Teachers, can you do better, or worse?

[teddyv]

3 minutes ago, OneLight said:

I have no idea what you are referring to when speaking about Ravi Zacharias "other" topic.  Care to unpack that idea?

I will say that I was set back by your grouping Jim Jones with Ravi Zacharias.  Care to provide us with the similarities that would group them together?

I agree that lumping those together seems a bit of a category error.

Ravi Zacharias was found to have engaged in inappropriate behaviour with many other women. Here is a report (PDF) that was prepared by a legal firm on the matter.

[Still Alive]

1 minute ago, teddyv said:

I agree that lumping those together seems a bit of a category error.

Ravi Zacharias was found to have engaged in inappropriate behaviour with many other women. Here is a report (PDF) that was prepared by a legal firm on the matter.

See my post above yours for a clarification. Ravi's teaching seemed to be a bit more sound than Mr. Jones'.

[teddyv]

 

1 minute ago, Still Alive said:

See my post above yours for a clarification. Ravi's teaching seemed to be a bit more sound than Mr. Jones'.

Yes, I saw that as I was submitting mine.

Ravi's apologetics were very good. It is a shame that his legacy is going to be so tarnished by his wrongdoing. 

 

[Whyme]

1 hour ago, Still Alive said:

That's not what I'm saying. I use my tag line to clarify. But yes, there are things in the bible that are absolutely not technically true. There are not 8 legged insects. The bible is a collection of books that are both human and spiritual in origin. They are not words handed down to some guy in a trance. They are words of men with a relationship with God, some told by God specifically to write down certain thngs. And in some cases they even contain the actual words of God, e.g. anything in red print in some bibles.

If it were otherwise, we'd only need one gospel. 

If you are looking for a book that claims to be "handed down" from God to man, look no further than the Book of Mormon or the Quran. That is not what the bible claims to be at all. 

To be clear, the bible has "incorrect" information when it comes to science. But it is not a science book. God did not impart 24th century scientific knowledge to any of the writers of its books. that is not the point. That is not its swim lane.

Organisms with 8 legs are members of the class Arachnida which includes spiders, ticks, mites, scorpions, and their relatives.

 

So the bible isnt necessarily wrong. I dont believe the apostles taught error either.

[Whyme]

If you are looking for science in a book of poetry you will be disappointed. The 4 corners of the earth is just a poetic expression, not science and its not suppose to be. If i use the phrase four corners of the earth will you call it a lie or understand its just an expression?? 

[Still Alive]

3 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Organisms with 8 legs are members of the class Arachnida which includes spiders, ticks, mites, scorpions, and their relatives.

 

So the bible isnt necessarily wrong. I dont believe the apostles taught error either.

It is the translations that are wrong. Insects have six legs. Arachnids have 8 legs. But my point is not that the bible is wrong. It is that it's not precise on some things. It gives enough to make the point, without exposing perfect scientific knowledge to ancient man.  Getting it scientifically wrong is fine. It communicates to those for whom it was written. 

[Logostician]

The Holy Spirit is the best teacher you can get.  Anyone who is saved is never alone.  The Spirit of God is always with him.  And the Spirit leads, guides, directs, and teaches, as long as we will yield and listen.  It's a good idea to ask for this guidance every time you open your Bible.  The Spirit of God is the ultimate authority on the Bible.  It is the Spirit of God that inspired men to write the revelations of God in the first place.

[Whyme]

Just now, Still Alive said:

It is the translations that are wrong. Insects have six legs. Arachnids have 8 legs. But my point is not that the bible is wrong. It is that it's not precise on some things. It gives enough to make the point, without exposing perfect scientific knowledge to ancient man.  Getting it scientifically wrong is fine. It communicates to those for whom it was written. 

When that scripture was wrote, did science classify insects? No. What you are engaging in is semantics. The bible is not wrong, 

[Still Alive]

3 minutes ago, Whyme said:

When that scripture was wrote, did science classify insects? No. What you are engaging in is semantics. The bible is not wrong, 

What I'm doing is really warning against arguing semantics. We are actually on the same page here.

[Alive]

I agree that we should not use the Bible for something it isn't. Especially when dealing with the lost. There are times when engaging an unbeliever that doing that we have already lost the engagement. The Bible is a book that reveals Jesus Christ for the world and His elect.

You are safe, if you stay there and it is awesomely and richly and thoroughly efficacious in that.