinthians 12:14-27
"For the body is not one member, but many.  If the foot says, "Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.  And if the ear says, "Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.  If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be?  But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired.  If they were all one member, where would the body be?  But now there are many members, but one body.  And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; or again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you."  On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary;  and those members of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable,  whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked,  so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.  And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.  Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it."

But this op implicitly argues, "No, I have no need of the other members to teach me; I have God and His word and that is all I need. I have no need of you."

And I am guessing that is not what you set out to say. 

You set out to discuss the veracity of imperfect teachers and the need for discernment, did you not?

I am not sure of the specific message in this post. 

I do not say anything against of the good intent, but the brother also has a good intent, as Paul had when he said "do not Lord it over the believers " and take their money.

We do not know if the Lord has brought the brother from church to church which Lord it over the people with an Iron fist. 

And he may have done this just to bring him closer to him. 

We cannot exclude that the Lord may have sent him here to bring to the attention to a lot of believers who read the post something very important in the same way John wrote in one of his epistles. 2 John ...

"The anointing in you will teach you all things" 

Is not hidden from anyone that the moto of the RC is Unity and that everyone who is not in unity with the church which God has appointed over them is a heretic and lost and they seal their fait by exocomunicating them. 

That's how they  shut down the anointing of the Holy Spirit that works in the hearts and minds of their members.

They do that in the name of Unity and Solidarity. 

The brother has a mission and a message and if he needs to police himself in the way he present it he will and God is able to help him communicate his message in a more effective way and to learn to co-operate with other believers.  

To grow and mature it does not come overnight it takes time. 

In due time. 

To tell him to be careful is one thing, to tell him not to seek the Lord in the way he desires to seek the Lord is not for us but for him to decide and the Lord can guide him and lead him from there on and to bring in his path people who can help him to develop and perfect his gift of discernment and he can teach him to distinguish between one and the other without going into specifics. And that takes time and does not come overnight as we learn in the parable of the talents.

We one thing he is not doing is remaining silent or burying his talent. 

 

Edited April 23, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[OneLight]

3 minutes ago, Whyme said:

But Jesus didnt rest on Sabbath.

Did Jesus have a job besides doing His Fathers work during His ministry?  I have not read that He did.  He was a carpenter before, but not during, so He had no problem resting everyday.