Intellectualism

[Whyme]

11 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Great, but that is not quite what is being asked of you. What is being asked of you is the matter of "only," or "alone," as in I need only the Bible and the Spirit only. I need only the Bible and the Spirit alone. Neither I nor anyone else is asking you about any other position or practice. 

 

If it is true that you hold the belief that only the Bible and the Spirit are all that is needed then can you understand how the following statement is contradictory?

Can you see the conflict between the stated position and the statement just made? 

 

I know you don't like it when I make these sort of observations and ask these kinds of questions so start small. Just answer the question asked. We can build from there no matter the answer as long as the question asked is answered. 

 

Can you see the conflict between the position all that is needed is the Bible and the Spirit but fellowship is sought....?

There is no conflict, i seek fellowship in the Spirit. God teaches me everything i need to know. I know others agree with me, i hear it in their words, they know what i mean. You want to point out contradictions but its really just strife brother. Did John contradict himself when he said his flock needed no man to teach them? No, he knew they had the truth in them and false teachers would only lead them astray. I have the truth as well, and RCC, SDA, Lutherism, Calvinism, WOF prosperity preachers, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, baptist, MJ, or whoever is only a stumbling block in my path. All things are mine, i have Paul, Peter, James, John, and Jude. Mathew Mark Luke and John. I have Gods Spirit teacher inside me. Do you know Him?

Edited May 9, 2021 by Whyme

[Whyme]

12 minutes ago, clancy said:

When I was a new babe, I joined a church, they did a lot of damage to me, I’m not going into detail, it was just God and I for the next 23 yrs...

I rely solely on God at that time, 2 yrs ago,I believe he wanted me to join a church,I was very hesitant ,but listened to his leading and joined one, I was there a few months then covid broke out, we now have zoom on FB, which I join on a Sunday....I only listen to God and obviously the pastor who I believe is from God.....man can tell you to do this and that...but the Lord is the number one who I listen to..I have been walking with him for 30 yrs...he watches over me and leads me...listening to others can be a good thing...but it can also be a bad thing..test the Spirits.

I agree. I have social anxiety so i didnt attend church for many years. I actually had to get on medication just to work. I relied on God alone because Hes all i had. I try, in my own way, to share that. I resist teachers because i have seen all the divisive denominational theology. Who needs that? Just give me a scripture and a prayer, God will do the rest.

[Guest clancy]

6 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Without going into details.....

• Were good and valid lessons learned from the experience? 
• In hindsight and greater maturity, to what degree is the experience considered a matter of Providence?
• Is Romans 8:28 relevant and applicable?

Those answers pay valuably into the op-topic.

Indeed, very much so, that is why I was called to go back to church, He is about to finish what he started...,long story, I am now in line with His Will, not the will of man or woman.

 

It taught me to be very ,very wary who I listen to, and only to listen to Him, he leads me in everything, and I listen only to him...and the teachings of the pastor, which is in line with his word....

[Alive]

6 minutes ago, Whyme said:

I agree. I have social anxiety so i didnt attend church for many years. I actually had to get on medication just to work. I relied on God alone because Hes all i had. I try, in my own way, to share that. I resist teachers because i have seen all the divisive denominational theology. Who needs that? Just give me a scripture and a prayer, God will do the rest.

Brother--you may not realize it, but you are learning something through folks here at the forum. Do you believe this statement?

[Heleadethme]

13 hours ago, Josheb said:

When Solomon was offered anything he desired he asked for wisdom and knowledge

Yep, and then the wisdom that he received taught him this: 

Ecc 12:12

And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.  

True knowledge and wisdom leads us to God in Christ....knowing Him and knowing what matters to Him and what doesn't.   That is the wisdom and knowledge the Lord wants us to treasure and pursue.  It's not the wisdom of the world and flesh since we haven't received the spirit of the world.  

 

[Guest clancy]

14 minutes ago, Whyme said:

I agree. I have social anxiety so i didnt attend church for many years. I actually had to get on medication just to work. I relied on God alone because Hes all i had. I try, in my own way, to share that. I resist teachers because i have seen all the divisive denominational theology. Who needs that? Just give me a scripture and a prayer, God will do the rest.

You don’t have to go to church Whyme, only if God prompts you to and he will, he is in control of every situation, I had a pastor many yrs ago who said you must do this and you must do that...I left after 3 yrs, because it made me ill, I rested in God Who I believe took me out of that church, I have matured in God I believe, I test everything that Christians say, as soon as I start hearing foreign stuff to me,I zone out..always look to God Whyme...

 

 

Edited May 9, 2021 by clancy

[Whyme]

Just now, Alive said:

Brother--you may not realize it, but you are learning something through folks here at the forum. Do you believe this statement?

What is there to learn? I see people arguing over the same old arguments but never resolving them. What can we learn from that?

[Alive]

1 minute ago, Whyme said:

What is there to learn? I see people arguing over the same old arguments but never resolving them. What can we learn from that?

Have you read the two links in my signature? If not, please do so and then tell me if there is anything to learn there of value. If you have read them, can you tell me you learned nothing?

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, Whyme said:

A real teacher points you to Christ not themselves. What did Paul say? Imitate me because i imitate Christ. They are happy to see someone who doesn't need them anymore, who is not like a new born babe needing milk. See John, he was happy that his flock "walked in the truth". They are happy to see a mature student who learned to follow Christ in the grace of God. What are we? Babies who need a teacher for the rest of our lives? People see Paul calling himself a father and they think they need a father. But Paul called himself a father to the Corinthians because he could not address them as spiritual people, but rather babes in Christ. Is not the point of a student to become like their teacher? If the student doesnt grow up the teaching must be flawed. Perhaps because it puts too much emphasis on following men rather than the Lord.

Isa 28:9

Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

[Whyme]

7 minutes ago, Alive said:

Have you read the two links in my signature? If not, please do so and then tell me if there is anything to learn there of value. If you have read them, can you tell me you learned nothing?

I read the cross a history lesson. No i dont feel i learned anything. You must understand, im past learning, I'm in the doing phase now. I need to pray and work on that. I know what God wants of me, and may He help me.

Edited May 9, 2021 by Whyme