How does a "soul" (Gen. 2-7) relate to "His image" (Gen. 1:26 -27)?

[Still Alive]

36 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Thanks again!

 I want to make sure I understand your analogy.... are you saying there are other Walmart’s in the universe? That is, God created more planets like earth where people inhabit them?

Charlie

 

Trillions of them. The bible speaks of man on earth, and our relationship with our creator. And an interesting aspect is that the speed of light keeps us all separate, assuming he wants us to stay that way. 

Again, I'm not saying I believe this. It is an hypothesis that is based on what we know so far of the universe, and anything the bible says that supports or destroys the concept. And throw in a little quantum entanglement and the fact that matter is virtually all empty space, and it just gets fascinating.

[Charlie744]

3 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

Trillions of them. The bible speaks of man on earth, and our relationship with our creator. And an interesting aspect is that the speed of light keeps us all separate, assuming he wants us to stay that way. 

Again, I'm not saying I believe this. It is an hypothesis that is based on what we know so far of the universe, and anything the bible says that supports or destroys the concept. And throw in a little quantum entanglement and the fact that matter is virtually all empty space, and it just gets fascinating.

Well, for me, I have no doubt this is the only planet with life on it.

If you believe Genesis and the first 7 days then it will tell us exactly what and when He created everything.

In the beginning God... 

and in the end everything will be rolled up and destroyed... made new.... There will be no purpose for the stars and sins, etc. And He certainly would not destroy other planets if they were inhabited by others .

Just because there are billions and billions of planets does not mean anything other than He created them ... because He can and it is just one of His minor displays of His power.

Creating man out of dirt is far more creative and unbelievably..... 

Just my thoughts, Charlie 

[DeighAnn]

23 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The Angels were first before the Earth and Man begins after the Earth, Man was created the six day.

Hi Closest, this just came up, thought I would share and see what you thought.  

Genesis 1:26 And ELOHIM said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Elohim - one of the divine titles used of God as Creator and is used of His relationship with mankind. 

 Who was God talking to when that statement was made?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  2 The same was in the beginning with God.  3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Before there ever was an earth.


We have the earth being made, the angels all sorts of happy.  And at some point God says,

Let US make man in OUR image.  Christ is the image of God.  We don't look like Christ.  So who's 'image' are we?  
 

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:  16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:  17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.  18 And He is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the preeminence.  19 For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fulness dwell;  20 And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.


IMAGE  

6754 tselem  an image

form, image, likenesses, phantom

resemblance

and the 'living soul' part was also

breathed into animals and birds and fishes wasn't it?  

and this part of Psalm 73 might help

Psalm 73:16 When I thought to know this, it was too painful for me;

Psalm 73:17 Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.

Psalm 73:18 Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction.

Psalm 73:19 How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors.

Psalm 73:20 As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.

Psalm 73:21 Thus my heart was grieved, and I was pricked in my reins.


So what do you think?  D

 

[Your closest friendnt]

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Hi Closest, this just came up, thought I would share and see what you thought.  

Genesis 1:26 And ELOHIM said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Elohim - one of the divine titles used of God as Creator and is used of His relationship with mankind. 

 Who was God talking to when that statement was made?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  2 The same was in the beginning with God.  3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Before there ever was an earth.


We have the earth being made, the angels all sorts of happy.  And at some point God says,

Let US make man in OUR image.  Christ is the image of God.  We don't look like Christ.  So who's 'image' are we?  
 

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:  16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:  17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.  18 And He is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the preeminence.  19 For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fulness dwell;  20 And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.


IMAGE  

6754 tselem  an image

form, image, likenesses, phantom

resemblance

and the 'living soul' part was also

breathed into animals and birds and fishes wasn't it?  

and this part of Psalm 73 might help

Psalm 73:16 When I thought to know this, it was too painful for me;

Psalm 73:17 Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.

Psalm 73:18 Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction.

Psalm 73:19 How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors.

Psalm 73:20 As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.

Psalm 73:21 Thus my heart was grieved, and I was pricked in my reins.


So what do you think?  D

 

Hi DeighAnn, I read your post more than once and every time I get a better grasp of it.

John and the other disciples had come to understand something and this can be echoed in what Thomas said: "MY LORD and MY GOD". 

It was not easy for the disciples who were Israelites and were born and raised under the Law of Moses and in the Sina Covenant with the Lord God of Abraham as their God and their Lord. Who had declare through out the times that he is God the Creator we read in Genesis who created the first Man Adam.

And he is the one and the disciples will point to Jesus who after he made man he breath into his nostrils and made him different than the other reation (in the group of mammals), which give birth to their offsprings and breast feed them.

Only Man he made a soul that lives forever.

He made man "a living soul", a soul that lives forever at first in this body of flesh as we understand the physical body so he can live and relate and be subject to the phycical world. 

And because man is "a living soul" he continues to live without his physical body forever after his physical body dies. 

Everyone is acounded for.

All mankind is accoundable to their creator 

The animal Kingdom is not accounted for the way man is.

He Created Man a living soul, God did not breath into animals the breath of Life but only to Adam. And he made Eve in a different way than Adam and we have the the first couple. 

God lives forever and Man lives forever first in his phycical body and then without his physical body.

This is one attribute that makes man different of all other phycical creations.

One that man is made in the image of God. 

Later on God said to man: "let us reason together".

God made man in away that he can reason.

This is another attribute, God can reason and made man to reason. 

Man can reason with him self and with others, man can communicate and man can create. This is another attribute of God making man in his image.

Man can pre-think and make a blueprint of what he plans to do even a blue print in his mind and consider the pros and cons, this is also an attribute that is found in God.

And he put man in the Garden.

Eve got her Life from Adam.

Both Adam and Eve did not experience living in the womb, or the life in the womb and they did not have the birth experience and mother experience. 

They must have something else to make it up, they experience the life in the Garden. 

That was their first environment and then with the fall they come out of the Garden, into the world of their time and that's where Caine and Abel were born.

The other children of Adam and Eve were borned in a different world than Caine and Abel in the world after the murder of Abel. 

It is not easy to find the proper words to describe something and escape the scrutiny of others who are trying to put their meaning into your own words. 

Step by step...if not we will be overwhelm and may need an alcasheger. (a digestive), which it is that man must figure something out to make things move and continue the flow.

This is what I can say. I had scriptural context in my mind but if there is something that needs to be revisited, then LET'S REASON IT OUT TOGETHER. 

Or at times we should think about other things and take a break from it all to avoid mental stress and fatigue. 

We should work the ground...do some spring cleaning, if we our duties to our self and others allowed the time and we should make a little bit time. 

Stress can be both our enemy and our friend at the same time. 

Example one; we do not want to get up fro  the bed at times, but when we are stress for the need to go to washroom we run. 

 

God  loves us is helping us, in the name of Jesus. 

I said in the name of Jesus because we know we have God because we are in Jesus Christ his Son.  

Edited June 2, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

When God was about to make man and he said: 

Let's make man in our image..

That is telling us to make man it was not a random act conceived in the siege of the moment or a wild thought.

It was something well thought and plan for between God the Father and God the Creator.   

Everything was done according to their plan, according to their blueprint and then everything was put in place and that was the right time to make man. 

The whole Heavens knew and was waiting for that moment, if not why God was doing all those things and were putting all things in place? Was not for a moment like this. 

This desition it was not his and his alone. He was given the mandate to do the Creation but all things originate from God the Father who sent the Word who is also God as he came from God John 1:1, 

and was sent to make the Creation and the Creation of man.

And the right time came to say ;

this is the moment to make man.

And the Heavens were spellbound. 

We have the Son and the Father. John 1:1 , 

The Son , the Word who is also God who  created man and at the time of the Creation and even before while still planning God knew that one day he will look the man he created, that him self will have a body of flesh like Adam and walk the earth in the flesh just like Adam or any other Man.

Moses told the Israelites that he will be from you and that he will be like you and that they will not know it. 

When God in his Judgment said "the seed of the woman....." he knew that he was talking about himself. 

He knew that he will be born from a woman and enter our phycical world and that he would suffer death on the Cross and thus redeemed man from the Devil unto himself and give him a righteousness, in his name. 

Because after Adam lost the Life of God He was the only one left with the life of God. 

Jesus Christ said "I am the LIFE", the only one with the LIFE, it has to be me and no one else 

Only I can give Life to man. 

But this time is going to be  in my name done by adaptation through faith at the Cross, that's why Jesus Christ said "if I do not die nothing can be acoblish.

This is done so when the man in Jesus Christ sins he continues to remain in God, in the righteousness of Jesus Christ by faith and not in his own righteousness.

That's what we have in the Cross of Jesus Christ .

EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS 

The righteousness of Jesus Christ  

Edited June 2, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Charlie744]

18 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Well, for me, I have no doubt this is the only planet with life on it.

If you believe Genesis and the first 7 days then it will tell us exactly what and when He created everything.

In the beginning God... 

and in the end everything will be rolled up and destroyed... made new.... There will be no purpose for the stars and sins, etc. And He certainly would not destroy other planets if they were inhabited by others .

Just because there are billions and billions of planets does not mean anything other than He created them ... because He can and it is just one of His minor displays of His power.

Creating man out of dirt is far more creative and unbelievably..... 

Just my thoughts, Charlie 

@Still Alive... just wanted to mention a small thing in relation to your comment about life out there in the universe......For some reason man seems to think that because the universe is so large it must have the possibility for millions of planets and systems that can hold life  - as we know it, there must have life out there. In other words, size matters.

Here is how I tend to look at this: God created the earth and our solar system which we are familiar with....He included our small solar system within the Milky Way.... which of course is just one of billions. It may have taken God one second to speak all of this into existence.... so why should He not simply take another one second and make it reach to infinity?

In other words, He could and most likely did take the same amount of time and effort to make the entire infinite universe (infinity) as it would to make the earth. Size doesn't matter here. 

Jokingly: God makes the earth, then He decides to make our solar system. No, that doesn't seem big enough, I am going to create the Milky Way.... No, I should go a little bigger... it is going to take some more time but they (mankind) will appreciate my efforts. You know, let's really impress these folks, let's make a million of these large systems.....No, a little bigger, more...... yea, that seems about right.... No, one more nudge ought to do it... there... it is a billion light years in circumference..... I think I am done here.... No, still doesn't seem quite right... lets' double that... no, let's quadruple that... yea, that will work.... I am done here... 

Or perhaps God simply spoke "be" and a truly infinite universe was....

Just my thoughts, Charlie

                

[Still Alive]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

@Still Alive... just wanted to mention a small thing in relation to your comment about life out there in the universe......For some reason man seems to think that because the universe is so large it must have the possibility for millions of planets and systems that can hold life  - as we know it, there must have life out there. In other words, size matters.

Here is how I tend to look at this: God created the earth and our solar system which we are familiar with....He included our small solar system within the Milky Way.... which of course is just one of billions. It may have taken God one second to speak all of this into existence.... so why should He not simply take another one second and make it reach to infinity?

In other words, He could and most likely did take the same amount of time and effort to make the entire infinite universe (infinity) as it would to make the earth. Size doesn't matter here. 

Jokingly: God makes the earth, then He decides to make our solar system. No, that doesn't seem big enough, I am going to create the Milky Way.... No, I should go a little bigger... it is going to take some more time but they (mankind) will appreciate my efforts. You know, let's really impress these folks, let's make a million of these large systems.....No, a little bigger, more...... yea, that seems about right.... No, one more nudge ought to do it... there... it is a billion light years in circumference..... I think I am done here.... No, still doesn't seem quite right... lets' double that... no, let's quadruple that... yea, that will work.... I am done here... 

Or perhaps God simply spoke "be" and a truly infinite universe was....

Just my thoughts, Charlie

                

I can't argue with any of that. My point is that all that stuff must exist for a reason, if only because it was created by a personality (God) that does nothing without a purpose. And if there are trillions of inhabited planets, I believe it is because God created the inhabitants. 

Now that I think about it, even C.S. Lewis explored this in two of his science fiction books. In one, the intelligent beings on Mars were surviving on a planet that was quickly reaching its end. In the other, Venus was just getting started in it's "Garden of eden" beginnings. I'm just applying this to the entire universe.

[DeighAnn]

12 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Hi DeighAnn, I read your post more than once and every time I get a better grasp of it.

John and the other disciples had come to understand something and this can be echoed in what Thomas said: "MY LORD and MY GOD". 

It was not easy for the disciples who were Israelites and were born and raised under the Law of Moses and in the Sina Covenant with the Lord God of Abraham as their God and their Lord. Who had declare through out the times that he is God the Creator we read in Genesis who created the first Man Adam.

And he is the one and the disciples will point to Jesus who after he made man he breath into his nostrils and made him different than the other reation (in the group of mammals), which give birth to their offsprings and breast feed them.

Only Man he made a soul that lives forever.

He made man "a living soul", a soul that lives forever at first in this body of flesh as we understand the physical body so he can live and relate and be subject to the phycical world. 

And because man is "a living soul" he continues to live without his physical body forever after his physical body dies. 

Everyone is acounded for.

All mankind is accoundable to their creator 

The animal Kingdom is not accounted for the way man is.

He Created Man a living soul, God did not breath into animals the breath of Life but only to Adam. And he made Eve in a different way than Adam and we have the the first couple. 

God lives forever and Man lives forever first in his phycical body and then without his physical body.

This is one attribute that makes man different of all other phycical creations.

One that man is made in the image of God. 

Later on God said to man: "let us reason together".

God made man in away that he can reason.

This is another attribute, God can reason and made man to reason. 

Man can reason with him self and with others, man can communicate and man can create. This is another attribute of God making man in his image.

Man can pre-think and make a blueprint of what he plans to do even a blue print in his mind and consider the pros and cons, this is also an attribute that is found in God.

And he put man in the Garden.

Eve got her Life from Adam.

Both Adam and Eve did not experience living in the womb, or the life in the womb and they did not have the birth experience and mother experience. 

They must have something else to make it up, they experience the life in the Garden. 

That was their first environment and then with the fall they come out of the Garden, into the world of their time and that's where Caine and Abel were born.

The other children of Adam and Eve were borned in a different world than Caine and Abel in the world after the murder of Abel. 

It is not easy to find the proper words to describe something and escape the scrutiny of others who are trying to put their meaning into your own words. 

Step by step...if not we will be overwhelm and may need an alcasheger. (a digestive), which it is that man must figure something out to make things move and continue the flow.

This is what I can say. I had scriptural context in my mind but if there is something that needs to be revisited, then LET'S REASON IT OUT TOGETHER. 

Or at times we should think about other things and take a break from it all to avoid mental stress and fatigue. 

We should work the ground...do some spring cleaning, if we our duties to our self and others allowed the time and we should make a little bit time. 

Stress can be both our enemy and our friend at the same time. 

Example one; we do not want to get up fro  the bed at times, but when we are stress for the need to go to washroom we run. 

 

God  loves us is helping us, in the name of Jesus. 

I said in the name of Jesus because we know we have God because we are in Jesus Christ his Son.  

Hi Closest, 
Thank you for the good points made here, appreciated.  I think my question may have slipped past though,  

Who was God talking to when that statement (Let Us) was made?  Thank you

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

@Still Alive... just wanted to mention a small thing in relation to your comment about life out there in the universe......For some reason man seems to think that because the universe is so large it must have the possibility for millions of planets and systems that can hold life  - as we know it, there must have life out there. In other words, size matters.

Here is how I tend to look at this: God created the earth and our solar system which we are familiar with....He included our small solar system within the Milky Way.... which of course is just one of billions. It may have taken God one second to speak all of this into existence.... so why should He not simply take another one second and make it reach to infinity?

In other words, He could and most likely did take the same amount of time and effort to make the entire infinite universe (infinity) as it would to make the earth. Size doesn't matter here. 

Jokingly: God makes the earth, then He decides to make our solar system. No, that doesn't seem big enough, I am going to create the Milky Way.... No, I should go a little bigger... it is going to take some more time but they (mankind) will appreciate my efforts. You know, let's really impress these folks, let's make a million of these large systems.....No, a little bigger, more...... yea, that seems about right.... No, one more nudge ought to do it... there... it is a billion light years in circumference..... I think I am done here.... No, still doesn't seem quite right... lets' double that... no, let's quadruple that... yea, that will work.... I am done here... 

Or perhaps God simply spoke "be" and a truly infinite universe was....

Just my thoughts, Charlie

                

Hi Charlie,  I like to think of it as a 'lab' of sorts for all the 'elements' needed for the different projects He took on.  I thought the other day about taking a bit of food and what all it involved.  Just taking that one little thing into account made me stagger at ALL the systems that everything employs.  Lets me know I know nothing but I sure have more admiration (if that's possible) for all His works.  D

[Markie51]

On 4/26/2021 at 3:47 AM, Charlie744 said:

There is a current topic posted by Retrobyter entitled, "What is a soul"? that has over 76 pages of comments and responses.... so far. As with most topics, it might be possible to summarize them into a few different interpretations. And I would not be surprised to see the number of responses to generate another 20 pages or so.

I would like to suggest Gen. 1:26-27 will assist us in our understanding / interpretation of just what a soul is and why....... given that we still have more than one view.......

Thanks, Charlie

Many believe that what makes man different from the animals is that man has a soul but the animals do not.  However, Genesis 1:20 and 30 says that God created “living souls” to live in the waters, and that the animals have “life as a soul.”  In these verses some Bibles use the words “creature” and “life” instead of “soul,” but their marginal readings agree that the word “soul” is what appears in the original language. 

      The Bible was originally written mainly in Hebrew and Greek.  When writing about the soul, the Bible writers used the Hebrew word ne'phesh or the Greek word psy·khe'.  These two words occur well over 800 times in the Scriptures.  When you examine the way “soul” or “souls” is used in the Bible, it becomes evident that this word basically refers to (1) people, (2) animals, or (3) the life that a person or an animal enjoys.  In other words, it is not that we have a soul, but that we are a soul. 

Consider how the word "soul" is used in these scriptures: Psalms 11:5; 24:4; Isaiah 1:14; 42:1; Jeremiah 12:7; 14:19; 32:41; Matthew 12:16; Hebrews 10:38.