Battle of the mind, overcoming the flesh

[Whyme]

How does one clean the inside of the cup?

 

Matthew 23:25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

Psalm 119:9 How can a young man keep his way pure?
By keeping it according to Your word.
10 With all my heart I have sought You;
Do not let me wander from Your commandments.
11 I have treasured Your word in my heart,
So that I may not sin against You.
12 Blessed are You, Lord;
Teach me Your statutes.
13 With my lips I have told of
All the ordinances of Your mouth.
14 I have rejoiced in the way of Your testimonies,
[e]As much as in all riches.
15 I will meditate on Your precepts
And [f]regard Your ways.
16 I shall [g]delight in Your statutes;
I will not forget Your word.

 

[Whyme]

5 minutes ago, Josheb said:

I meant what I said, Whyme. 

 

It's not personal. I don't trade posts with anyone who misquotes me, misrepresents my posts, argues fallaciously, and/or apologizes and does nothing about the wrongdoing afterwards, or those who simply won't collaborate when there exists plenty with which we can and should agree. I give everyone time and opportunity to consider what I post but some just won't. It's a Titus 3:9-11 situation. You're one of those guys. I assume it is a temporary condition because you're new to the forum, I've read confessions of a desire to learn humility and change, some moderation meted out and some of the adjustments being made. 

No worries. You'll get used to my style. 

Or maybe not. 

Doesn't much matter one way or the other to me because I have said my piece, the posts aren't going anywhere, and the posts speak for themselves whether agreed with or not. I commend your responsiveness in your op on 1 Timothy 4. That was collaborative. That was godly. Do more of that. I hope those last words are taken as a sincere expression of my hope for your future well-being in the forum. 

Here? Now? Natch. Had your chance and I've moved on. You may post all you like but I won't be responding to your posts further in this op. Next op do better and we'll see how that goes. 

You meant what you said? But you are replying to me now. Instead of wasting words about my faults in reading your hard to understand positing style, you could just explain how choosing to think Godly thoughts is done with a fleshy mind. The scriptures say that the carnal mind cannot submit to Gods law and that those in the flesh think about things of the flesh, not Godly things of the Spirit.  

[Sower]

Just now, Whyme said:

How does one clean the inside of the cup?

 

Matthew 23:25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

Psalm 119:9 How can a young man keep his way pure?
By keeping it according to Your word.
10 With all my heart I have sought You;
Do not let me wander from Your commandments.
11 I have treasured Your word in my heart,
So that I may not sin against You.
12 Blessed are You, Lord;
Teach me Your statutes.
13 With my lips I have told of
All the ordinances of Your mouth.
14 I have rejoiced in the way of Your testimonies,
[e]As much as in all riches.
15 I will meditate on Your precepts
And [f]regard Your ways.
16 I shall [g]delight in Your statutes;
I will not forget Your word.

 

 To address your question, Whyme,
when we think we have cleaned the inside,
and done what we believe might work,
others will know us then by our fruits.
The proof is in the pudding...
 

[Whyme]

1 minute ago, Sower said:

 To address your question, Whyme,
when we think we have cleaned the inside,
and done what we believe might work,
others will know us then by our fruits.
The proof is in the pudding...
 

Thats completely Irrelevant. That doesnt answer my question. Innuendo?

[Whyme]

Truth is a fruit of the spirit. Tell me how a fleshy mind thinks about Godly thoughts. Is that a true statement?

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[Whyme]

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[Whyme]

1 minute ago, Josheb said:

The shed blood of Christ and the washing of His word. 

Hebrews 9:11-22
"But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;  and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.  For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,  how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?  For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.  For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it.  For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives.  Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood.  For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,  saying, 'This is the blood of the new covenant which God commanded you.' And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood.  And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." 

 

True, but are we not called to cleanse ourselves as well?

 

2 Corinthians 7

7 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let’s cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

[Whyme]

3 minutes ago, Josheb said:

With what were the Corinthians to clean themselves? Certainly not works of flesh. How is holiness perfected. Surely not through fleshly efforts. NO matter how righteous such act may be they do nothing apart from the blood and Spirit. 

Fleshy efforts only try to do fleshy things. Romans 8 says so. 

 

...another cleansing scripture

James 4:8

Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded

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[Whyme]

2 Timothy 2:20 In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for special purposes and some for common use. 21 Those who cleanse themselves from the latter will be instruments for special purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work.

22 Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

[Your closest friendnt]

4 hours ago, Arrabon said:

@Your closest friendnt

John 5:30, "I can of mine own self do nothing: "AS I HEAR", I judge: and my judgment is just; because "I SEEK NOT MY OWN WILL", but "THE WILL OF MY FATHER" which hath sent me."

As I get older, and after studying many decades, more and more I read scripture as being authored by God through the writers and through Jesus, as the verse above clearly states, and other verses do also.

Yes Jesus did say that in Matthew 7:13 and Luke 13:23-24, but the bible is Gods story to the entire human race, and God is Jesus in human form, as we all know, and so I tend to think and speak in broader terms now than I used to, and it's my way of giving people who read this the credit for already knowing God is Jesus.

I hope that answers your question my friend. GOD BLESS YOU .

My name is ARRABON

Soon we are going to run in some disagreement or as some say the storm has began to brew already, but that should not stop us for trying to clarify the issues at hand. 

I am delighted to read your reply that indeed is Jesus who said those things and not someone else.

To that end the disciples and everyone who was present will agree that indeed it was Jesus talking.

They knew the tone and the accent and everything that sets apart the voice of one man from the other.

And many times Jesus Christ said "listen and take head to what you hear me say. Jesus was a Galilean, he dressed up and talked with the accent of a Galilean. That set him apart from the Pharisees of Jerusalem. 

What I am concerned about is the follow: 

You started your post with John 5:30, yes these are Jesus words and when we read what took place before Jesus said those words then we can understand the reasons why Jesus did say those words.

What happened just before that made Jesus say those words? 

The statements in paragraph two are not Jesus Christ statements and as such they need to be examined inspite of the color of the authors intent that it seems it disprove the e examination of the statements in paragraph two.

The language in paragraph two is very strong , somehow it has the tone of an order with dire consequences to someone who may think to put the soundness of those statements in question. 

In reading the context of Gospels we cannot say that the statements of paragraph two are of the same quality as the statements Jesus Christ made in John 5:30 or preceding John 5:30. 

So why this authoritative strong statement as in Paragraph two.

Because these statements cannot cannot be supported by John 5:30. 

Jesus did not made those statements to be used within the context of the statements in paragraph two.