How does a "soul" (Gen. 2-7) relate to "His image" (Gen. 1:26 -27)?

[Charlie744]

3 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Thank you for your response and your willingness to push forwards to not leave any stones unturned. 

We need to find out, we want to find out, we are not babies, but at the same time we must get hold of the strong food before our teeth fall out.

And thank you for the OP it is a must needed subject that needs to be discussed. 

Once again and in a friendly mood, we need to go through the same exercise. 

I will take the initiative to put into a parenthesis something that we need to discuss at some later time, as to focus on the question at hand. 

(But when we die and are resurrected by God and are once again with him)

then my question is at that time are we still lower than the Angels or are we above the Angels, because we are made in His image. 

***still need to work on the clarification of the question, by working on the context step by step, each step at a time.

At first you question whether or not man was made lower than the Angels and later within your question you give the reason why you believe that man was made from the beginning above the Angels and this is because Man was made "IN HIS IMAGE".

I need to bring to your attention that we are about to enter a very demanding path in our quest for the answers. 

One think that I need to point out is that you did not go further to prove your statement made within the lines that. Man at the beginning was made above the Angels and as a result he finds himself in a position above the Angels. 

The question was not if Man finds him self in a position more favorable than the position of the Angels and that been made possible because of Jesus Christ. 

That Man found himself in this favorable position only because of Cross of Jesus Christ. 

I understand the risk for taken the initiative to prove a suggestion with only a scripture and without filling the blanks. 

We do not have all the details of how God made the Angels but we still may have and I think we have enough to proceed with our expedition, or our examination. 

You did not provide thorough support to mantain an argument of your position, but in spite of that I will go on to disprove something that you have not stated but which also cannot denied. 

The Angels versus man in a manner of speech. 

Thank you for responding!

I did not include my reasons why the angels are not made in His image and are therefore lower than man because I believe I already mentioned them in earlier posts and did not want to repeat them. 

Foe me, God made man in His image and not the angels, and because you indicated the opposite I asked the question, “does that change after we are resurrected”. 

Jesus was both man and God but when He came to earth was He as man lower than the angels only to he resurrected above them?

Is this the same as Adam? Was Adam, made in His image made superior to the angels only to fall? But perhaps after his resurrection we will once again be in His image?

Hope this makes sense and is clear. Best wishes always, Charlie 

[Charlie744]

6 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@Charlie744 and all.

The Angels versus the Man excluding the Man Jesus Christ. 

***Examining the scriptures till before the Cross we cannot say that an Angel was "destroyed" or was defeated by a Man at anytime, in some way or another that could be made possible and we have a lot of encounters of Angels with Man. 

I don’t believe man has any ability, duty or responsibility to defeat or destroy angels. That is only God’s duty and right. 

Both angels and man has a duty to obey and worship God and both have a choice. However, I believe only man is able to be restored back into His presence after sin. The fallen angels are not in His Plan of Salvation. 

Their time is short while those men who repent and believe in Jesus will never die.

Just my thoughts, Charlie 

[Your closest friendnt]

10 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Thank you for responding!

I did not include my reasons why the angels are not made in His image and are therefore lower than man because I believe I already mentioned them in earlier posts and did not want to repeat them. 

Foe me, God made man in His image and not the angels, and because you indicated the opposite I asked the question, “does that change after we are resurrected”. 

Jesus was both man and God but when He came to earth was He as man lower than the angels only to he resurrected above them?

Is this the same as Adam? Was Adam, made in His image made superior to the angels only to fall? But perhaps after his resurrection we will once again be in His image?

Hope this makes sense and is clear. Best wishes always, Charlie 

Brother Charlie, we need to look into a lot of things and we shall surely do.

Please we should proceed first in our examination Angels vs Man as we may understand them before the Cross first.

So please the time will come for Jesus Christ and the things after the Cross. 

We follow a discipline or not. 

I suggest that we do unless you want to set another way to follow and this is starting from after the Cross and then going backwards to earlier times till the creation of man. 

You choose and I will follow. 

[Charlie744]

2 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Brother Charlie, we need to look into a lot of things and we shall surely do.

Please we should proceed first in our examination Angels vs Man as we may understand them before the Cross first.

So please the time will come for Jesus Christ and the things after the Cross. 

We follow a discipline or not. 

I suggest that we do unless you want to set another way to follow and this is starting from after the Cross and then going backwards to earlier times till the creation of man. 

You choose and I will follow. 

No, I will follow you lead... I was just responding to your latest post. 

Charlie 

[Your closest friendnt]

Just now, Charlie744 said:

No, I will follow you lead... I was just responding to your latest post. 

Charlie 

Brother Charlie I am glad to do that and initiate the proceedings of the issues at hand.  

PS

I need to take care of my human needs and one of them is the need for food, something I believe the Angels do not have. 

Man can die without food or water but I do not think that can happen to Angels  

As a result a man can be starved to death but that cannot happen to Angels.

About man as long as he is or he co-exist together with his physical body.

And I will continue. 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

56 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Brother Charlie I am glad to do that and initiate the proceedings of the issues at hand.  

PS

I need to take care of my human needs and one of them is the need for food, something I believe the Angels do not have. 

Man can die without food or water but I do not think that can happen to Angels  

As a result a man can be starved to death but that cannot happen to Angels.

About man as long as he is or he co-exist together with his physical body.

And I will continue. 

 

In the mean time one my children called in advance to wish me Happy Father's day.

 That reminded me that I can be a dad and that can only happened while I am still in the physical and that is on Earth with the help of a wife. And that's how God made man only to be able to reproduce and not the Angels. 

This ability of man is lost with age or upon the physical death. 

Man can experience a physical death by suffocation but that can never happen to an Angel.

There is not need for oxygen for the Man after he physical dies.

His Spiritual man is not dependent on Earthly elements such as oxygen and food and temperature and other things that sustains life while man  needed to survive his life while in the physical form. 

After phycical death Man begins to live in the spiritual wherever it will be appointed for him to live. 

One of the things we should have done is to look at the Inheritance of Man versus the Inheritance of Angels. 

Beginning from the beginning till the Cross and from thereafter the Cross. 

(So far we have focus on the Angels of good standing before God, but the Fallen Angels will eventually be spoken for). 

This concerns one of your inquiries as to what was the Inheritance of man at the time before the fall. And there after till the Cross and from that point there after. 

[Still Alive]

On 4/26/2021 at 3:47 AM, Charlie744 said:

There is a current topic posted by Retrobyter entitled, "What is a soul"? that has over 76 pages of comments and responses.... so far. As with most topics, it might be possible to summarize them into a few different interpretations. And I would not be surprised to see the number of responses to generate another 20 pages or so.

I would like to suggest Gen. 1:26-27 will assist us in our understanding / interpretation of just what a soul is and why....... given that we still have more than one view.......

Thanks, Charlie

I don't know what the image has to do with it, but I simply see the "soul" as the person that occupies my meat body that we call a "human being". 

And my body with my soul controlling it is an "imager" of God. That is, he's put us in charge. As far is creation on planet earth is concerned, we ARE God. We're his agent in the same way a manager of the store IS the parent company as far as customers and employees are concerned.

My opinion is that is what is meant in the bible when it says God created us in His image.

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, Still Alive said:

I don't know what the image has to do with it, but I simply see the "soul" as the person that occupies my meat body that we call a "human being". 

And my body with my soul controlling it is an "imager" of God. That is, he's put us in charge. As far is creation on planet earth is concerned, we ARE God. We're his agent in the same way a manager of the store IS the parent company as far as customers and employees are concerned.

My opinion is that is what is meant in the bible when it says God created us in His image.

Thank you for your thoughts!

For me the definition of a “living soul” is found in Gen. 2:7 where God takes part A (dirt) plus He breathed into part A His Spirit (part B) and THIS BECOMES a “living soul”. We do not have a soul but we ARE a living soul.

The reason I tried to bring in the “image of God” into this discussion is because this term must agree with 2:7. If we look to Jesus as being in the “image of God”, then we should see the two parts also (A + B). Jesus was both body and Spirit and when He was crucified His body returned to the ground and He gave up His Spirit to God. 

Now, at our resurrection our bodies will once again be given the Spirit that was lost in the Garden - we will be fully restored to our pre-fall state. Jesus was able to resurrect Himself 3 days after the crucifixion WITH His Holy Spirit. He is revealing what we in Christ will also experience at our resurrection. Full circle!

That is why I wanted to include the “image of God” into the “what is a soul” discussion.

Hope that makes sense, Charlie 

 

[Still Alive]

35 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Thank you for your thoughts!

For me the definition of a “living soul” is found in Gen. 2:7 where God takes part A (dirt) plus He breathed into part A His Spirit (part B) and THIS BECOMES a “living soul”. We do not have a soul but we ARE a living soul.

The reason I tried to bring in the “image of God” into this discussion is because this term must agree with 2:7. If we look to Jesus as being in the “image of God”, then we should see the two parts also (A + B). Jesus was both body and Spirit and when He was crucified His body returned to the ground and He gave up His Spirit to God. 

Now, at our resurrection our bodies will once again be given the Spirit that was lost in the Garden - we will be fully restored to our pre-fall state. Jesus was able to resurrect Himself 3 days after the crucifixion WITH His Holy Spirit. He is revealing what we in Christ will also experience at our resurrection. Full circle!

That is why I wanted to include the “image of God” into the “what is a soul” discussion.

Hope that makes sense, Charlie 

 

That's pretty much the way I see it as well.

I'm going to add a weird twist as a "possiblility ONLY". That is, this is based on the idea that the writers of the various books of the bible saw the "universe" as the world they knew. I'm splitting this into two realms - physical and spiritual (heaven). And below only discusses the physical. 

Imagine the earth as the equivalent of a Wal-Mart store. We have the employees and we have a manager. The employees are the equivalent of believers in Christ. That is, we are the company to anyone who visits. We do the company's bidding and want the company to prosper. As far as the customers are concerned, we "are" Wal-mart.

The manager of the store is Jesus. To all the employees, he IS the company. 

This is just a way to create a very rough analogy to support my final point, and it relates to the vastness we now know what is the universe. And we can only see so far into it and see literally trillions of galaxies. 

My point: The earth is Wal-Mart, and it's not the only store in the chain. It is not the first, nor the last one built, nor have all of them been built yet. 

Again, this is just an hypothesis about the universe our God created and how we fit into it both now and after Jesus' return. I'm still looking for a scripture (as opposed to interpretation of scripture) that it violates.

Edited June 1, 2021 by Still Alive

[Charlie744]

2 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

That's pretty much the way I see it as well.

I'm going to add a weird twist as a "possiblility ONLY". That is, this is based on the idea that the writers of the various books of the bible saw the "universe" as the world they knew. I'm splitting this into two realms - physical and spiritual (heaven). And below only discusses the physical. 

Imagine the earth as the equivalent of a Wal-Mart store. We have the employees and we have a manager. The employees are the equivalent of believers in Christ. That is, we are the company to anyone who visits. We do the company's bidding and want the company to prosper. As far as the customers are concerned, we "are" Wal-mart.

The manager of the store is Jesus. To all the employees, he IS the company. 

This is just a way to create a very rough analogy to support my final point, and it relates to the vastness we now know what is the universe. And we can only see so far into it and see literally trillions of galaxies. 

My point: The earth is Wal-Mart, and it's not the only store in the chain. It is not the first, nor the last one built, nor have all of them been built yet. 

Again, this is just an hypothesis about the universe our God created and how we fit into it both now and after Jesus' return.

Thanks again!

 I want to make sure I understand your analogy.... are you saying there are other Walmart’s in the universe? That is, God created more planets like earth where people inhabit them?

Charlie