Is Jesus God?

[Whyme]

Jesus is the Word, correct? So this scripture is saying Jesus is God? I can see God becoming a man, i can see Him being a Spirit, but i cant understand how Jesus and the Father are both in heaven if they are the same person. Obviously Jesus is not God but God's son, right? Im a bit confused. 

 

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[appy]

3 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Jesus is the Word, correct? So this scripture is saying Jesus is God? I can see God becoming a man, i can see Him being a Spirit, but i cant understand how Jesus and the Father are both in heaven if they are the same person. Obviously Jesus is not God but God's son, right? Im a bit confused. 

 

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

Regarding the topic of Jesus being fully God and fully man at the same time.

Jesus when speaking to the religious leaders, didn't say... he used to be God, but for now, he's man, and then he would be God again. No, Jesus claimed to be God standing right in front of them. They could not wrap their minds around the idea that He was God among them. If Jesus made the claim that he was only a mere human with no divinity standing in front of them, it would not have carried any weight. But in reality, Jesus DID claim to be God in the flesh and that carried weight. So much weight that the religious leaders condemned him to death. For they found His claim to be offensive and a scandal.

Jesus had to be fully human because God's justice, requires that the same human nature which has sinned should pay for sin. Jesus also had to be fully God at the same time, because humanity can not bear the weight of God's penalty and anger. There is no way that a mere human could fully satisfy God's wrath. For God's wrath is infinite in nature and quality. Only Jesus as God could bring a sacrifice of infinite and eternal value to God that he would appease heaven’s wrath. By merit of his divine nature, he is able to earn for us eternal life and favor with God. The divinity of Christ means that he is able to be raised from the dead (after conquering it) and therefore apply the benefits he has earned for us. He is God and also man through the whole process, from start to finish.

[Whyme]

6 minutes ago, appy said:

 

Regarding the topic of Jesus being fully God and fully man at the same time.

Jesus when speaking to the religious leaders, didn't say... he used to be God, but for now, he's man, and then he would be God again. No, Jesus claimed to be God standing right in front of them. They could not wrap their minds around the idea that He was God among them. If Jesus made the claim that he was only a mere human with no divinity standing in front of them, it would not have carried any weight. But in reality, Jesus DID claim to be God in the flesh and that carried weight. So much weight that the religious leaders condemned him to death. For they found His claim to be offensive and a scandal.

Jesus had to be fully human because God's justice, requires that the same human nature which has sinned should pay for sin. Jesus also had to be fully God at the same time, because humanity can not bear the weight of God's penalty and anger. There is no way that a mere human could fully satisfy God's wrath. For God's wrath is infinite in nature and quality. Only Jesus as God could bring a sacrifice of infinite and eternal value to God that he would appease heaven’s wrath. By merit of his divine nature, he is able to earn for us eternal life and favor with God. The divinity of Christ means that he is able to be raised from the dead (after conquering it) and therefore apply the benefits he has earned for us. He is God and also man through the whole process, from start to finish.

Yes thank you. As i said i can understand God becoming a man. But how can Jesus and the Father be the same person if both are in heaven together? 

Edited May 7, 2021 by Whyme

[BeyondET]

hard to explain fully like metamorphosis lol, in another thread a posted below a process that may shed light.

Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

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Psalm 18

11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.

Genesis 1

2 Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

The First day

3 And God said, “Let there be light,”and there was light.

 4 And God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.”

Edited May 7, 2021 by BeyondET

[Hopefully]

“No one can see God, but the Son is exactly like God. He rules over everything that has been made. Through his power all things were made: things in heaven and on earth, seen and not seen— all spiritual rulers, lords, powers, and authorities. Everything was made through him and for him.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:15-16‬ ‭
 

“Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need.” Jesus answered, “Philip, I have been with you for a long time. So you should know me. Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father too. So why do you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The things I have told you don’t come from me. The Father lives in me, and he is doing his own work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or believe because of the miracles I have done.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:8-11‬ ‭

“Whoever does not believe in the Son does not have the Father, but whoever accepts the Son has the Father too.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:23‬ ‭
 

 

 

[appy]

11 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Yes thank you. As i said i can understand God becoming a man. But how can Jesus and the Father be the same person if both are in heaven together? 

Maybe not a perfect analogy, but consider that a married couple are two persons, but one whole. Or as someone else has posted, that a person can be a dad, The same person is a father to someone. He can also be that person's uncle, if he is also a brother.

The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

The bible teaches that there is only one God. God is in heaven and man is on earth so our understanding of him and all he is. . .is limited. No matter how smart we humans are; we can never fully understand it because we are earthly humans who are talking about heavenly things.

Colossians 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form. This is to mean and say Jesus is fully man and fully God at the same time. God is a trinity of persons consisting of one substance and one essence but only ONE God.

[Your closest friendnt]

8 hours ago, appy said:

 

Regarding the topic of Jesus being fully God and fully man at the same time.

Jesus when speaking to the religious leaders, didn't say... he used to be God, but for now, he's man, and then he would be God again. No, Jesus claimed to be God standing right in front of them. They could not wrap their minds around the idea that He was God among them. If Jesus made the claim that he was only a mere human with no divinity standing in front of them, it would not have carried any weight. But in reality, Jesus DID claim to be God in the flesh and that carried weight. So much weight that the religious leaders condemned him to death. For they found His claim to be offensive and a scandal.

Jesus had to be fully human because God's justice, requires that the same human nature which has sinned should pay for sin. Jesus also had to be fully God at the same time, because humanity can not bear the weight of God's penalty and anger. There is no way that a mere human could fully satisfy God's wrath. For God's wrath is infinite in nature and quality. Only Jesus as God could bring a sacrifice of infinite and eternal value to God that he would appease heaven’s wrath. By merit of his divine nature, he is able to earn for us eternal life and favor with God. The divinity of Christ means that he is able to be raised from the dead (after conquering it) and therefore apply the benefits he has earned for us. He is God and also man through the whole process, from start to finish.

The Heavenly Father is not the God of Abraham 

[BeyondET]

26 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The Heavenly Father is not the God of Abraham 

Amram was the father of Moses, why wouldn’t God be of Abraham?

[BeyondET]

Exodus 3

15 God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

Acts 2
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.”

Edited May 8, 2021 by BeyondET

[Who me]

8 hours ago, Whyme said:

Obviously Jesus is not God but God's son, right? Im a bit confused. 

You are talking about the trinity. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

The best answer I can give is to suggest you go to the reasonablefaith web site and type in the search box 532 Jesus God , for an article on the Christian doctrine of the trinity explained to a Muslim.