Intellectualism

[Whyme]

Yes i use to listen to preachers on TV, until i searched scripture and found many of them to be fallible. They made me ignorant not wise or understanding. Then i came online and learned about Catholicism and every other ism, and found out that i dont need all that flawed doctrine. I found Jesus, in my heart. That's enough for me.

Edited May 9, 2021 by Whyme

[Whyme]

A real teacher points you to Christ not themselves. What did Paul say? Imitate me because i imitate Christ. They are happy to see someone who doesn't need them anymore, who is not like a new born babe needing milk. See John, he was happy that his flock "walked in the truth". They are happy to see a mature student who learned to follow Christ in the grace of God. What are we? Babies who need a teacher for the rest of our lives? People see Paul calling himself a father and they think they need a father. But Paul called himself a father to the Corinthians because he could not address them as spiritual people, but rather babes in Christ. Is not the point of a student to become like their teacher? If the student doesnt grow up the teaching must be flawed. Perhaps because it puts too much emphasis on following men rather than the Lord.

[Guest clancy]

26 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Making the topic about the poster not the topic i see. Well bro, I dont need those things. You are basically telling me i need RCC, EO, SDA, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Methodist, prosperity preachers, WOF, Baptists, and all the words they teach. Sorry bro but i dont think i need them. I have a blessed simplicity in Christ that God gave me. I know his commands and He helps me daily. The sad part is you dont acknowledge that i have found Christ. To you i need what you have, books and theories and arguments and all that, as if following Christ requires a theology degree. Im happy and feel very blessed to find freedom and simplicity in Christ. I do have fellowship with other Christians and learn in that way, but you have not acknowledged that either.

Not getting involved in your message hear to Josheb.

 

Just to say I have a very simple faith ,a  close intimate relationship with Christ and of course my Bible, too many books that I bought in the past only confused me....so it’s just....

 

Jesus, number one, then Bible and clancy, of course fellowship, I listen, but don’t always take on board what is being said.

 

The Holy Spirit is my leader and teacher.

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[Whyme]

16 minutes ago, Josheb said:

 

I could have mentioned the fact that you've acknowledged you are a forty-year old believe who has to learn humility. I could mention a bunch of stuff you've posted about yourself in the forum

 

 

 

I dont remember admitting that. Im actually humbled by my faults. Im haunted by them in fact. I have nothing to be proud of. As far as admitting my faults, that just shows the Lord leads me and i need no teacher. Thank you,.

[Whyme]

17 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Let me recommend J. I. Packer's "Knowing God". It might help in understanding televangelists were always a poor place for learning and should never be the measure of all others. 

And no one - no one in the entire three months you have been here - has ever been critical of the sufficiency of Christ for you. 

 

What has been disputed is a whole bunch of other stuff you conflate with having Jesus in your heart. On this particular occasion we're discussing the necessaity of intellectuals and much of what I have posted you have commended.  The posted facts are in fact correct and true.

 

So why the sudden conflict?

What conflict? I dont need the book, i learned from the scriptures. Why are you always trying to push books on me?

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What has been disputed is a whole bunch of other stuff you conflate with having Jesus in your heart.

Like what?

[Alive]

Can anybody show me in scripture where it is shown that all we need is the HS to teach us?

That He doesn't use other brethren in various context to say or write a thing that the HS would then shine a light on?

Every individual that I have known who believed that ended in error or worse--standing alone is fraught with much danger.

The truth of this early on became very evident and reenforced time and again over the years.

[Whyme]

 

12 minutes ago, Alive said:

Can anybody show me in scripture where it is shown that all we need is the HS to teach us?

That He doesn't use other brethren in various context to say or write a thing that the HS would then shine a light on?

Every individual that I have known who believed that ended in error or worse--standing alone is fraught with much danger.

The truth of this early on became very evident and reenforced time and again over the years.

When i say that all is needed is the HS, i am referring to good fellowship too, where we can discuss scripture and have open minds and hearts, learning from whatever truth is spoken. However, In all my debates ive had over the years i actually have learned nothing. I had many law verses grace debates which helped me concentrate on grace i suppose, but a simple reading of scripture can do that too, matter of fact in the debates it was scripture i listened to. But what did i learn? I guess i formed my beliefs on sabbath because of debates, but really thats about it. Everything i know came from me asking God, searching for truth and wisdom. What does James say? If anyone needs wisdom ask God for it. I believe in Spirit and scripture. I dont really get into theological debates without answers although i ask difficult questions at times, just seeking fellowship.

Edited May 9, 2021 by Whyme

[Alive]

4 minutes ago, Josheb said:

The salient point is this and only this: This op was posted by a person who believes all that is needed is the Bible and the Spirit and not other extra-biblical sources. 

 

Is that statement true or not?

If I may answer this?

I would venture to say that it is true for some and not so true for others. We are each in His capable hands and He will use what tools He desires to accomplish His will.

[Whyme]

3 minutes ago, Josheb said:

The salient point is this and only this: This op was posted by a person who believes all that is needed is the Bible and the Spirit and not other extra-biblical sources. 

 

Is that statement true or not?

Thats not exactly what i mean. You do a lot of examining of others but why dont you answer questions? I asked you a question in this thread after you accused me, i asked you to clarify but you havent, unless i missed it. I asked a question in another thread you never answered. Its still there, im the last post, but no reply from you.

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Let's make sure that is in fact what the post believes. Let's get it on record. Once there there should be no further disagreement anywhere at anytime that is in fact the position held. Once that is established we can discuss the veracity of the position. The reason this is important is because discussing condition not-existing is a red herring and I doubt any of us wish to be contributing in any way to any discussion of any red herring. 

 

It has been stated, "Well bro, I don't need those things." It has also been stated, "I found Jesus, in my heart. That's enough for me." And it has been stated, "A real teacher points you to Christ not themselves," which is a curious statement to post if the veracious and valid existence of teachers outside the Bible is denied. Many other statements have been posted and they should all be understood within the context of "I don't need those things." 

 

So let's make sure the poster means what he posts before proceeding. Everyone reading the posts knows what this means. It does not take an intellectual . It is op-relevant. 

 

So @Whyme, would you mind, once more telling everyone what has already been stated: you believe you have no need for any extra-biblical source? 
 

I agree.