Can You REJECT The Holy Spirit After Receiving Him At Salvation?

[Your closest friendnt]

5 hours ago, OneLight said:

Another OSAS thread ... great, as if there were not enough division on this site.

Is that what the brother wanted to discuss? 

Or he wanted to discuss divisions. 

They are both good and hot subjects and knowledge and understanding do not remain stable, perhaps he has something to say that we did not hear before. 

Or another brother may come and say something we did not hear before. 

How about if Jesus asked him to start this thread, and only he knows why? 

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Maybe I dare to say that the Lord sent him with his message because he wants him to enlarge his understanding in these matter. 

We have to wait and see. 

[Your closest friendnt]

18 minutes ago, Scott Free said:

I apologize, this is meant to be an introduction to the video. A video I did not adequately point out in the link.

You look quite a reasonable brother and well spoken. 

There is something that I may say and I do not have anything to say about the use of videos.

Personally and without prejudice and pre-Judging I prefer to have a conversation with someone at hand.

That's why I asked what do you want to make clear about, so we can have a discussion without prejudice. 

Hope you feel comfortable and if you do not at this moment you are gonna have to start at some point, and this is your opportunity to start now, this way the gifts the Holy Spirit has put in you will grow and multiply. 

[OneLight]

20 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Is that what the brother wanted to discuss? 

Or he wanted to discuss divisions. 

They are both good and hot subjects and knowledge and understanding do not remain stable, perhaps he has something to say that we did not hear before. 

Or another brother may come and say something we did not hear before. 

How about if Jesus asked him to start this thread, and only he knows why? 

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Maybe I dare to say that the Lord sent him with his message because he wants him to enlarge his understanding in these matter. 

We have to wait and see. 

Read the thread ... that is the way this is headed.

[Your closest friendnt]

1 minute ago, OneLight said:

Read the thread ... that is the way this is headed.

You are quick to see that not me. 

I am not sure how he is going to do it and what side he takes or maybe he may want to decide on that after he has heard from more brothers.  Thanks for the response. 

 

[Michael37]

6 hours ago, Scott Free said:

This work focuses on God's point of view and by extension reality. The topic of the scripture you stated is about the difficulty of humans perceiving others accurately. What was manifested in those who went from them in 1 John 2:19? I am assuming they fell to idol worship and not a projection of whatever I would degree with.

@Scott Free I like the way you mention God's point of view and the reality it extends.

Apostasy is literally the moving away from a position, and it is both a possibility and a reality that those who once received the Word of God with joy, were enlightened and learned by experience the gift of God to the world in the giving of His Son Jesus to redeem sinners, understood the position of those in Christ who are redeemed and partook of the Holy Spirit, can fall away.

This truth is not to be conflated with the argument that they were never genuinely converted, but rather is to serve as a warning against letting the Gospel slip and treating its great salvation with negligence. 

Warning Against Neglecting Salvation
Heb 2:1  Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. 
Heb 2:2  For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; 
Heb 2:3  How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 
Heb 2:4  God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? 

Heb 3:1-6  Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;  (2)  Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.  (3)  For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who has buildt the house has more honour than the house.  (4)  For every house is buildt by some man; but he that built all things is God.  (5)  And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;  (6)  But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

[OneLight]

40 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You are quick to see that not me. 

I am not sure how he is going to do it and what side he takes or maybe he may want to decide on that after he has heard from more brothers.  Thanks for the response. 

 

To me, the title is a giveaway.  It is an opening for those who do not believe you can walk away from salvation, so they will answer no, you cannot reject the Holy Spirit after salvation, and then there are those who believe that after salvation someone can walk away from Christ if they chose to, rejecting the Holy Spirit and His salvation.  I don't see any other options to the discussion.

Edited May 27, 2021 by OneLight
grammer error

[Scott Free]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

those in Christ who are redeemed and partook of the Holy Spirit, can fall away.

The first scripture are not referring to the lose of salvation. I agree with what you are saying, who wants to be one of these poor souls. "But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames." 1 Corinthians 3:14-15

The last scripture proves the point that the lose of hope and faith is the real danger to eternal life.

Edited May 27, 2021 by Scott Free

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

To me, the title is a giveaway.  It is an opening for those who do not believe you can walk away from salvation, so they will answer no, you cannot reject the Holy Spirit after salvation, and then there are those who believe that after salvation someone can walk away from Christ if they chose to, rejecting the Holy Spirit and His salvation.  I don't see any other options to the discussion.

Thank you, I will study those points. 

God bless 

[Michael37]

7 hours ago, Scott Free said:

The first scripture are not referring to the lose of salvation. I agree with what you are saying, who wants to be one of these poor souls. "But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames." 1 Corinthians 3:14-15

The last scripture proves the point that the lose of hope and faith is the real danger to eternal life.

I like the comparison between OT and NT woven through all of the epistle to Hebrews. In this case the examples of the giving of the Law to Moses and the teachings of Christ in person are in view.

Heb 2:1-4  Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.  (2)  For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;  (3)  How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;  (4)  God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

[Your closest friendnt]

4 hours ago, Michael37 said:

I like the comparison between OT and NT woven through all of the epistle to Hebrews. In this case the examples of the giving of the Law to Moses and the teachings of Christ in person are in view.

Heb 2:1-4  Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.  (2)  For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;  (3)  How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;  (4)  God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Hebrews 2:3 

"How shall we escape",

This is a tricky question.

Is the speaker and his audience in some situation that they need to escape from? 

Because he said: how shall we escape?