Intellectualism

[Whyme]

3 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Let's make sure that is in fact what the post believes. Let's get it on record. Once there there should be no further disagreement anywhere at anytime that is in fact the position held. Once that is established we can discuss the veracity of the position. The reason this is important is because discussing condition not-existing is a red herring and I doubt any of us wish to be contributing in any way to any discussion of any red herring. 

 

It has been stated, "Well bro, I don't need those things." It has also been stated, "I found Jesus, in my heart. That's enough for me." And it has been stated, "A real teacher points you to Christ not themselves," which is a curious statement to post if the veracious and valid existence of teachers outside the Bible is denied. Many other statements have been posted and they should all be understood within the context of "I don't need those things." 

 

So let's make sure the poster means what he posts before proceeding. Everyone reading the posts knows what this means. It does not take an intellectual . It is op-relevant. 

 

So @Whyme, would you mind, once more telling everyone what has already been stated: you believe you have no need for any extra-biblical source? 
 

Define extra biblical source and tell me why i need it, then i'll answer.

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, Josheb said:

This is partly correct. 

The problem is that of broad, over-generalized or sweeping views and claims. The Church, for example, has long held that the Bible is sole, authoritative source for faith and practice. That is not the same as saying the Bible alone is sufficient for understanding ancient cultures, history, or their contexts. Most folks would agree other sources are not only needed but necessary..... no matter how imperfect they may be. Furthermore, the dissent against extra-biblical sources is established by extremes: televangelists and Popes, which most of us ignore and do not consider valid or veracious - especially not apart from infallible scripture.

So the claim of Word and Spirit alone in the context of this op on intelectuals, intellect, and intellectualism is a matter filled with many specific constituent elements that should NOT be covered in a single broad, over-generalized "rule" that is based on examples of the extremes. 

Nevertheless, and considering those points you mention, my succinct reply is correct.

Operative word is 'NEED". Of course one could work on defining the parameters involving 'NEED". In the end of that exercise, we would still be left with some need and some notso much.

LOL

[Whyme]

1 hour ago, clancy said:

Not getting involved in your message hear to Josheb.

 

Just to say I have a very simple faith ,a  close intimate relationship with Christ and of course my Bible, too many books that I bought in the past only confused me....so it’s just....

 

Jesus, number one, then Bible and clancy, of course fellowship, I listen, but don’t always take on board what is being said.

 

The Holy Spirit is my leader and teacher.

A teacher cant see into your heart or put wisdom there. It cant discern the heart as the Word does. That's why James says to ask God for wisdom. Only God can write on our heart.

 

Edited May 9, 2021 by Whyme

[Whyme]

2 minutes ago, Josheb said:

This is a self-defining term. An extra-biblical source is any source extra to the Bible, any source outside the Bible, any source in addition to the Bible. AND to be accurate and not misrepresented I have often and repeatedly included the Holy Spirit. You claim, and this op is based upon, the belief all you need is the Bible and the Holy Spirit and not any extra-biblical source(s). 

AND..... There should not be any disagreement, dispute, or debate about this being your position. You have often, in many ways, and in many places stated that position and all anyone has to do to verify that fact is go to your profile page and peruse your history. 

Nope. I will not digress from the matter at hand. Others may entertain tangents and digressions but I do not and will not. I prefer to establish common ground and work from there either building greater common ground or understanding our differences in the context of and in consequence of that established common ground. 

 

So..... if you don't mind stop making the conversation about yourself and simply acknowledge they position held: all that is needed is the Bible and the Holy Spirit and nothing else including intellectuals. 

 

Just say it. 

 

And if that's not your position then do please clarify it so EVERYONE reading the posts might accurately understand the context of this op. Create agreement. 

If i debate atheists or Muslims i could benefit from as much education as i can get. But i dont. I fellowship in the Spirit. I have no need to debate such people. But what extra biblical source is needed for following Christ? Please tell me.

[Whyme]

5 minutes ago, Chicken coop2 said:

I'm very confused about your saying over and over that you don't need a teacher due to the fact that you keep starting threads asking questions as if you are wanting people to teach you things by answering your questions. 

                 

This topic is not about me and other threads. But to answer you, i seek answers from the Spirit, but mostly i seek fellowship and thats why i ask questions. Some questions i ask have no good answer that i have seen so far, but i like to stay plugged into fellowship. I like to meditate on Gods Word and questions come up. 

 

Psalms 1 Blessed is the man
Who walks not in the counsel of the [a]ungodly,
Nor stands in the path of sinners,
Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord,
And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 He shall be like a tree
Planted by the [c]rivers of water,
That brings forth its fruit in its season,
Whose leaf also shall not wither;
And whatever he does shall prosper

Edited May 9, 2021 by Whyme

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Why then did that statement of fact cause such an almost instantaneous disruption? 

Because it is acute.

[Whyme]

2 minutes ago, Josheb said:

I hesitate to ask because it drifts further afield of the op but am I to understand those to statements to mean an acknowledgement of possible benefit that is willfully denied or ignored? I could benefit but I do not benefit? I don't benefit but I could? 

Is that what you want me and everyone else to understand?

If not then 1) clarify it, and 2) clarify it op-relevantly so that it pertains to the intellect and the need for intellectuals. Everything else is off-topic from the op. 

You edited my post to exclude the word "if". If i needed that, but i dont need that.

[Guest clancy]

13 minutes ago, Whyme said:

A teacher cant see into your heart or put wisdom there. It cant discern the heart as the Word does. That's why James says to ask God for wisdom. Only God can write on our heart.

 

When I was a new babe, I joined a church, they did a lot of damage to me, I’m not going into detail, it was just God and I for the next 23 yrs...

I rely solely on God at that time, 2 yrs ago,I believe he wanted me to join a church,I was very hesitant ,but listened to his leading and joined one, I was there a few months then covid broke out, we now have zoom on FB, which I join on a Sunday....I only listen to God and obviously the pastor who I believe is from God.....man can tell you to do this and that...but the Lord is the number one who I listen to..I have been walking with him for 30 yrs...he watches over me and leads me...listening to others can be a good thing...but it can also be a bad thing..test the Spirits.

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, Josheb said:

lol! "Acute" or astute  (or both). 

Yup--but I meant 'pointed', but I thought that word may have been misconstrued as being a point rather than pointed, so I chose acute instead. I meant what I said and said what I meant. Pointedly.

:-)

[BeyondET]

16 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Some questions i ask have no good answer that i have seen so far, but i like to stay plugged into fellowship. 

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