Some Bible Stories as Representative

[Amigo42]

30 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

I’d like to see day 4 and day 3 genesis 1 get switched back but no one will dare ? 

Interesting.  I'm not familiar with this.

[BeyondET]

49 minutes ago, Amigo42 said:

Interesting.  I'm not familiar with this.

It is something I have mentioned don’t know if anybody else has but if you read day 4 right after day 2 then 3 5,6 it’s about as smooth as it gets. There is no questioning how plants grow with no sun light etc. and the flow is spot on. And it just so happens evening and morning on some days are a verse by them selves.

the order is in older versions before numbering system I know but I don’t think God would confound the mind to prove His power in a explanation on creation. Don’t know since it’s OT writing could be a writing placement error long ago.

day 2 ends with the expanse being created day 4 starts with light being placed in the expanse.

The Second Day

6And God said, “Let there be an expanse between the waters, to separate the waters from the waters.” 7So God made the expanse and separated the waters beneath it from the waters above. And it was so.8God called the expanse “sky.” 

And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

The Fourth Day

14And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years. 15And let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth.” And it was so.

16God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. And He made the stars as well.

17God set these lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth,18to preside over the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

The Third Day

9And God said, “Let the waters under the sky be gathered into one place, so that the dry land may appear.” And it was so. 10God called the dry land “earth,” and the gathering of waters He called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth vegetation: seed-bearing plants and fruit trees, each bearing fruit with seed according to its kind.” And it was so. 12The earth produced vegetation: seed-bearing plants according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

Edited May 3, 2021 by BeyondET

[David1701]

41 minutes ago, Amigo42 said:

This may very well be realistic.  However, my point is that it's not really that important in the grand scheme of God's plan.  What if the truth is that it was just an error that a later scribe decided to correct.  I don't know.  Maybe not.  This is just a possibility.  If it were determined that it was a genuine error, would that cause doubt in a Christian's mind about the veracity of the entire Bible?  My point is that it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other.  It shouldn't be that way.

Do you believe that the Bible is God-breathed?

[Amigo42]

28 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

It is something I have mentioned don’t know if anybody else has but if you read day 4 right after day 2 then 3 5,6 it’s about as smooth as it gets. There is no questioning how plants grow with no sun light etc. and the flow is spot on. And it just so happens evening and morning on some days are a verse by them selves.

the order is in older versions before numbering system I know but I don’t think God would confound the mind to prove His power in a explanation on creation. Don’t know since it’s OT writing could be a writing placement error long ago.

day 2 ends with the expanse being created day 4 starts with light being placed in the expanse.

The Second Day

6And God said, “Let there be an expanse between the waters, to separate the waters from the waters.” 7So God made the expanse and separated the waters beneath it from the waters above. And it was so.8God called the expanse “sky.” 

And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

The Fourth Day

14And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years. 15And let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth.” And it was so.

16God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. And He made the stars as well.

17God set these lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth,18to preside over the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

The Third Day

9And God said, “Let the waters under the sky be gathered into one place, so that the dry land may appear.” And it was so. 10God called the dry land “earth,” and the gathering of waters He called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth vegetation: seed-bearing plants and fruit trees, each bearing fruit with seed according to its kind.” And it was so. 12The earth produced vegetation: seed-bearing plants according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

 

Thank you for providing this information.  There's always so much we're learning about the Word and its truth.  Maybe in later versions, it was reorganized for the logic and clarity.  More than likely priestly scribes wrote much of the OT after years of oral tradition.  I believe that Moses or his followers also wrote most or much of it.  The OT was scrupulously written and copied over centuries by priestly scribes who were devoted to such work.  Sometimes this was after centuries of oral tradition which was then written down.  

 

[Amigo42]

26 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Do you believe that the Bible is God-breathed?

If by God-breathed you mean, the Spirit of God inspired those who wrote the Bible, then yes I certainly agree.  However, God created us humans and all life with his own very hands, and look at how imperfect and corrupted humans have become.  Humans who were created perfect die, get sick, in some cases born with defect and deficiencies, and a litany of other ills of humanity due to disease of sin.  So, if perfectly created humans that were created by God's very hands have corruption, then anything that humans physically touch can be in error or corrupted in some way shape, or, form regardless of apparently inconsequential.  

I say all this to say that only God knows if there any genuine "errors" in the scriptures.  I don't think God want us to get weighed down with these details.  

[BeyondET]

1 hour ago, Amigo42 said:

 

Thank you for providing this information.  There's always so much we're learning about the Word and its truth.  Maybe in later versions, it was reorganized for the logic and clarity.  More than likely priestly scribes wrote much of the OT after years of oral tradition.  I believe that Moses or his followers also wrote most or much of it.  The OT was scrupulously written and copied over centuries by priestly scribes who were devoted to such work.  Sometimes this was after centuries of oral tradition which was then written down.  

 

It might even been inspired to be that way, as message of sorts that not everything is in exact order in the whole Bible. The four gospels is a good example. What better place but from right from the beginning to present a order that clearly defy’s logical sense. teaching right out the gate to pay attention many hands has the word passed through many different languages.

And possibly another message within it, to watch out for the vast amount of reasons why plants can grow without sun light. there are many reasons for explaining hard answers but some get out there.

And I include my own reason for the switch up, it might only make sense to me and no one else ? 

Edited May 3, 2021 by BeyondET

[David1701]

2 hours ago, Amigo42 said:

If by God-breathed you mean, the Spirit of God inspired those who wrote the Bible, then yes I certainly agree.  However, God created us humans and all life with his own very hands, and look at how imperfect and corrupted humans have become.  Humans who were created perfect die, get sick, in some cases born with defect and deficiencies, and a litany of other ills of humanity due to disease of sin.  So, if perfectly created humans that were created by God's very hands have corruption, then anything that humans physically touch can be in error or corrupted in some way shape, or, form regardless of apparently inconsequential.  

I say all this to say that only God knows if there any genuine "errors" in the scriptures.  I don't think God want us to get weighed down with these details.  

Do you believe that was God was able and willing to breath out the Bible, so that it was free from error?  In other words, the Bible's inerrancy depends upon God, not man.

[Waggles]

5 hours ago, Amigo42 said:

Honestly, whether Christian scribes added clarification to the end of Mark years after it was written doesn't necessarily bother me especially if they had special insight.  Maybe they knew eyewitnesses and felt the need to provide additional insight.  I mean in those days, I'm not sure that was considered that controversial to them.  Also, the entire Bible more than likely has several of these scribal clarifications including the OT.  I don't think it's controversial if done in good faith.  

You are missing the truth of why scripture is scripture 

Mark 16:15-20 is not an optional extra added by any scribe or disciple - it is the word of God unto salvation. 

How can their be judgement before Jesus against the word of God if scriptures are in doubt?? The Law is the Law and the commandments of Jesus are the commandments of Jesus. 

Matthew 7:24  "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock.  
7:26  And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 

[Amigo42]

17 hours ago, David1701 said:

Do you believe that was God was able and willing to breath out the Bible, so that it was free from error?  In other words, the Bible's inerrancy depends upon God, not man

Absolutely!  I do believe that he can, but I do not believe this is what he did.  I believe he allowed some degree of imperfection to shows our trust in Him and not simply in words written or spoken.

[Amigo42]

Here's another question.  Is the story of Adam and Eve literally or representative of God's creation of humans.  The word Adam means mankind or father of mankind.  Maybe the story is a symbol of God's creation of man.  Just a thought.  I don't know.  How do we know if it was meant to be literal?  We don't know the full context under which it was written.  I've heard that the genesis story was a rebuttal of the pagan creation models.  In other words, it may have been to show the way of the one true God.  At the same time, maybe the story is 100% literal.  I take from the story the overall message of the message of God's creation power.