Rev 12, A Brief History of Israel 63 BC - 1967

[Revelation Man]

9 hours ago, abcdef said:

So.... Jesus being born and Herod trying to kill Jesus as a child is future?

The Jesus being caught up to heaven is future?

The Roman dragon beast chases Israel into the wilderness of the gentile nations, future?

No, History.

The Prophecy is about Israel FLEEING into the wilderness, the first 5 verses is THE CODE to who the players are. The Players are being spoken about in context with the 70th week.

[Guest kingdombrat]

14 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

 

Because it has to do with the complete Revelation for future when the possibly Roman antichrist will try to kill the Jews at the 2nd half of great tribulation.

 

The post before this one explains the TRUE meaning behind the idealism you're trying to convey, which is incorrect.

[Guest kingdombrat]

16 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

The woman symbolizes Israel. Genesis 37 tells us Joseph, Jacob's favored son, had a dream in which Jacob's other sons and his parents bowed down to him. When he told his father Jacob about the dream, his father immediately applied the imagery. The sun and moon were Joseph's father and mother, Jacob—also named Israel—and Rachel. Joseph's brothers were the eleven stars.

 

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16 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

The woman symbolizes Israel. Genesis 37 tells us Joseph, Jacob's favored son, had a dream in which Jacob's other sons and his parents bowed down to him. When he told his father Jacob about the dream, his father immediately applied the imagery. The sun and moon were Joseph's father and mother, Jacob—also named Israel—and Rachel. Joseph's brothers were the eleven stars.

Yes, but understand that the fleeing in Rev 12:6 is the 70 AD fleeing and not future, and that the time of the 70 AD fleeing ended in 1967 when Jerusalem was restored to the military control of Israel.

Rev 12:7-17, basically repeats the story with different details.

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 minute ago, abcdef said:

Yes, but understand that the fleeing in Rev 12:6 is the 70 AD fleeing and not future, and that the time of the 70 AD fleeing ended in 1967 when Jerusalem was restored to the military control of Israel.

Rev 12:7-17, basically repeats the story with different details.

No, the Bible always repeats itself!

This is repeating from Joseph's Prophetic Dream!

It has nothing to do with as you're suggesting.

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14 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Because it has to do with the complete Revelation for future when the possibly Roman antichrist will try to kill the Jews at the 2nd half of great tribulation

The Roman Antichrist Caesar and the Bishop of Rome have been killing Israel for the last 2000 years. (continual)

The great trouble/tribulation period is part of the time of the 4th beast nation of Dan. 7 and the iron nation of Dan. 2. (continual nations with power over the people of Israel)

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But 70 AD- 1967, is the second 3 1/2 times, not a future 3 1/2 literal years.

The first 3 1/2 times is from Babylon until the great scattering of 70 AD, Dan. 12:7.

The second 3 1/2 times is from 70 AD until 1967 when Israel was restored to control of Jerusalem.

Together they represent the same time period as the statue of Dan. 2 which has now come to an end.

The 42 months and 1260 days in the Revelation are symbolic of the second part of the statue.

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14 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

You stated " until 1967, when the people of Israel took control over the city of Jerusalem again, the faithful woman returns."

Uh, " faithful woman "?  The Christ rejecting nation of Israel? The nation prophesied by Jesus Himself that it would never bear  (spiritual) fruit again? That Israel? 

The faithful woman kingdom of Israel that fled into the wilderness of the gentile nations.

How many souls of Israel, were in the Pentecost gospel kingdom of Israel, before the gentiles were allowed to enter?

The gentiles were only allowed in years after the kingdom began on Pentecost.

So there were thousands and thousands of faithful from Israel in the kingdom and were the majority in the kingdom for a long time.

It is this group of faithful Israel that fled into the wilderness.

The gentile members of the kingdom of Israel are shown in Rev 12:17 as the remnant of her seed.

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13 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Prophecy is about Israel FLEEING into the wilderness,

Yes, it shows the people of Israel fleeing the Roman dragon nation.

But, it is the 70 AD fleeing and not future. The time of being in the gentile nations has ended.

 

13 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

the first 5 verses is THE CODE to who the players are.

1. The faithful woman, the people of Israel.

2. The Dragon with seven heads and ten horns, the Roman Empire at the time of Jesus.

3. The manchild, Jesus.

4. God and His throne.

5. The wilderness, the gentile nations.

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63 BC., The Roman dragon nation invades Israel. The iron of the statue in Dan. 2, begins and continues without a gap in the timeline.

1 AD ish, Jesus is born and the Roman Herod tries to kill Jesus while a child, proving that the dragon is Rome.

33 AD, Jesus caught up to the throne of God.

70 AD, The great scattering begins.

1967, Israel controls the city of Jerusalem ending the time in the gentile wilderness.

 

13 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Players are being spoken about in context with the 70th week.

The timeline of Dan. 9:24-27, the seventy weeks, was completed without any gaps in 37 AD.

Jesus began His ministry in 30 AD, at the beginning of the 70th week.

He confirmed the covenant with Israel by His death, resurrection, and the arrival of the new covenant kingdom on the day of Pentecost.

The confirmed covenant ended when Israel rejected the Pentecost covenant and the gentiles were allowed in.

Jesus confirmed the covenant before God, Gal 3:17. 

 

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1 hour ago, kingdombrat said:

No, the Bible always repeats itself!

This is repeating from Joseph's Prophetic Dream!

It has nothing to do with as you're suggesting.

You will have to explain a little more about what you mean.

 

[Guest kingdombrat]

3 minutes ago, abcdef said:

You will have to explain a little more about what you mean.

 

I should ask before answering your post, are you claiming 70 A.D. kicked off certain events, or fulfilled certain portions of Matthew 24?   Are you blending Revelation 12 to some Scripture from Matthew 24?