Intellectualism

[Hopefully]

1 hour ago, Whyme said:

Is that what verse 6 means?

 Verse 6 by itself says:

“These sayings will help you understand proverbs, stories with hidden meanings, words of the wise, and other difficult sayings.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭1:6‬ ‭ERV‬‬

or if you prefer KJV

“To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭1:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the entire passage says it will make even those without education smart and can make the wise wiser. That is why I posted it here because it seems to me to be on topic.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Hopefully

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

An Spirit-led, word-informed intellectual does not rely on his/her own understanding. They have sufficient capacity of reason and understanding to know not to do so. 

Only if the Lord is pleased to give that light to their understanding, brother.  And that's why to Him be the glory, not to man. 

[Heleadethme]

32 minutes ago, Josheb said:

I believe I already addressed that when saying a true spiritually-regenerate, word-informed, Spirit-led intellectual possesses sufficient faculties of reason and understanding to know s/he cannot and should not rely on self alone. It therefore does NOT boil down to what we are placing our reliance in because those who place their reliance  on their own faculties, their flesh, are not actually intellectuals. They are faux. I'm pretty sure it does not take an intellectual to understand these truths . 

Once again I would have to give glory where glory is due and say it is grace that teaches us to rely on God and not to rely on ourselves.  And scripture says we need to first become a fool in order to become wise...we need to become poor in spirit enough to realize our lack and insufficiency of ourselves.  That's a work of God and His grace operating in our lives, in our hearts, it's not of our own faculties of reason which apart from the Lord remains in darkness. 

There are true and sound reasons why we will lay our crowns at His feet.....because Jesus is truly the only one who is worthy of them.  It's truly only due to Him that we have anything worthwhile or that we are able to serve Him or grow in Him or get to be counted worthy.

Rom 1:21

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 11:10

Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

Eph 4:18

Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart

 

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[Guest clancy]

Only the Holy Spirit can lead you through the understanding of the Bible.

You Do zilch, God does it all, he gets all of the Glory...you cannot understand the Bible without the Holy Spirit leading you through it...

My Belief.

[Riverwalker]

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

An Spirit-led, word-informed intellectual does not rely on his/her own understanding. They have sufficient capacity of reason and understanding to know not to do so. 

I did not intimate that we should not use reason, Just that we should not rely om what it as best a faulty and incomplete tool for dissecting and discerning  the nature of God

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[Whyme]

1 hour ago, Riverwalker said:

I did not intimate that we should not use reason, Just that we should not rely om what it as best a faulty and incomplete tool for dissecting and discerning  the nature of God

Which brings us to the Spirit. What are Spirit taught words?

 

1 Co 2:10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.[c

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[Riverwalker]

4 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Which brings us to the Spirit. What are Spirit taught words?

 

1 Co 2:10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.[c

Interesting translation

1 Cor2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the [d]Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual NKJV

Which to me correlates to 

John 14: 26 But the [Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

 

[Whyme]

17 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

Which to me correlates to 

John 14: 26 But the [Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

 

That makes sense.

[teddyv]

Just a minor point:

I was just noting that the thread title is "Intellectualism", which (to me) implies a philosophical position elevating the intellect. Much of the discussion has not really revolved around that matter and I get the impression that may not have been the intent anyway.

[appy]

On 5/5/2021 at 5:04 PM, Whyme said:

Does one need to be an intellectual to understand Gods word? Thank you.

1 Corinthians 1:18-25
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
    the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

1 Corinthians 1:27,28
27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,