How does a "soul" (Gen. 2-7) relate to "His image" (Gen. 1:26 -27)?

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Selah7 said:

Hi, DeighAnn...

Would you be willing to provide the answer, according to what you have understood in the Word of God?  Or perhaps you’d rather that we research this out on our own?  John 8:31-32 tells us this: “Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

Hi Selah7, here is a quick 'what I believe so far'.   All I know is I have much more peace and a lot more to talk to God about everyday and my ponderings on His words seem infinite.    

Once the understanding came of 'who' the angels ARE/were,  it just opened up an entire new level of the Word for me.  Lots of the questions I could not understand, living in the world today, had to do with God being JUST (milk).   Sure God knows all, is Sovern, but GOD REPENTED of making man in the flesh.  Doesn't sound like He was holding the reigns real tight on us if at all does it?  And the tower of Siloam, luck of the moment.  Hitler killing children while he keeps breathing just another day.  HOW could souls all be judged the same?  If it was about God just knowing, then what would BE the point of all of this?  There wouldn't be one so.... 


The first thing that really made me question (after the garden question) was 
 

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


NO MATTER what WE think, BEFORE there was an Earth or any DUST of it, there were sons of GOD.  

THAT means sons of God were heavenly/celestial beings, no earth to be made from.  So, God either got rid of all those sons and we are the replacements or WE are all those same sons, with a longer history than we are taught.  Me, I go with the 2nd option because it answers many questions like how someone can never make it out of the womb and stand on judgment day the exact same as someone who lived to be 120 years old.  

Ecclesiastes 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Jacob I loved, Esau I hated.  God knew He had 2 nations in the womb.  He put them there.  They were placed exactly where God wanted them and where it would, in the continuing of life, ultimately be JUST.  God is in total control of what is going on, using the 'few are chosen' to call the many.  The life we find ourselves born into and/or the circumstances of them are just as they should be according to what has happened before and so that on judgment day when all is brought to lite,  ALL will have been treated justly.

If our eternal or lake of fire souls were to be judged ONLY by the events and context of this very unpredictable life, how could that be fair to everyone, God not being a respecter of persons and all and our works following us and we needing to choose.   How could God love one and not another.  How could some be called and others chosen.  How was Satan in the garden.   

Once the first 'angel' revelation was had, then understanding why the 

angels who left their habitation were in so much trouble, how they could procreate with woman, how we can eat the same food, the angel being brethren of the prophets, us entertaining angels unaware, an angel having Gods ear for us (is that in the Bible?) and of course Jacobs ladder.  God is telling us in words a 4th grader could understand we came from God we go back to God.  At the end of the AGES will come judgment.  I for one am much happier it isn't going to be by any sort of 'luck' that eternal life is given.  I think this is just the second to the last 'chance' for some.  

I hope I answered the right question and didn't go overboard but I can't really tell as I feel I am leaving so many points out.  What points do you think are really important?  How did it effect your studies?  And how long do you think it took between the first 'what the heck' and the OMG? if you remember.  Any how, it's good to talk with you.  

[Selah7]

16 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Hi Selah7, here is a quick 'what I believe so far'.   All I know is I have much more peace and a lot more to talk to God about everyday and my ponderings on His words seem infinite.    

Once the understanding came of 'who' the angels ARE/were,  it just opened up an entire new level of the Word for me.  Lots of the questions I could not understand, living in the world today, had to do with God being JUST (milk).   Sure God knows all, is Sovern, but GOD REPENTED of making man in the flesh.  Doesn't sound like He was holding the reigns real tight on us if at all does it?  And the tower of Siloam, luck of the moment.  Hitler killing children while he keeps breathing just another day.  HOW could souls all be judged the same?  If it was about God just knowing, then what would BE the point of all of this?  There wouldn't be one so.... 


The first thing that really made me question (after the garden question) was 
 

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


NO MATTER what WE think, BEFORE there was an Earth or any DUST of it, there were sons of GOD.  

THAT means sons of God were heavenly/celestial beings, no earth to be made from.  So, God either got rid of all those sons and we are the replacements or WE are all those same sons, with a longer history than we are taught.  Me, I go with the 2nd option because it answers many questions like how someone can never make it out of the womb and stand on judgment day the exact same as someone who lived to be 120 years old.  

Ecclesiastes 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Jacob I loved, Esau I hated.  God knew He had 2 nations in the womb.  He put them there.  They were placed exactly where God wanted them and where it would, in the continuing of life, ultimately be JUST.  God is in total control of what is going on, using the 'few are chosen' to call the many.  The life we find ourselves born into and/or the circumstances of them are just as they should be according to what has happened before and so that on judgment day when all is brought to lite,  ALL will have been treated justly.

If our eternal or lake of fire souls were to be judged ONLY by the events and context of this very unpredictable life, how could that be fair to everyone, God not being a respecter of persons and all and our works following us and we needing to choose.   How could God love one and not another.  How could some be called and others chosen.  How was Satan in the garden.   

Once the first 'angel' revelation was had, then understanding why the 

angels who left their habitation were in so much trouble, how they could procreate with woman, how we can eat the same food, the angel being brethren of the prophets, us entertaining angels unaware, an angel having Gods ear for us (is that in the Bible?) and of course Jacobs ladder.  God is telling us in words a 4th grader could understand we came from God we go back to God.  At the end of the AGES will come judgment.  I for one am much happier it isn't going to be by any sort of 'luck' that eternal life is given.  I think this is just the second to the last 'chance' for some.  

I hope I answered the right question and didn't go overboard but I can't really tell as I feel I am leaving so many points out.  What points do you think are really important?  How did it effect your studies?  And how long do you think it took between the first 'what the heck' and the OMG? if you remember.  Any how, it's good to talk with you.  

There you go…your post above is exactly what I was hoping for.  ...and hopefully, folks will read this.  For me, as I studied, and day by day by day, the Word of God became clearer and clearer and clearer, and it was brought alive by the Holy Spirit, literally warming me inside out with knowledge.  As we are told in His Word, people perish for lack of knowledge.  Thanks for sharing.

[Your closest friendnt]

On 5/30/2021 at 5:01 PM, DeighAnn said:

Hi Selah7, here is a quick 'what I believe so far'.   All I know is I have much more peace and a lot more to talk to God about everyday and my ponderings on His words seem infinite.    

Once the understanding came of 'who' the angels ARE/were,  it just opened up an entire new level of the Word for me.  Lots of the questions I could not understand, living in the world today, had to do with God being JUST (milk).   Sure God knows all, is Sovern, but GOD REPENTED of making man in the flesh.  Doesn't sound like He was holding the reigns real tight on us if at all does it?  And the tower of Siloam, luck of the moment.  Hitler killing children while he keeps breathing just another day.  HOW could souls all be judged the same?  If it was about God just knowing, then what would BE the point of all of this?  There wouldn't be one so.... 


The first thing that really made me question (after the garden question) was 
 

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


NO MATTER what WE think, BEFORE there was an Earth or any DUST of it, there were sons of GOD.  

THAT means sons of God were heavenly/celestial beings, no earth to be made from.  So, God either got rid of all those sons and we are the replacements or WE are all those same sons, with a longer history than we are taught.  Me, I go with the 2nd option because it answers many questions like how someone can never make it out of the womb and stand on judgment day the exact same as someone who lived to be 120 years old.  

Ecclesiastes 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Jacob I loved, Esau I hated.  God knew He had 2 nations in the womb.  He put them there.  They were placed exactly where God wanted them and where it would, in the continuing of life, ultimately be JUST.  God is in total control of what is going on, using the 'few are chosen' to call the many.  The life we find ourselves born into and/or the circumstances of them are just as they should be according to what has happened before and so that on judgment day when all is brought to lite,  ALL will have been treated justly.

If our eternal or lake of fire souls were to be judged ONLY by the events and context of this very unpredictable life, how could that be fair to everyone, God not being a respecter of persons and all and our works following us and we needing to choose.   How could God love one and not another.  How could some be called and others chosen.  How was Satan in the garden.   

Once the first 'angel' revelation was had, then understanding why the 

angels who left their habitation were in so much trouble, how they could procreate with woman, how we can eat the same food, the angel being brethren of the prophets, us entertaining angels unaware, an angel having Gods ear for us (is that in the Bible?) and of course Jacobs ladder.  God is telling us in words a 4th grader could understand we came from God we go back to God.  At the end of the AGES will come judgment.  I for one am much happier it isn't going to be by any sort of 'luck' that eternal life is given.  I think this is just the second to the last 'chance' for some.  

I hope I answered the right question and didn't go overboard but I can't really tell as I feel I am leaving so many points out.  What points do you think are really important?  How did it effect your studies?  And how long do you think it took between the first 'what the heck' and the OMG? if you remember.  Any how, it's good to talk with you.  

The book of Job can make someone think.. 

Did God talked to Job? 

I am wondering what Moses has to say and what John the Baptist has to say about the book of Job. 

How the book of Job found a place together with the books of Moses and John's  book of Revelation. 

Man has his own destiny and it cannot be changed.  

God made man lower than the Angels.  

The Angels were first before the Earth and Man begins after the Earth, Man was created the six day. 

The Angels witness the creation of Adam. 

 

 

Edited May 31, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Charlie744]

3 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The book of Job can make someone think.. 

Did God talked to Job? 

I am wondering what Moses has to say and what John the Baptist has to say about the book of Job. 

How the book of Job found a place together with the books of Moses and John's  book of Revelation. 

Man has his own destiny and it cannot be changed.  

God made man lower than the Angels.  

The Angels were first before the Earth and Man begins after the Earth, Man was created the six day. 

The Angels witness the creation of Adam. 

 

 

Nice comment.... as usual!  Does man stay that way once we are resurrected by God at His second coming?  Charlie

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The book of Job can make someone think.. 

Did God talked to Job? 

I am wondering what Moses has to say and what John the Baptist has to say about the book of Job. 

How the book of Job found a place together with the books of Moses and John's  book of Revelation. 

Man has his own destiny and it cannot be changed.  

God made man lower than the Angels.  

The Angels were first before the Earth and Man begins after the Earth, Man was created the six day. 

The Angels witness the creation of Adam. 

 

 

Hi Closest, 

I 100% believe God talked to Job.  Something I have never questioned.  And if God ever asks me why,  I am going to say

It is written  "Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,  Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?" and "Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said, Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it. Then Job answered the LORD, and said, Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further. Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

I believe the word of God is Perfect.  I understand the translations have a few problems but none that can't be overcome with a little guidance from the Holy Spirit, a concordance, and some translations.  

I personally believe in the 'choice' program for most.  When God says 'I set before you life and death chose life', I believe that sets the tone for how we are to approach it all.  I believe that we are called to God through His words. 

Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought Me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after Me. But to Israel He saith, All day long I have stretched forth My hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.


And though it may be debated that 1)  we are either robots following a script already written or 2) we have a choice,  though I do believe there are a few who do not.  But  the 'many called' MUST or else there would be no warnings.  There would be no commands to follow.  There would be no way to tell if the 'love' they claim is a true love for God or just a convenient way to get to the other side.



Are 'men' the sons of God?  If so, then the sons of God were watching the earth be made and shouting for joy.  That is why I believe that.  Which makes sense when we read  "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it".

Ever really ponder on God knowing Jacob and Esau and having feelings about them?  I hear it all the time, God knows everything that is going to happen....  BUT if you just READ it as written, Jacob I loved.. PAST tense.  


But OK.  Using your own words how would you/what words would you use to write these?

God knew Jacob and Esau PREVIOUS to them being placed in the womb.  

God knew what Jacob and Esau WERE GOING to do once they grew up. 

But these guys, for sure, had a destiny they were going to fulfill.  But do you believe that all those people who lived in Sodom, were just born to live and die in Sodom and never had a chance to feel like they should move?  And if so,  WHAT is the point of all this?  Is God just watching a play He wrote?  What is judgment and is God going to judge those who disobeyed and punish them, when they never had a choice not to?  I think that is why we are supposed to teach Gods word in the way God taught us.  Precept on precept, verse by verse not conclusion on conclusion of the matter.  It's like the OSAS doctrine.  Yes, it may ultimately be a truth, but no where in Gods Word do we find Him teaching it that way.  So should we?  Isn't that exactly like what Eve did.  Sure God said, but she didn't say it how God said it.  She gave it her own spin then adding just a couple words to it took Gods Truth and changed it into a lie.  God always presents two sides.  Good and Evil.  Life and Death.  Wheat and Tares.  Do and He will or Don't and He wont.  We have example after example set before us.  

Something you wrote is the reason I am asking you this next question and I am going to ask you to honestly tell me your first reaction. I think it is one of those questions that instantly gives a truth.  Can't ever go back and do it again.  

You wrote, 'The Angels were first before the Earth and Man begins after the Earth, Man was created the six day'.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?  Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;  When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

and wisdom speaking to it

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.  When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When He gave to the sea His decree, that the waters should not pass His commandment: when He appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;

Was it Light or Dark ?
 

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Nice comment.... as usual!  Does man stay that way once we are resurrected by God at His second coming?  Charlie

Hello Charlie, I have to admit that I have a hard time to get into the meaning of your post. 

* Let's give it a try.

From your post I understand that nothing happens till his second coming. Referring to Jesus Christ. 

 Then something takes place we are resurrected by God.

Does the question comes right after we are resurrected by God, which is.

" Does man stay that way"? 

Within the meaning the way man is found to be at his resurrection. 

And you must be referring to those who have died in the faith of Jesus Christ. 

*** everything in your post, every step you took, everything you consider may be challenged by asking you to support what you have posted and also by introducing scriptures to the contrary. 

I want to avoid all this, and the time when the resurrection take place and who resurrects who.

Let's start with simplicity: 

Was Jesus resurrected? This question needs a little more than a yes or no...needs a brief statement that this and this happened and now we can introduce the word resurrected, that what it means to be resurrected. 

***Jesus died on the Cross. 

Jesus descends in the place of the dead but his body remains on the earth and is put in a Tomb crafted on the side of a rock. 

After three days in the place of the dead God raised Jesus from the dead and as a result Jesus ascends from the place of the dead in the heart of the earth to where his body was in the Tomb. 

Jesus Spirit never died, only his body died and he only needed his body to become alive.  

Jesus returns to his body and he abides in his body again as it was before. 

How can your question applies to Jesus Christ. 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

22 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Hi Closest, 

I 100% believe God talked to Job.  Something I have never questioned.  And if God ever asks me why,  I am going to say

It is written  "Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,  Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?" and "Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said, Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it. Then Job answered the LORD, and said, Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further. Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

I believe the word of God is Perfect.  I understand the translations have a few problems but none that can't be overcome with a little guidance from the Holy Spirit, a concordance, and some translations.  

I personally believe in the 'choice' program for most.  When God says 'I set before you life and death chose life', I believe that sets the tone for how we are to approach it all.  I believe that we are called to God through His words. 

Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought Me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after Me. But to Israel He saith, All day long I have stretched forth My hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.


And though it may be debated that 1)  we are either robots following a script already written or 2) we have a choice,  though I do believe there are a few who do not.  But  the 'many called' MUST or else there would be no warnings.  There would be no commands to follow.  There would be no way to tell if the 'love' they claim is a true love for God or just a convenient way to get to the other side.



Are 'men' the sons of God?  If so, then the sons of God were watching the earth be made and shouting for joy.  That is why I believe that.  Which makes sense when we read  "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it".

Ever really ponder on God knowing Jacob and Esau and having feelings about them?  I hear it all the time, God knows everything that is going to happen....  BUT if you just READ it as written, Jacob I loved.. PAST tense.  


But OK.  Using your own words how would you/what words would you use to write these?

God knew Jacob and Esau PREVIOUS to them being placed in the womb.  

God knew what Jacob and Esau WERE GOING to do once they grew up. 

But these guys, for sure, had a destiny they were going to fulfill.  But do you believe that all those people who lived in Sodom, were just born to live and die in Sodom and never had a chance to feel like they should move?  And if so,  WHAT is the point of all this?  Is God just watching a play He wrote?  What is judgment and is God going to judge those who disobeyed and punish them, when they never had a choice not to?  I think that is why we are supposed to teach Gods word in the way God taught us.  Precept on precept, verse by verse not conclusion on conclusion of the matter.  It's like the OSAS doctrine.  Yes, it may ultimately be a truth, but no where in Gods Word do we find Him teaching it that way.  So should we?  Isn't that exactly like what Eve did.  Sure God said, but she didn't say it how God said it.  She gave it her own spin then adding just a couple words to it took Gods Truth and changed it into a lie.  God always presents two sides.  Good and Evil.  Life and Death.  Wheat and Tares.  Do and He will or Don't and He wont.  We have example after example set before us.  

Something you wrote is the reason I am asking you this next question and I am going to ask you to honestly tell me your first reaction. I think it is one of those questions that instantly gives a truth.  Can't ever go back and do it again.  

You wrote, 'The Angels were first before the Earth and Man begins after the Earth, Man was created the six day'.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?  Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;  When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

and wisdom speaking to it

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.  When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When He gave to the sea His decree, that the waters should not pass His commandment: when He appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;

Was it Light or Dark ?
 

Hi DeighAnn, in the case of Jesus Christ who claimed to be from God and God was in a very close relationship with him. 

That was possible because Jesus was in the Life of God and he could be in the presence of God and God can give him his presence and he can live when anyone else who may be in the presence of God dies and cannot live. 

During the Baptist of Jesus John gave the testimony that the Spirit of God went directly to Jesus and stay with him.

John's Spirit was not in the Life and the Spirit from God stay only with Jesus and John marveled for many reasons and he was happy to stay away from him, if not he will die and not lived. 

And God spoke from Heaven in the presence of witnesses and testified that Jesus is my only beloved Son in whom I am well please.

GOD gave the testimony that Jesus is in obedience to him. 

And Jesus said that the testimony of the miracles tells about me and who I am. 

God talked with Moses infront of a lot of witnesses. 

Samuel also was confirmed that God was talking to him, for everything God told him came to pass in his lifetime. 

Elijah was also speaking with God not only God speaking to him and it was confirmed by the power and the spoken miracles he did. 

There many reasons why the statement that Job heard the voice of "God from within the storm". 

We Know the testimony of Abraham and how God talked to him and what God told him was confirmed in his life and there after.

Even the thinks that Job claims that God told him we know that do not have the knowledge of the truth.

 

[Charlie744]

45 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Hello Charlie, I have to admit that I have a hard time to get into the meaning of your post. 

* Let's give it a try.

From your post I understand that nothing happens till his second coming. Referring to Jesus Christ. 

 Then something takes place we are resurrected by God.

Does the question comes right after we are resurrected by God, which is.

" Does man stay that way"? 

Within the meaning the way man is found to be at his resurrection. 

And you must be referring to those who have died in the faith of Jesus Christ. 

*** everything in your post, every step you took, everything you consider may be challenged by asking you to support what you have posted and also by introducing scriptures to the contrary. 

I want to avoid all this, and the time when the resurrection take place and who resurrects who.

Let's start with simplicity: 

Was Jesus resurrected? This question needs a little more than a yes or no...needs a brief statement that this and this happened and now we can introduce the word resurrected, that what it means to be resurrected. 

***Jesus died on the Cross. 

Jesus descends in the place of the dead but his body remains on the earth and is put in a Tomb crafted on the side of a rock. 

After three days in the place of the dead God raised Jesus from the dead and as a result Jesus ascends from the place of the dead in the heart of the earth to where his body was in the Tomb. 

Jesus Spirit never died, only his body died and he only needed his body to become alive.  

Jesus returns to his body and he abides in his body again as it was before. 

How can your question applies to Jesus Christ. 

 

Thanks for your comments!

 I don’t think my question was about Jesus. Perhaps it was just too brief to get a proper question across..

What I was asking was in response to your comment that man was made a little lower than the angels... 

I don’t know what that statement really means... in what way were we made a little lower? 

But when we die and are resurrected by God and are once again with Him then my question is, “at that time are we still lower than the angels or are we above the angels because we are made in His image?

Hope that helps, Charlie 

[Your closest friendnt]

7 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Thanks for your comments!

 I don’t think my question was about Jesus. Perhaps it was just too brief to get a proper question across..

What I was asking was in response to your comment that man was made a little lower than the angels... 

I don’t know what that statement really means... in what way were we made a little lower? 

But when we die and are resurrected by God and are once again with Him then my question is, “at that time are we still lower than the angels or are we above the angels because we are made in His image?

Hope that helps, Charlie 

Thank you for your response and your willingness to push forwards to not leave any stones unturned. 

We need to find out, we want to find out, we are not babies, but at the same time we must get hold of the strong food before our teeth fall out.

And thank you for the OP it is a must needed subject that needs to be discussed. 

Once again and in a friendly mood, we need to go through the same exercise. 

I will take the initiative to put into a parenthesis something that we need to discuss at some later time, as to focus on the question at hand. 

(But when we die and are resurrected by God and are once again with him)

then my question is at that time are we still lower than the Angels or are we above the Angels, because we are made in His image. 

***still need to work on the clarification of the question, by working on the context step by step, each step at a time.

At first you question whether or not man was made lower than the Angels and later within your question you give the reason why you believe that man was made from the beginning above the Angels and this is because Man was made "IN HIS IMAGE".

I need to bring to your attention that we are about to enter a very demanding path in our quest for the answers. 

One think that I need to point out is that you did not go further to prove your statement made within the lines that. Man at the beginning was made above the Angels and as a result he finds himself in a position above the Angels. 

The question was not if Man finds him self in a position more favorable than the position of the Angels and that been made possible because of Jesus Christ. 

That Man found himself in this favorable position only because of Cross of Jesus Christ. 

I understand the risk for taken the initiative to prove a suggestion with only a scripture and without filling the blanks. 

We do not have all the details of how God made the Angels but we still may have and I think we have enough to proceed with our expedition, or our examination. 

You did not provide thorough support to mantain an argument of your position, but in spite of that I will go on to disprove something that you have not stated but which also cannot denied. 

The Angels versus man in a manner of speech. 

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@Charlie744 and all.

The Angels versus the Man excluding the Man Jesus Christ. 

***Examining the scriptures till before the Cross we cannot say that an Angel was "destroyed" or was defeated by a Man at anytime, in some way or another that could be made possible and we have a lot of encounters of Angels with Man.